82SiouxGuy
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19 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
I don't disagree with you and I completely see where the fundraisers were coming from. There is obviously a sunk cost for UND whether those students are there or not however what that is becomes very hard to quantify. I would guess this is the exact sticking point that caused the impasse, there isn't a way to quantify it, so they don't. Even if they were able to, I'd guess it would be a much smaller than they were hoping for because there is a cost on the academic side.
Just running quick math, a ballpark on tuition paid by the 29 baseball players would be around $294K (3 in-state, 12 Minnesota, 13 Contiguous/MSEP/WUE, and 1 non-resident) before $105K in athletic aid. The athletic aid likely includes some room/board/other, but ignoring that for simplicity's sake, you're left with a net of about ~$189K loss of tuition.
The other question in this area is how many of those students would come to school without playing baseball and are only playing baseball because it is available. I have known several students in the past that would have attended UND with or without the sport they played (baseball, track, swimming). Having the sport available to them was a bonus. This number may have gone down with the move to Division I, but I'm sure that there are still some of those in many of the lower funded sports.
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4 hours ago, farce poobah said:
Back in the day, we consumed many a beer arguing over who was downright scariest - Craig Ludwig, Howard Walker or Mickey Volcan.
I thought Volcan hit the hardest, especially for his size. Ludwig was relentless and would drop in front of any shot. Howard Walker was the scariest to look at. He often looked like a man amongst boys.
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1 minute ago, GeauxSioux said:
Mickey Volcan did the one year stint the same year that Kevin Maxwell did. I remember a game where Volcan was on the blue line and a Gopher player tried to enter the zone with the puck. Volcan flattened him. The crowd went nuts.
One of the best open ice hits I've ever seen.
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12 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:
How many afternoon games has Wisconsin played vs night games? That would be more interesting to me to know instead of just comparing non Friday and Saturday games.
This past season they had 2. One at Michigan State in December. One looks like an exhibition game against Trinity Western on New Year's Day. They also had a few games played in the Eastern Time Zone that started at 5 or 5:30 Central Time.
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1 hour ago, dakotadan said:
No, it's not discrimination. Males are "technically" covered by Title IX too. If the school has a 50/50 ratio but offers 51% of their sports scholarships to females a male student could take them to court for not following Title IX.
I doubt that a 1% difference either way is going to make a difference. Those numbers fluctuate from year to year, even from semester to semester. The test would be a significant under representation consistently over time. NDSU's ratio of male athletes to female athletes compared to the ratio in the student body is an example that could be a red flag to authorities. It hasn't been found to be a problem yet, but that doesn't mean it won't become one. I don't believe there are any Title IX cops looking for problems. Most Title IX cases come when someone, often students, file formal complaints. All it takes is one complaint to cause a huge problem.
You are right about it covering males and females. The other thing that most people don't realize is that Title IX doesn't just cover athletics or dollars spent on athletics. Title IX was meant to make sure that people get equivalent opportunities across the board in higher education. It protects against sexual discrimination. It protects against sexual harassment. Schools can't tell pregnant students they can't come to class, or that they have to take specific classes because they are pregnant. Schools can't discourage girls from taking STEM programs, or boys from going into nursing or elementary education. Title IX is much bigger than athletics,
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4 hours ago, UNDColorado said:
Your sarcasm isn't appreciated or necessary. I hope you have a better day.
A little touchy? It wasn't meant as sarcasm. Most Associate Conference Commissioners are pretty anonymous, so I was trying to point out that there were probably very few people that knew anything about her. About the only things that people would know would be what was on the web site. And that even fewer would be able to tell you if it was a good thing.
Also, using sarcasm has nothing to do with people are having a good day or not.
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6 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:
Is this a good thing? I have never heard of her.
Have you heard of a lot of Associate Conference Commissioners? I doubt that most people have, other than perhaps the conference they follow most.
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10 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
What I heard at the beginning of the new Ralph Engelstad Building was, that UND maintained ownership of the land and a Corporation was to own the improvements on the land - manage the property - house the hockey team - along with additional agreements with UND, Ralph would build it, and in 30 years UND would own the improvements on the land, the Corporation would be dissolved. Can't prove that, buy I'd think if you went to court house and looked up who owned land, it'd be UND/State of ND, agreements with the building and UND must be available somewhere?
