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Pretty funny that they have the "I choose Division II" banner out for a game between two schools both going to Division I.
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Give it a rest. This is the last response to you. I refuse to waste time on a troll. You know what I'm saying is true, I know its true, and 75% of the posters here know its true. Give it up.
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I stated an opinion based upon observations. There's plenty of arrogance on this board, and you are one of the more arrogant writers. There's also a lot of paranoia here. You can't feel or see the arrogance because you are so deeply embedded.
It was a bull$%!# article, with some statements of fact...one being the destruction of D2 by the ncaa. It has forced the hands of some of the stronger programs...with UND and NDSU being two of them.
You took the bait. You're the winner.
Awesome. To all you sioux fans out there calling me a bison or jacks fan, heres a guy calling me a sioux fan! LOL.
Seriously though, you're not fooling anybody, give it up. Just admit you're an NDSU fan and be done with it. You're pleas of innocence are falling on deaf ears.
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UC Davis & Cal Poly will be leaving the Great West within the next 3 to 5 years. The new stadium in Davis (30,000 capacity) is a solid signal of their intentions. Cal Poly is situated differently, but given their druthers, they will eventually attempt to make the next jump also. Davis is gone for sure. The only division that is on the radar in California is DI because of the presence of so many DI programs.
The Great West is standing on very shaky ground because of this...and because of the departure of NDSU, SDSU, and Northern Colorado.
The Big Sky had two western members vote not to accept NDSU & SDSU. The leaders of the conference voted to require a 100 percent vote to accept any school. This...to me...was the work of Montana and Montana State. Montana, especially, has enjoyed being the kingpin of the Big Sky. They like their position very much. They won't be going anywhere unless the landscape changes dramatically. They are not positioned as well as the current WAC schools to recruit California athletes, which is where a high percentage of the major talent comes from in the WAC. Montana 'did not' want NDSU in the league...period. They used the 100 percent approval as a smoke-screen. That doesn't bode well for entrance by UND either.
I am wondering if it wouldn't be wise to begin the process of putting together a conference with UMD, St. Cloud, Bemidji, Mankato, USD, and a few other regional schools. I think that these schools, in time, will also want to move up to DI-AA in football and DI in their other sports. Most of the schools that I've listed are already playing DI hockey. They have a historical connection with UND as far as hockey is concerned and also the NCC connection in other sports. I would also think that Winona and possibly St. Thomas would be interested. This would give us our 'bus' conference and would save a lot of money in the non-revenue sports.
With a little bit of encouragement and coaxing, I think that these schools would consider moving up. Getting support from UND and USD could make a difference.
I propose that we join the Great West, participate as long as possible, and in the meantime begin organizing the above-described conference for all sports. D2 is withering on the vine. The ncaa has done a really good job of ruining this once-powerful division. Many of the schools that I've mentioned won't be satisfied with D2 for very long. The competition level will continue to drop and the caliber of play will drop to the point where regional athletes simply won't go there. They'll opt to walk on at DI-AA schools. When this becomes obvious, which will be very soon, there will be many schools that will be interested in moving up.
Got to love a post whose 1st sentence is made up, which then assumes this made up idea as fact and talks about it for another 5 paragraphs.
Seriously, your an NDSU fan, its blatantly obvious. The whole "We didn't get into the conference because they were scared of us" gives you away every time. Having to read through that kind of arrogance made me stop even looking at the Bison board.
NDSU didn't get in the big sky because they are located in Fargo, ND, period. Montana wasn't afraid, Sac State wasn't afraid, they just didn't want to go to Fargo. Get over it already.
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And the dissent to full fledged smack thread is complete.
Really, a very worthy topic to even discuss. Only Moses could have predicted that this would turn into a smack thread. LOL.
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It's possible that Indiana State could drop football.
If they do and another team leaves in the next 5 years, UND and USD are the logical replacements.
Also, there is no scheduling agreement with Davis and Poly that I'm aware of.
DON'T EVER GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAM MLPS BISON!
Seriously though, I think this move is designed to turn into a mo. valley football conference in the next decade (Possibly with DI-A aspirations?). If that ever does become the case, it will be too lucrative for members of the conference to leave for football, because of the basketball side of things. Indiana State may still drop though, but I don't see a second school leaving.
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Classy acceptance of the congratulations there Johnny.
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Have you ever been anything else?
I could ask other fans if they've ever been anything but over-the-top-optimistic too. I guess it all balances out then...?
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Not yet.
What I should have added was....
A 110 million dollar hockey arena in Grand Forks who would have guessed?
MplsBison, one should never say never is all I am saying.
But if you are all knowing, how about the lotto numbers for this week?
Ever heard the phrase "Hope isn't a strategy"?
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Wow, looks like S. Utah may be able to grab that spot in the big sky they have been looking for now...
