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Actually, it will happen in about two years.
If you hadn't heard, they did reach a consensus, and the answer was no, no, no. (Three times).
As USD's ICAC consultant said, don't move to DI unless you have a 90-95% certainty that a conference is awaiting you. Strangely enough, he says USD should move up. Wow, Aff, even you must have enough brain cells to figure that one out, considering all your USDSU / Illinois / Minnesota degrees.See, right there?
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Aff, you really can't be that slow can you? The Big SKy and MidCon prefer teams later in their DI transition. The conferences also want to protect themselves from the 5% chance that things will not go as planned.
What? You just said two posts above this one that USD will be in a conference "in two years". That wouldn't be toward the end of their transition would it? At least stay consistent in your fantasies here.
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Actually, it will happen in about two years.
If you hadn't heard, they did reach a consensus, and the answer was no, no, no. (Three times).
As USD's ICAC consultant said, don't move to DI unless you have a 90-95% certainty that a conference is awaiting you. Strangely enough, he says USD should move up. Wow, Aff, even you must have enough brain cells to figure that one out, considering all your USDSU / Illinois / Minnesota degrees.Yeah, just like the consultant recommended that NDSU and SDSU not move up unless they had conference affiliation in hand. They still moved up, so I guess that means they had conference affiliation ready to go from the start? I mean surely a school wouldn't simply ignore the advice of a consultant....
Thats got to be the most ridiculous argument for USD having conference affiliation I have ever heard. And you still haven't answered my question, why would USD and the mid-con keep this a secret? What benefit is there in that?
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It just royally grates your nerves that USD is heading to the MidCOn, doesn't it?
So now you are arguing that conferences don't have strategic plans beyond next month?
LOL. You say it like there's a single piece of evidence pointing towards that being true?
And you're assuming that 7 presidents have already made a consensus decision for something that is going to happen 5 years from now? The big sky was arguing about SDSU and NDSU for a year, and couldn't come to a consensus for adding them, but the mid-con has secretly come to a unanimous decision on USD being added in 5 years, without the slightest hint to the public. Because letting people know that USD had a home ready to go would be terrible for who again......
I am a little disappointed in you, your old conspiracy theories use to have something to stand on. This whole UND to the sky with a canadian school and USD to the mid-con with SIU-E hasn't even been thought of anywhere but in your mind. Do you have any evidence of this, or any reason why it would remain a secret? I'm sure USD would want to tell everybody about its invitation, and I don't know why the mid-con would want to hold out on something like that. Tell me why they would keep it a secret?
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Augie could not get any type of assurance that they would get a conference invite within the next decade, even with a possibility of a new arena. The MidCon does not want three teams from South Dakota, as USD already has a firm gentleman's agreement from the MidCon, IMHO. (USD & SIUE are MidCon bound, UND is Big Sky bound.)
If Augie really wants a taste of DI, they should consider hockey in the CHA. With SDSU and USD needing major facility upgrades, Augie is the only SD school now that even conceivably could start a hockey program. Doubt that will happen though.
Alternate Theory: UND, USD, and Augie were all unable to get "gentleman's agreements" from any conference. Seeing this, UND held back for USD to assist with scheduling like SDSU and NDSU have done. USD similarly is planning on teaming up with UND, and simply hoping for league affiliation. Augi, seeing that league affiliation may be extremely difficult for any new move ups, and evaluating their financial situation going into indy status, declines to move up.
I'm curious, if UND already has this bid to Big Sky locked up, why is it that they waited an extra year to move up?
And how is it that USD already has a gentleman's agreement? Did the league presidents get together secretly and come to a consensus on USD 4-5 years in advance of their invitation, before knowing anything about the conference situation that they will be in? Just how far out do these conferences plan for members? Did the league know about Valpo moving years ahead of time? How long did Valpo have an agreement with the Horizon to move? 6 or 7 years ahead of time? Or do these invitations for affiliation only come years ahead of time for schools in the Dakota's? If USD is already in, why hasn't the mid-con made that clear? What benefit is there to keeping this in the dark for either party? The A-sun, sure doesn't seem to mind telling D-2's that they will take them if they move up, so why hasn't the mid-con done the same thing for USD if its such a sure bet?
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It sure makes some people bitter, though.
Those people were bitter a long time before they got to these message boards.
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If it comes to that, the Mid Con can add UTPA at any time.
For now, they should focus on adding schools that will make them better. The Dakota 4 obviously do that.
