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3 hours ago, nodak651 said:
Well look. at. that.. These guys are unbiased... just do rankings on a bunch of stuff. Ranked UND second best logo in NCHC.
I have to admit that when I see it next to the others it looks really good
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6 hours ago, petey23 said:
Well. I am not a fan, but for starters, their logo doesn't suck.
(Not directed at you)
It doesn’t suck despite being a generic, grunting grazer with turds on it’s fur, because they win.
If NDSU’s football logo and mascot the past 50 years had been a Pekingese peeing on a lamp post it would now be awe inspiring, and Fargo would have a public hanging for the dork who changed it to bison.
In sports winning fixes everything. It will at UND too.
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23 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:UND is trying to push a consistent identity and get fans used to seeing the logo. When fans get used to seeing the logo, they associate und and the logo with one another. When fans do that, they decide to express support for und by wearing the logo. Basketball and volleyball players, coaches, and (most) fans are already on board with the new logo. There's no excuse for refusing to place the logo at center court.
Is it really that important to not have the logo at center court?
Agree.
Every successful college sports program is intensely branded. Its not easy to do but It’s critical for recruiting, monetization, and winning. The most important thing about the logo/mascot is that it’s incorporated into the overall program brand.
What the logo actually is, is far less important,
Penguins sounds stupid until they reel off championships, after that it’s a brand and next thing you know hard nosed Steeler fans are walking around with a formal chicken on their shirts and it looks fine.
Golden Knights was a little cheesy until now. Oilers, meat Packers, Crimson algae, Buckeye nuts, generic animals like Jayhawks, Eagles, Gators, Bruins, Bears, Longhorns, and Ducks...all goofy until they kick your a$$.
Those schools and teams are the brand, the logos are secondary but need to be embraced and incorporated
Other teams feared North Dakota, not the Sioux. They don’t care what our logo is or was, but they do care about playing a great hockey program.
The more we bitch the more it hurts our brand. As a recruit it would be weird going somewhere where fans are so neurotic they seem hate the mascot on your jersey more than they like the team.
1/2 these kids in college are probably sick of a bunch of grumpy old men screaming ‘Sioux’ and ‘get off my lawn’. I guarantee the players get sick of it, they never played for the Sioux and are here because UND, not the Sioux, gives them a shot at glory and the NHL. Allow them to be proud of the logo, not be embarrassed by it
I didn’t like it at first but my brain trumped my vicarious memories, and I decided I like winning a helluva lot more than nostalgia. Life is about change.
Put the damn Hawk on the floor and hats and embrace it, buy a keychain. We can modify how it looks later if we want, it’s done all the time. Build the brand, sell the shirts, pay the bills, recruit the players, win the games, have fun; repeat.
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On 5/10/2018 at 12:08 AM, NoiseInsideMyHead said:
Maybe the Engelstads have outlived their usefulness. A one-trick (albeit a big one) pony with perpetual sour grapes about the Sioux. Maybe they're insufferable, which is why the negotiations went south?
“Usefulness”?
Think back on your life about someone who did something for you they didn’t have to and it changed everything.
Thank you Englestads
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48 minutes ago, iramurphy said:
Private funding means that people have indicated the willingness for their money to go for a specific project in this case the mascot project. The donations may be flowing through the Alumni Assn. but I don't believe they are coming from the Associations non-designated funds. I believe it was similar when a number of people donated to the fund to fight the legal battle to keep the Fighting Sioux name. Why should we care what others wish to do with their money? I could care less about the mascot. I don't care that much about the logo and name either. It changed.... who the hell cares? I do care that we support our teams, athletes and coaches. We need a brand and someone else decided it should be the Fighting Hawks with the present logo. I have trouble understanding why people make it so much more than it is. Our resources are better spent on coaches salaries, facilities, scholarships, uniforms, and the programs. It is none of my business if someone wants to spend money on the mascot. They aren't doing it to hurt something, they are doing it cuz they think it is something to help the University.
Please don’t mess this topic up with a cogent argument.
But thank you anyway.
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4 hours ago, tnt said:
Would assume Logan Stankoven is headed for the WHL, but would be nice to get a high end guy like that. If you look at all time stats with Yale, he surpasses Bowen and Blaisdell by quite a bit.
I assume his uncle is Bill Stankoven. Maybe not the best goalie we ever had but certainly had the best hair.
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16 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:
Football - a consummate money-loser for many schools - is a bit of a challenge because pretty much every school built its Title IX compliance program around the big, male-only albatross. I suspect the elimination of football will look better on the balance sheet than in real life.
Or would it make it easier to comply if we gave up that many men’s schollies?
I know enough about Title IX to be dangerous but my wife is an HR attorney who deals with Title IX suits, and I sleep at Holiday Inns. Without a lot of background info she said eliminating a football team is more likely to solve than create IX issues.
It seems odd a school would allow losing enough money on one poorly supported sport to wipe out the deficits of 7-8 sports.
I feel like an actor in the commercial where we become our parents for even discussing a football cut, and I admit I’m bias because I love our hockey program. From a sports perspective hockey is our identity. I live in the east and and no matter how cocky people are about their behemoth football they defer entirely to UND hockey.
Side note: I wonder how we are able to lose about double the money on women’s basketball and volleyball than NDSU
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The football team virtually bleeds money. Negative revenue of 2.3 million in 2016.
I barely missed a hockey game in my four years but I might have been to the Potato Bowl once, ate a potato, and left at halftime. Small college football is going the way of the dodo at an accelerating rate.