Seriously, even if this does happen, it doesn't mean expansion to the dakotas is going to happen. UVSC, Denver, S. Utah or any combination would all likely be more likely than UND. If Portland leaves, Sac State, and EWU all are going to be more likely to want S. Utah than UND. I don't care what your facilities are, a conference spanning from Arizona to North Dakota isn't going to happen. Sorry to be negative here, but I don't know what else to say. By the way, what is this, the 10th scenario on this board getting UND into the sky? Give it up already.
What you should be worried about is this:
1. PSU leaves the sky.
2. Sky adds S. Utah
3. The mid-con expands to Texas Pan Am to move back to 10.
4. Another sky school, say Sac State
5. Sky adds UVSC
6. Another school defects from the mid-con
7. Edwardsville is added to the mid con.
Heres the expansion order for the mid-con and sky if defections take place in either (during the next 10 years)
Big Sky- 1. S. Utah 2. UVSC 3. NDSU/SDSU 4. UND/USD
Mid-con- 1. Texas Pan Am 2. Edwardsville 3. UND/USD
Thats what people should be talking about, but amazingly, nobody at either USD or UND seems to care about this situation. The class your moving up in is a a lot more crowded regionally than when SDSU/NDSU moved up.
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I'm sure facilities matter somewhat, but I doubt to the extent that fans on these message boards believe, and certainly not as much as location.
Case and Point:
NDSU/SDSU vs. Northern Colorado for the big sky invite. I hope nobody is going to argue that out of those three, Northern colorado has the worst facilities, and yet they got the conference invite, and NDSU or SDSU did not.
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Undoubtedly going to be seeking mid-con membership I suppose...
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Thousands of tickets given away - YOU know that for a fact? There were some general admin ticket deals (end zone seating)during the year but the SDSU game was packed with people being turned away. The game was great with a large SDSU contingent. Don't let your jealousy make you say stupid things.
With your declining fb attendance I think it's funny that you poo poo our attendance. From the BISON Media Blog "FWIW, a home game generally nets 80-100K. Northeastern game netted 90K, after an 80K guarantee. SDSU netted 200K, as it was a sellout with no guarantee."Are you sure you didn't pay SDSU something for that game? I have a hard time believing that SDSU would travel to the fargo dome twice in a row with no compensation from NDSU for their lost home game (which likely would have netted them quite a bit of money also at home). Even if it was scheduled by the conference that way, I would think some sort of compensation would be in order for playing two games in a row at the fargodome.
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The main thrust of his article- that the Sioux name is likely to be a detriment to UND during a D-I move- right or wrong- is correct.
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Paperwork? Why do you interpret everything that your administration says like it's the bible? I'm pretty sure none of them put even a quarter of the thought you do into these statements.
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The newspaper in Charleston, Illinois (home of Eastern Illinois), is hopeful that SIUE joins EIU in the Ohio Valley Conference. EIU, which is on the northern extreme the Ohio Valley conference, left the Gateway (and MidCon) largely because its football wasn't competitive with the other Illinois schools. The MidCon would be a much better destination for SIUE, as it would be in the geographic center of the MidCon, it would offer better rivals (WIU, UMKC), and especially if the MidCon tournament gets placed in St. Louis.
Samford leaving the Ohio Valley would probably have no effect on conference affiliation in the Upper Midwest. If Evansville left the Missouri Valley, that's an entirely different issue.No offense, but that sounds like bull from the OVC. Why on earth would evansville leave the Missouri Valley? Because of "financial problems"? I'm sure that dropping out of a mid-major conference that is hauling in the tournament dough to an also ran conference is really going to help the finances. I mean, the best idea ever would be to get more fans interested by bringing in less desirable opponents, leaving a conference with tons of publicity along with forfeiting 100,000's of dollars a year in tournament money, all to get into that OVC!
In any case, wouldn't Longwood be as likely a replacement as Evansville would be? Longwood would be more than willing to join I think...
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SUIE to the OVC makes perfect sense.
They'd have at travel partner in EIU ready to go. Also, Saint Louis to SEMO is pretty easy.
And when the OVC loses Samford to the SoCon, the OVC will be looking for another member.
I guess that means that UND will be joining the MidCon after all once they get rejected by the Big Sky.
Yeah, perfect sense, except they don't have a football team.
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LOL. Well, I'm glad that Minnesota was able to get the only mistake made during the entire game fixed! It must be a relief to know that your refs made no bad calls, except for that one last play, and that you were able to get it corrected.
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Here's how it will all play out:
S Utah to the Big Sky
UND and USD to the Mid Con
Thanks for that extensive analysis, and the fact that you didn't even mention what was going to happen to the school in the name of this thread. I'm glad we've got it all figured out now. -
That's a shame, because UND and USD will get there just before SIUE will.
UND and USD to the MidCon.