You are correct. UND owns the land. A nonprofit corporation was set up to own and run the buildings until they are turned over to UND.
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1 hour ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:
I would love to be in the same conference as UMN to reconnect the best rivalry in college hockey but not if it means going to the BIG10. I feel like we'd be giving up 5 good/developing rivalries with UMD, DU, Miami, SCSU, and UNO to gain 1 great rivalry in UMN. It's the same issue UMN is currently facing in the BIG, our fans would not be very excited about playing MSU, PSU, and OSU four times each year.
For much of college hockey history, UND's top rivals have been Minnesota and Wisconsin. Michigan, and even Michigan State were also long time rivals when they played in the WCHA (many younger posters may not even realize that). UND was recognized as being part of the top level of college hockey when they first beat Michigan more than 65 years ago. Denver, and to a lesser extent Duluth, have been strong opponents off and on over the years. St Cloud only has about 20 years of history playing in DI. Omaha has less. And Miami has only recently become a regular opponent.
Most of the Big 10 programs are going to regain their strength, and they will be major players in college hockey. Personally I would rather be in a conference with major rivals than build rivalries with schools like Omaha and St Cloud. I just can't get as excited about playing those schools as playing Minnesota and Wisconsin. I would hope that UND could stay associated with Denver and Duluth in some way. Of course none of this discussion really makes much difference because the chances of the Big 10 trying to add UND is very, very small.
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2 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:
Strange how Lacrosse bumps College hockey on ESPN when you say college hockey has "better" TV ratings and bring in more revenue...
Lacrosse didn't bump college hockey because they thought lacrosse was more appealing. Almost every broadcast entity will finish broadcasting the end of 1 game before switching to the beginning of another game, no matter what the sport. The end of the game is the most important part of the game. That has been the policy going back to the Heidi football game in the 1960's. Sometimes they can push the start time back for the next game, but the network is almost always going to keep showing a game until it ends. They try to leave time between games, but overtime or slow moving games sometimes go longer than planned.
One exception is the NFL policy. They allow the networks to go to the start of an NFL game in limited home markets. For instance, if Fox is showing a double header on Sunday afternoon, and the Vikings are playing in the second game, the Vikings home region would go to the start of the Vikings game while all other viewers would stay with the first game.
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1 hour ago, siouxkid12 said:
John Hopkins is an affiliated member in Lacrosse and they do not receive any money from the B10 network.
23 hours ago, 82SiouxGuy said:Just because that is the way they have done things doesn't mean they couldn't do something different in this case. Adding UND would definitely add revenue in at least some of the Big 10 markets. The same probably can't be said about adding a school for track, or a school like Johns Hopkins for lacrosse (I'm pretty sure that Johns Hopkins is currently the only affiliate member and lacrosse isn't a huge TV money maker in most Big 10 markets). If a school is going to add to the bottom line they deserve to participate in some way.
I'm sure that they will look at going in house when the current contract is up, but with the current financial conditions I don't see it happening. There would be a lot of start up expense buying equipment, and they would have to add at least a few full time employees plus a bunch of part time employees to handle the game broadcasts. They appear to be moving away from that model when they announce that Paul Ralston and Tim Hennessy will no longer be UND employees and that Learfield Sports will be handling the radio broadcasting. If UND were to join the Big 10, the network would only broadcast some of the games. UND would probably be free to find another outlet for the rest of the games, whether that was in house or a provider like Midco.
I addressed your comment a day ago. It is very doubtful that adding Johns Hopkins for lacrosse added a great deal to the bottom line for the Big 10 Network. Lacrosse doesn't get big ratings in regular Big 10 markets. Many of those markets have more interest in hockey. Adding UND to the conference for hockey could add more to the bottom line for the network than adding Johns Hopkins for lacrosse. Therefore, it makes more sense that UND would get a share in those dollars. I'm pretty sure that UND would want that share to become a member.