It doesn't work like that, you can't just add UTPA and automatically be back to being a counter, they have to be in the league for 5 years to become a core member. If any current counter leaves the conference UTPA will be added. Adding additional schools to go to 12 in the conference eats away at the basketball tournament money for other schools, which is the reason most mid-majors stay at 10 schools. Enough to guarantee the viability of the conference, few enough that you get a decent basketball check every year.
And how do the 4 Dakota schools "obviously" make the conference better? Two of them have yet to play a game in D-I, but they are already better than many mid-con schools? I don't think you can make that statement.
I doubt I'm going to respond to anymore of your comments, as its become obvious that you will make any ridiculous statement you can think of to see UND and USD in the same conference as the SU's, even when people are showing you the reasons why that may not happen.
Posting on message boards doesn't make anything true, or change reality.
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Basically what everyone has known since UND moved up. UND and USD will partner up like NDSU and SDSU did and will be in the Mid Con for basketball and Great West for football to start out.
Possibly the Gateway for football in the future.
You know that no matter how many places you post that, its not going to make it true, right? Did UND or USD hire you on as part of their advertising budget or something? I have read three different boards now where you talk about UND and USD being reunited with NDSU and SDSU. Almost every place you post, even here, everything you say is discredited, and yet you keep posting like you think that if you can convince the fans of these boards that UND and USD will be added to the same conference as the SU's, that it will become true. Just relax about it. If you're so sure about it happening, then you probably don't need to continually post that its going to happen.
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It's hard to give a logical response to an illogical, hate based one liner.
I understand that UTPA is an active DI member (not sure if they're a core member or not).
That really doesn't mean much to me, though.
By 2009 both NDSU and SDSU will be active members.
UND (and USD for that matter) offer far more in terms of market, facilities, and reduced travel cost than UTPA.
Not to mention the sanctions against UTPA that got them kicked out of their previous conference.
Wouldn't touch them with a long pole.
LOL. "Illogical hate based one liner". You should probably relax a little there MplsBison. You would think I had just quoted Hitler.
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Then again, if SUU is added to the Big Sky to even bball numbers like I think they will, a set of events could easily be put in motion to get Montana upgraded to I-A and perhaps in the WAC. Montana State would probably try to follow.
If that scenario plays out in the next 3 years and UND is still independant (expcept for the Great West) in 2009, would you then accept an invitation from a Montana/MSU less Big Sky when an invitation from the Mid Con could come at any time?
If S. Utah leaves the conference UTPA will be added as their replacement. UND would do nothing to guarantee the viability of the mid-con, while UTPA would help.
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At least UND has a budget, according to SDSU fans USD doesn't have a real athletic budget. I guess we just pool together our pocket change to pay the bus driver before we go to road games.
Why have I heard two completely different stories regarding proposed conferences for our grand institutions. The SU's fans are adiment that the MidCon is closed for expansion, yet I hear other news from that conference that further expansion into the Dakotas interests them. Wonder what that is all about?
The conference said that? Or fans on message boards said that? Here's something to look at, see if you can find the common link between these:
Missouri Valley (bball only): 10 members
Horizon (bball only): 10 members
Mid-cont (bball only): 10 members
WCC: (bball only): 8 members
Big Sky: Wants Denver to put it at 10 for basketball, 9 for football.
Its pretty weird that everybody on these boards thinks that 12 is the logical number, and yet no mid-major league is interested in getting to that. I think you need to remember that the mid-con was recently at 9 members and they showed absolutely no interest in the XDSU's. They had to lose 2 members, and they recently added 3 to go back to 10, even though they could have added a texas school (which would have been much better insurance against a school leaving than either USD or UND) to put them closer to that "magical 12" that everybody assumes they needed.
I really think that Douple was thinking about adding the UXD's in order to try to get a mid-con football conference going, but with the other Dakota schools leaving, that idea is dead in the water, and so is UND and USD's best card for getting into an all sports conference.
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Haven't we already determined that you did go to SDSU?
http://siouxsports.com/forums/index.php?sh...mp;#entry169847
Do you really think that any of us have it all figured out? If we did we wouldn't be sitting here typing it on a message board. It's easy to spout off how bad things are going to be at UND two years from now, as you probably will have moved on from this board by that time when things really aren't as bleak as you had predicted. Kupchella has stated that he wants to take the next year to get things in order. Time will tell who is right.
Not a FAN OF SDSU. Goddamn, I guess the rest of an opinion isn't relevant unless you have something to throw smack at on this "board with no smack", right? Good job just ignoring the entire substance of what I wrote to get to the important information of whether or not AFF has season tickets for SDSU or not.