If there's room left, throw in SIUE too.
If SIU-E approves this in march, as they appear to be getting ready to do, that would mean they are entering the transition at the same time as USD and UND.
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There is one thing we agree about, SIU-E will be in the mid-con in the near future, their location, and the recruiting area it opens up makes too much sense for the conference.
I'm not sure how you have came to the conclusion that USD is in with them though? Lets take your scenario for example. Your assumption is that UND gets into the sky... assuming thats true, that would likely stop S. Utah from bolting the mid-con any time soon... in that case wouldn't the logical additions be UVSC and SIU-E? That would make tons more sense if your dividing the conference in two than adding a school in Illinois and a school in South Dakota.
Another thing that hasn't been considered, that I read on another board, is the possibility of SIU-E and Chicago State coming back after their athletic department is cleaned up. That makes a lot of sense geographically, and I have to think that this is Chicago States goal. In any case, adding a school is Chicago has to be more attractive than adding a school in Vermillion SD.
I guess the only sure thing about this is the SU's were pretty lucky to gain conference affiliation when they did. I can't see them getting added if they had started two years later than they did.
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Fargodome to Cedar Falls, IA-452.59 mi.
Nemzek Hall to Cedar Falls, IA-447.70 mi.
My bad, proximity makes all the difference. Or maybe Katie Wilson and President Dille were just better friends with the UNI athletic admin...or maybe the simple answer that has nothing to do with the relationship between the two schools...they wanted to bring in a nonconference patsy willing to take a big payout to take a beating.
Seriously, this is getting too stupid to even discuss anymore. Do I really have to lay out the reasons why USD-NDSU is different than UNI-NDSU AGAIN? You really think that UNI is a valid comparison to USD. Nothing different there, at all? No differences that would make that comparison irrelevant?
(HINT: READ THE ABOVE POST AGAIN. I HAVE ALREADY LAID OUT WHY THE COMPARISON IS NOT VALID, AND IT WAS MORE THAN DISTANCE).
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Now I'm really confused. I thought you said the two schools are on bad terms. Now you say they are "indifferent". So which is it, aff......flip, or flop?
READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS AND PRACTICE YOUR READING COMPREHENSION. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU IF YOU CAN'T READ WHAT I HAVE VERY CLEARLY INDICATED AT LEAST 3 TIMES ON THIS THREAD.
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The number of reasons why a school can or cannot schedule another school in any given year is far too long and complex to conclude, without a quote from the parties involved, that they are, or are not, on good or bad terms. If that is the standard for such a conclusion, then the number of schools which NDSU is not on good terms with is too long to count. How many NCC schools scheduled NDSU after they left? Are they all on bad terms? I should think very nearly all of the AD's or Presidents of NCC schools would consider themselves on good terms with their colleagues at NDSU, if they were asked such question. Further, since NDSU has never been on Northern Iowa's schedule since they left the NCC, yet the panthers hosted Moorhead State in 1993, were they on bad terms with all the AD's at NDSU since their NCC departure, and on good terms with the MSU administration? Of course not. Does Montana State buying out next year's game now mean they are on bad terms with the NDSU administration? Of course not. Those decisions are far too complex for such simplistic, and quite frankly, juvinile, reasons.
Come on, in 5 years two teams within 300 miles of each other, that were previously in a conference, haven't had an opportunity to schedule each other in any sport? When NDSU was already on USD's schedule for the first year of the transition to D-II, USD had to make a special effort to NOT play NDSU and schedule Peru State. It would have been easier to simply play the game that had been scheduled for at least 3 years previous to that, and that is for all sports, not just the major ones. USD seriously had to go through extra effort to find NAIA schools to take NDSU's place on their schedules. Does that sound like something friendly schools do? Or would they suck it up and play one last game going into the transition to D-I?
The comparison to Montana State, Northern Iowa etc. doesn't make any sense, because those schools aren't as close to NDSU as USD is, and those schools haven't been in the same conference as NDSU in the last 5 years. Yes, there are a lot of reasons to not play a team, but seeing USD drop NDSU off of their schedule in everything, after they played them in every sport they had the previous year kind of makes you raise an eyebrow. You're not going to convince me that USD couldn't have helped NDSU during the first year of their transition to D-I, even if it was only in the non-revenue sports.
Again, this is not at all similar to Montana States buyout, OSU playing Florida, SDSU playing Illinois, or any other conference arrangements. The only thing that has been simplistic are these ridiculous comparisons to non-NCC schools that are 1000 miles away from NDSU.
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With all due respect, rushing to average 60 schollies so that you qualify for multiple D-IA body bag money games doesn't really prove to me that USD is fully committed to D-I. Fully funding you're already competitive swim team or other non-revenue sports would be more of a commitment. Most schools can throw all of their money into football and mens bball. Committed schools want to be competitive across the board.