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The colors pink and green, which remain the University's official colors, were chosen by the student body in 1889 when planning for UND's first commencement exercises. The choice was inspired by the pink and green of the prairie rose, North Dakota's official state flower, and "suggestive of our green prairies and rosy prospects." The official athletic colors became green and white when it was determined that green and pink would not elicit a proper measure of respect from UND's opponents. In practice, the green and white is expressed in several different shades of green and the occasional substitution of gray or black for white.
For a decade before 1917, there was a considerable movement to discard the pink and green for the more conventional and "masculine" colors of black and gold. In fact, from 1909 until 1917 UND President Frank L. McVey unofficially adopted the new colors, which would no doubt have become permanent, had it not been for protests from students and influential alumni.
https://und.edu/student-affairs/code-of-student-life/sealofuniversity.cfm
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49 minutes ago, nodakgirl93 said:
Well that's stupid the university doesn't deserve it. Assuming the same will go for the Betty?
The only reason UND doesn't own it already is because the North Dakota Legislators wouldn't accept the gift until it was proven it could support itself rather than suck money. Ralph Engelstad believed that UND deserved it.
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39 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
Devil's Advocate time:
If Shanks is doing that is giving fuel to the anti-FCOA crowd. They'll say it's a sign that the athletes don't need it.
32 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:Well...they don't. They haven't had it up to this point...
If a single athlete, or even a few, does something like this it doesn't prove a thing. If a significant number did it they may be right. But lawsuits against the NCAA by athletes who don't believe they are getting enough money is what has driven the FCOA topic. A lot of people argue that the NCAA and the schools are making huge money off the kids, and that the kids deserve more. The argument has been more about who deserves what versus whether athletes need it.
As far as whether they need it or not, some do and some don't. If an athlete comes from a family that has money they may not need it. Some of these kids are barely scraping by. FCOA is huge for them. Just because they haven't had it before doesn't mean they don't need it.
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8 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2015/10/is_there_anything_the_big_ten_can_do_to_help_rutge.html
I read somewhere (I'll have to dig back and see if I can find the article) that non affiliated schools do not receive any money from the B10 network, they would share tournaments dollars but that's about it. I have included another link on how the B10 pays the new membership schools a small percentage until they are fully transitioned into the new conference (6 full years).In all reality, UND should take their production in-house and sell the rights to a broad spectrum of cable providers.
Just because that is the way they have done things doesn't mean they couldn't do something different in this case. Adding UND would definitely add revenue in at least some of the Big 10 markets. The same probably can't be said about adding a school for track, or a school like Johns Hopkins for lacrosse (I'm pretty sure that Johns Hopkins is currently the only affiliate member and lacrosse isn't a huge TV money maker in most Big 10 markets). If a school is going to add to the bottom line they deserve to participate in some way.
I'm sure that they will look at going in house when the current contract is up, but with the current financial conditions I don't see it happening. There would be a lot of start up expense buying equipment, and they would have to add at least a few full time employees plus a bunch of part time employees to handle the game broadcasts. They appear to be moving away from that model when they announce that Paul Ralston and Tim Hennessy will no longer be UND employees and that Learfield Sports will be handling the radio broadcasting. If UND were to join the Big 10, the network would only broadcast some of the games. UND would probably be free to find another outlet for the rest of the games, whether that was in house or a provider like Midco.
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1 hour ago, chicofelipe said:
It is a bit of a stretch to include everybody in those two counties as part of the Grand Forks Metro area.
2 minutes ago, chicofelipe said:McVille is not Metro Grand Forks. Grafton is not Metro Grand Forks.
McVille is in Nelson County. Grafton is in Walsh County. The definition of Metropolitan area includes the entire county of the city or cities included. So Larimore and Crookston would be included in the Grand Forks Metro area.
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5 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:
We've gone over this, UND would be an invite only school and would not receive any revenue from the B10 network. So their only other option would be to split the revenue from the B10 tournament and why would UND want to share that when it would be majority of their fans showing up to begin with.