I will duck now.
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2 hours ago, gfhockey said:
I could be considered a pretty good source for inside info st happenings at the und
Do you have a sense of how hard this staff (top to bottom) recruits relative to the pre-Berry era and also to other good and upcoming programs?
I’m not beating up on this staff, just trying to get a read. Thanks
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Thanks for all the great posts and info I get here; one of my pearls in life is to surround myself with people smarter than me.
Would anyone mind posting what you consider good sources directly related to hockey recruiting and evaluation. Greatly appreciated
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3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:
Ponder this:
Eight guys from the win over QU are in the NHL right now.
Schmaltz, Boeser, Caggiula, Gersich
Stetcher, Poolman, LaDue, WolaninImagine this year's team with Schmaltz and Boeser still playing ... with Jost, and Poolman.
All that said, you have to keep bringing in talent to replace what goes.
It’s all about your last sentence.
NCAA hockey is basically one and done like basketball so in this business you can’t afford an off-year in recruiting. 17 year olds have a short memory reference. Two bad years of results and in their minds you are average.
The top of the heap college coaches literally hire their assistants based on:
1. Can they recruit?
2. Can they coach?
”Recruiting is like shaving, if you miss a day you look like a bum”—Jim Tressel
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On 4/5/2018 at 4:25 PM, moser53 said:
The schools with the big endowments will win more times than not. They have the money to treat the athletes like royalty.
Absolutely, the BIG has recently decided they want to win at hockey, it’s not a flash in the pan situation.
With annual budgets of over $100,000,000, annual receipts of $28,000,000 million/year per team just from the B10 Network, and paying the women’s volleyball coach $48,000 above Berry’s salary, it’s going to be a challenge for us now that hockey is a focus.
Now more than ever we need to recruit like mad, run the toughest program, get every ounce out of our players and keep adding to NHL rosters.
Everyone who comes here wants the NHL and wants a program that demands and provides excellence from the table, to the weight program, to the coaching.
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On 3/9/2018 at 11:52 AM, fightingsioux4life said:Nobody knows if recruits will pan out until they get to campus and start playing. But if you think it is okay that Denver is landing a large number of highly-touted recruits at (partially) our expense, then we will have to agree to disagree. I really hope I am wrong, but on the surface, it does not look good based on what I have been reading on this forum.
Agree. Having followed recruiting closely for decades I know there are always blue chips that wash out (mostly because their head isn’t screwed on straight) but a constant is that teams with the highest ranked recruits win the games. Coaching staffs who recruit like their hair is on fire are the most successful. The adage, “It’s not the X’s and O’s, It’s the Jimmys and Joes”, will always be true.
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17 hours ago, tnt said:
Flip Ohio State and Notre Dame. Notre Dame is already getting good recruits, don’t need them to have a championship to help them get even more. Don’t know if Ohio State will ever be a huge threat with lack of fan interest in the sport.
Unfortunately or fortunately Ohio State is here to stay. Their athletic Dept makes a huge profit and spends $109,000,000/yr on the programs. Their synchronized swimming team is in a new $20,000,000 facility.
They decided to have a winning hockey team a few years ago and bought one. Their roster used to be mostly Ohio kids, Michigan kids, and maybe 4 Canadians. This year they have 4 kids from Ohio.
Their coach wanted a $75,000 treadmill for their hockey team and a booster paid for one immediately.
There are 3 Big 10 teams in the Four if you count Notre Dame. The conference has bought in to hockey now. The good part is teams like Ohio State will bring college hockey more mainstream. But competing against that kind of money isn’t easy.
Our biggest selling point to recruits is that we are a blue blood with the NHL pipeline, facilty, location near recruits, and fan base.
I think our recruiting budget is under $500,000 so we need to make the most of it
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On 3/23/2018 at 2:50 PM, Irish said:
I don't think you can snap your fingers at all - I think it takes a lot of hard work and good player evaluation by the coaching staff who need to sell our program. We do have some things to help us sell however. We have the strongest fan base in the country both at home and on the road. We have the finest arena and live in an area where hockey is king. We have a proven record of developing NHL players and lots of NHL alumni to sing our praises. We have a proven record of championships. We are the team of Parise, Oshie, Toews, Stafford, and Boesser. We should be in as strong a recruiting position as any team in the country. Again, I think it takes much hard work, but that is a large part of our coaching staff's jobs.
It’s all about recruiting. Really, it is.
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6 hours ago, John W. said:
Key to UND hockey fortunes is 'karma' as I've previously stated.....for all the 'rednecks' who still cling to the 'Fighting Sue-sies'....nickname...(including the name of this board...which I like, except for the name)....come into the 21st Century and embrace the UND Fighting Hawks.....name and logo....and the hockey gods may change the fortune for the team...(are there still any 'Flickertails Forever' folks still alive!!!)
As much as I loved Sioux hockey while at UND I reluctantly agree it’s time to embrace the Fighting Hawks even if it’s not what I would have voted for. These players are young and barely remember even the last Olympics. They probably on average don’t care about the name
They were recruited as Hawks and wear the jersey. It would be weird being a player while the fans chant another name as though that’s more important than them and the program. I might do them some good to hear it as it is
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I’d prefer we play these games in high school hockey hotbeds and use the game as a recruiting tool. Host recruits etc.
But I have to agree that Nashville is a great town and well worth the trip for fans. Like a little Las Vegas.
I’d never give a B10 program like PSU who is now focusing on hockey and backing it with cash the ability to tell recruits they get games and opponents like this.