I guess the only time you can actually evaluate whether this is a good idea or not for UND is also "two years from now" when "time will tell". Tell you what, go tell your boss that "only time will tell" if your proposal is a good idea or not, and see if you keep your job. I simply point out facts about UND's move, and potential problems, but Lord knows it can't be a bad idea, because the leadership of UND is infalliable. I mean, these are actual living God's that don't need outside consultants, million dollar deficits, or nearly tapped out markets to tell them that D-I is a bad idea. They have hockey, and NDSU was fine, SO UND WILL BE TOO!
Seriously, its like talking to somebody with blinders on telling them that a corner is coming up. "I've been driving straight this whole time, why would anything change?".
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You're still wrong. In fact, you're not even close.
No, YOU'RE wrong. DEAD WRONG IN FACT.
LOL. Thanks for the informational reply above there.
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It's a well know fact that sdsu has been the fat chick in regards to the whole ndsu-sdsu conference buddy scenario. What at all is attractive about the sdsu athletic department? Football sucks.... men's basketball sucks.... unless you're hoping to find a top equestrian league then partnering with sdsu is sort of like fastening an anchor to your leg and swimming the 100 meter butterfly. UND is going to 57 scholarships there first year of I-AA football so get ready because right now you wouldn't come within three touchdowns of us and we're at 36. Have fun with your single win football season.
First off, I'm not from SDSU, don't I don't really care how the big football game goes, especially one that hasn't been scheduled yet. Second, how many of that 57 is going to come from tuition waivers? Its easy to spout off about something that is two years away, not so easy to actually fund that. And by fund, I mean come up with the money for it, not get tuition waivers. I also mean, fund women's hockey scholarships along with the football scholarships. You remember womens hockey right? The sport that you've been working years on to get actually scholarship money into, but haven't quite been able to get those, what is it, 12 scholarships? But I know, you'll be at 57 for football in your first year. Keep talking big man, you seem to have it all figured out up there.
EDIT: I just saw that comment about SDSU mens basketball sucking. Coming from a UND fan. Yeah, I don't think anybody from UND needs to be talking smack about mens basketball for the next decade or so.
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So it does apparently irritate you to no end that USD's President has already been talking with the MidCon, at a meeting precipitated by SDSU no less, and may have been gathering state political support to accomplish USD's entry.
I can see you have the best interests of the State of South Dakota in your heart. 
Does it irritate me? No, and I'm not sure how you got that out of what I typed. Do I think its stupid to even say? Yeah, I think its pretty dumb.
Most people would think its pretty normal for mid-con officials to meet with the South Dakota Board of Regents, when they are considering a school in South Dakota that is under the board of regents responsibility. Since the board of regents was meeting in Rapid City, I guess they had to go to Rapid City. Leave it to you to come up with a conspiracy theory though, I mean how could there be a conference meeting without alterior motives? Its not even possible right? And what exactly would Abbot be saying to Garner support? If SDSU gets in USD has too to or ...... whats that threat again? Oh, I guess it doesn't really makes sense for Abbot to be telling his bosses what to do, does it? With the way things work in ND, the presidents telling the chancellor what to do and all, I guess I can understand your confusion, but in SD the board of regents is in charge. So what do you think Abbot was doing there? Begging for admission to the conference. Hmmmm, UND couldn't talk to the mid-con, but I guess USD could now? Lets think, does that sound logical? No, I guess not.
Come on Starcity, usually your little theories have something to them, but this one was just a hollow shell. Theres not even a certain sentence for somebody to single out as evidence, there nothing there. I know you can come up with something better. I was honestly expecting the theory to be Augie as basketball only, along with USD and UND, all to the big sky, but I guess not. Maybe in a couple more weeks?
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One more notion folks:
When Roger Thomas resigned and the search for a new AD began, one candidate for the job was chatting openly (to the media) about how UND would be a good DI school and how he'd love to lead a DI Athletic Department at UND.
Charles Kupchella got the list of finalists.
Charles Kupchella had the final say.
Charles Kupchella hired Tom Buning.
Tom Buning is the man first mentioned.
Tell me again:
Why would Kupchella hire an openly pro-DI Tom Buning as his AD if he had no intentions of moving?
So he was getting pressured into it before Bunning got here and even evaluated the finances. Whats your point?
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Couldn't the same be put out there under same hypothesis for NDSU's Chapman (his application at Wyoming) and SDSU's Miller (her resignation/retirement)?
And as far as pressure affecting Charles Kupchella, he could have easily buckled, blamed the NCAA, and pulled the "Fighting Sioux" moniker on August 6, 2005. That he was going to pull the moniker is the urban legend out there since 2000. He got an easy chance, with big (NCAA) pressure: Nope. And we got the opposite response from Kupchella no less!