Sorry, but no one knows whether the Big 10 would offer money from the network or not. UND wouldn't get a full share, because they wouldn't be a full member. But until a negotiation was started it isn't possible to say what they would offer UND. Even a hockey only share of the network funds might be significant to UND, and wouldn't be missed by the rest of the conference. It could add up to more than the Midco contract.
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21 minutes ago, nodakgirl93 said:
With the budget cuts I don't think the University has the money to purchase the arena anyway
. It's privately owned and it will stay that way.
It is owned by a trust, and located on land owned by UND. The plan was to turn the facility over UND after 30 years. We are half way through that 30 year period. Things like the ability to sell alcohol may change the plan if that is better for UND. But UND will not have to purchase the arena.
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1 hour ago, chicofelipe said:
Could have swore I saw a For Lease sign when I was at the U18 tournament.
The people that own the building would probably love to have a full time tenant if Albatross is only open part of the year.
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4 hours ago, northernraider said:
Padron Chile has now closed in Grand Forks after being open for less than a year. I admit being late eating there, but really enjoyed my visit a few weeks ago. Any takers on opening a Vinyl Taco type of establishment?
It was open less than 6 months. It must have been failing spectacularly to close in less than 6 months.
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5 hours ago, chicofelipe said:
A better lawyer writing the contract. That is what prevents KFGO from breaking the contract. Negotiating very large termination fees.
Of course they would have to agree to sign that contract.
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47 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:
Not all space is created equally. Seems like many are assuming that the old med school represents thousands of useable, Class A, move-in ready, square footage, but I wonder if that's really the case. It's an old building that has been significantly repurposed at least once. And the retrofitting costs could be enormous. There's a reason (or $130MM reasons) the med school wanted out, I reckon, and it probably had nothing to do with the old building's mint condition.
Does the administration need cadaver storage or a fume hood? Wait...don't answer that.
At least part of the problem for the Med School was that they were being asked to increase the number of students, and they were already out of space. Some of the labs were being scheduled at almost twice their capacity. And the state wanted them to increase classes by 24% to make more doctors available in the state. They needed either a large addition, plus an upgrade in technology for the old school, or needed to replace it. The state legislature chose the new option as the best overall.
A lot of the space in the old Med School building has been remodeled in the past 10 or 15 years. It has office space and classroom space. It is a 60 year old building, but it is more than serviceable for a wide variety of programs, and will be an upgrade for many from their current homes.
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2 minutes ago, nodakhoops said:
I know Duke or Kansas aren't coming for BBall I was just saying REA probably would've gotten better return on something like that vs. this tourney.
As for keeping REA on the worldwide hockey map I have seen more comments from writers about poor attendance and pictures of empty seats on websites than anything else about this tourney so I'm not 100% sure it's been that great. I have been offered and seen free tickets all over the place. Not usually a sign of an event doing well, usually means their desperate to get people there.
At the end of the day I want REA to succeed because that is good for UND. I'll stick by my statement that helping elevate UND MBB to the point they are selling out the Betty will do more for their bottom line long term than one time things like this. Your right that growing basketball won't come from giving it to other programs but 1.2 million could have made some nice enhancements at the Betty to help start that process of elevating MBB who like you agreed with has a ton of room for revenue growth long term.
That's the second time that you've suggested that REA was going to lose $1 million or more on this tournament. They aren't going to lose nearly that much money. They may lose some money, but not nearly the level that you keep suggesting.
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13 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:
Not sure that's going to be a sentiment shared by many. Take away the scouts, the schoolchildren, and the players' parents, and you have more naked leather than a bovine Pride parade. A real black eye for the region.
My guess is that total attendance for the tournament is going to be among the top 3 in Under 18 Tournament history, or close to that level. It's going to be much higher than the only other time the tournament was held in the United States. Those numbers would suggest good attendance, but not rise to the level of great. It appears that some people had unreal expectations for the tournament. REA knew it was going to be difficult to make money off this tournament. But you don't put on every event just to make money.
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Saving Private Baseball
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The coaches usually were aware of the student-athletes before they got to school, and even recruited them to play. But the school was the driving force for those students attending UND, not being a baseball player or swimmer. I have to believe that there are still some of those on teams at UND. Those tuition dollars would not be lost by eliminating the baseball team.