None of us really know Charles Kupchella; however, the man surprises me (more positively) every day.
You made my exact point. Why didn't Kup. pull that moniker again? Pressure from the alumni. If had done it there would be he!l to pay. Same with not moving D-I. It doesn't mean its a wise decision, it means that Kuppy doesn't think he has a choice.
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I'm still here asking cost and conference. And I've asked the right people in the UND adminstrative structure.
The financial plan committee is working on the details. I'll let them work. They're due with data in December.
The political wing of UND administration is working on the conference issues. I'll let them work too until at least December.
Folks, you need to re-read what PCM posted here:
Kupchella saw DI done wrong in Missouri. That won't happen under his watch.
Kupchella didn't want to move at all, and is attempting to leave the school. Maybe he sees something coming that can't be avoided because of alumni pressure?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. SDSU is the step-child no one wants, and has pulled NDSU down with respect to finding a conference. No one wants them. They are in financial ruin right now and it appears there is no way out. NDSU/UND are the most attractive pair for any conference.
Brilliant, the school that will be at 60 scholarships next year is in financial ruin, while the school that can't even afford to fund scholarships at a D-II level is the most attractive. Sounds like you've got it all figured out. Seen any women's hockey games lately? I know that they've been rolling in the money from all of that financial well-being at UND, they definitely are not on tuition waivers LOL.
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You should be - the only reason that they went to Sturgis is because the SDSU president couldn't get out of the meetings there. Why didn't they go to UND, I understand that your AD invited them up but they declined. The Mid-Con is set with 10 teams so why would they take USD? If WKU leaves the Gateway, NDSU and SDSU have a good shot at an invite. They aren't going to consider a bunch of new DI schools that haven't even approached their exploratory year yet. The ncc is 3-4 years to late, but that's what happens when you make decisions when only looking at the short run.
Don't even respond, I started typing up a long message to mock that, but I decided against posting on it, because not even starcity thinks that the mid con officials went to make sure that USD got into the mid-con. I do find it amusing though that starcity seems to think that the Presidents of UND and USD have a God's eye vision of whats going on around them, while the Presidents of SDSU and NDSU are morons that can't see whats going to hit them when USD and UND are coming. Evidence would indicate that SDSU and NDSU's presidents have had some foresight in this whole movement, while UND and USD have gotten caught with their pants around their ankles, but I guess not. I guess right now everything is going exactly how UND and USD anticipated, right?
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Sioux City Journal: USD and Augie to DI
By dropping scholarships for football, a DI move for Augustana could actually be cost neutral. Also, if Sioux Falls ever built a new arena, a DI Augustana in the Sioux Falls market could actually be more attractive, in the long-term, to the Missouri Valley Conference than SDSU and certainly moreso than USD.
Earlier, the UND move to DI had been considered likely to open the door for the DAC's to move to DII.So what do you think about that Starcity? It kind of looks like UND may be in a little bit of a pickle if both of those schools move up doesn't it? You have to admit, from a conference perspective USD and Augie may be a better pitch than UND. Even if its not, UND may be running the risk of being grouped with several also rans in a move to D-I, making conference affiliation pretty hard to come by.
I've also been meaning to get back here to listen to your ideas about whats going to happen with UND if NDSU/SDSU get an invite to the gateway? That would spell major trouble for the rest of the schools moving up with football, because they would likely not have a home for football to even look for, not that being an indy in fb is the end of the world, but it doesn't help. Some interesting times, thats for sure.
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you can say fart on the radio?
Wow. Sounds like I need to tune in with this kind of talk. LOL.
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aff,
Are you saying that teams from far western states do not like to expand east or expand period?
Yet, SDSU and NDSU are in a league that have two schools in California and everything is smiles and kittens???
First, I never made a statement as general as "teams from far western states", I said that the big sky doesn't want to expand into the dakotas, which I think has been pretty obvious lately.
If you're talking about NDSU and SDSU being in a league as being the Great West, I guess I don't really view that as a league, since it is only 5 members strong, and doesn't have an autobid. Its a scheduling alliance, and is about as much a league as the United Basketball conference or whatever that scheduling alliance was. I don't think its fair to compare the big sky to the great west for expansion possibilities. Its apples to oranges.
USD and Augustana to DI highly likely
in NCAA News
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In the other post you said:
And now you are saying that USD will get in early in their transition? PICK ONE OUT. One of these days I'm going to get you to admit your just making this crap up as you go. Obviously not here, as you've back tracked twice in two posts now, but someday soon. Write it down.
Don't worry, I'll write your little note down right next to my note about Denver, UND and NDSU getting in the sky.