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How many sporting events did NDSU and Minnesota compete in in the five year period prior to NDSU moving to DI? They were obviously on bad terms before 2003. Something apparently changed and they are now on good terms.
But UND and Minnesota compete in athletic events every year, so that would mean they are on good terms, right? Except a recent Minnesota policy banning any future UND-Minnesota competitions in any spore except for two, might mean the schools are on bad terms. But they still play in those two sports. So are they friends or not?
I'm so confused as to who likes who and who doesn't like who.
One thing is certain though: USD and Florida St. obviously hate each other because I don't think they've ever played!!
Brilliant reading comprehension. Let me repeat what I've said at least three times above.
THE BEST ASSUMPTION THAT CAN BE MADE IS THAT NDSU IS INDIFFERENT TO USD.
Is that clear enough for you, since you obviously spend more time coming up with a sarcastic post than actually trying to understand what someone is saying? I think it would be fair to say that Florida st. is indifferent to USD, and that Minnesota was indifferent to NDSU before moving to D-I. Not that those comparisons are even valid, since Florida St. and USD WERE NEVER IN A CONFERENCE TOGETHER, DON"T HAVE THE SAME HISTORY, and ARE OVER 1000 MILES APART. I ALSO DON'T REMEMBER USD AND MINNESOTA BEING IN A CONFERENCE TOGETHER. AND UND AND MINNESOTA ARE CURRENTLY IN THE SAME CONFERENCE, SO GREAT JOB WITH THE VERY RELEVANT COMPARISONS.
Really though, I hope in the future you can graze over more of what I say, and then make several nearly idiotic comparisons that have nothing to do with whats being discussed, in the future. Very helpful addition to the conversation!
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This board format is outstanding, by far the best sports message board I've run across.
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I guess I'm confused on what you want here? You need a news article specifically written to say that USD and NDSU are not getting along, or else they are? How much sense does that make?
As stated above, my analysis is:
1. NDSU needed games.
2. USD could have provided games.
3. USD refused to provide games.
I don't think its that big of a "conjecture" to say that the schools admins aren't best friends. No, there are no news articles saying otherwise, and no, I haven't discussed this with Nielson, Chapman etc.
If you choose to say that my analysis is wrong with no evidence of why they are getting along so well, thats your prerogative, but I find it hard to believe that an unbiased observer would out of hand reject what I've said based on absolutely nothing besides the fact that I don't have undeniable proof of it.
Lets try something different, tell me why you do think that NDSU and USD are getting along? What are your reasons for thinking this?
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1. NDSU needed games.
2. USD could provide games.
3. USD didn't provide games.
Whats so difficult here? If you want to believe that USD and NDSU are getting along like best friends fine, but that isn't the intelligent, unbiased, or reasonable conclusion. Like I said, the best "assumption" that can be made from this is that NDSU doesn't care either way. If you don't believe it and want to continue this conversation than GIVE A REASON OR SOME FORM OF EVIDENCE WHY (More than a nameless poster who claims they heard something from their mother's brother's best friends dog owner, who is a second cousin to Nielson) . In case you weren't aware, you don't disprove something another person says by merely saying that "There's a possibility" that it is incorrect, without laying out a single reason, piece of evidence, or even idea why it is wrong. If what you need to believe me is a direct quote from the University Presidents, than you're expectations are unreasonable. I've put out far more evidence to show that they aren't getting along than anybody has to show they are getting along, so the burden of proof is off of me.
I don't come on this board to argue semantics with people I've never met, and I don't come here to have my intelligence questioned because you refuse to believe anything outside of your initial thoughts. I've laid out why I think the schools are not on good terms, so tell me what in my analysis is wrong, or SHOW ME the evidence why its wrong.
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You can promise?
You're right, NDSU has had nothing but spectacular teams the last couple of years, and especially during that first year of the transition to play. Why would they want a home game with an old in-conference rival, some NAIA school is just as good.
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That's a pretty BIG claim you are making isn't it?
Do you have proof? Or is it just "Yho"?(your humble opinion)
I need proof now to show that two schools that haven't played each other in 5 years are not on good terms? I would think the burden of proof in that situation would be on the person trying to show they are on good terms. The obvious assumption is they are NOT on good terms.
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That is an extraordinarily weak gauge of if any school is on "good terms" with another.
Please, USD hasn't played NDSU in any sporting event for almost 5 years, and some of you want to say that USD is on good terms with either of the SU's? I've always thought that you find out who your true friends are when you see who comes when you're down. Well, USD hasn't been anywhere to be found for NDSU. Not when NDSU needed home games in basketball (mayville state etc.), not when NDSU needed home games in football the last couple of years (They can play central arkansas but not NDSU???), not in a single sport. Not baseball, not volleyball, not ANYTHING. I can promise you that somewhere along the line NDSU could have used a game in something from USD. If the schools where on good terms, USD would have delivered it, end of story. Thats what schools that are on "good" terms do for each other. For anybody to claim that USD and NDSU are on "good" terms is laughable. At best, the administrations are indifferent to each other, and thats being generous.
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While agree that it looks promising for both SDSU and NDSU in the Gateway, I don't think fear is driving speculation. Think back a few years and recall what Bisonville was like when NDSU had announced the move to Division I. I'm sure that there were all kinds of rumors flying around about conferences, especially about the Big Sky. That wasn't fear driven. It was hope and dreams and yes, probably some people just making stuff up to sound good. Good luck to the SU's at the Gateway meeting. UND is just starting the process and the landscape will change several more times in the next couple of years, so I don't believe fear is warranted.
Thats all I was trying to say. I'm not saying that UND/USD are never going to be admitted, I'm saying if they are, it isn't going to happen in the manner being described here, and pretty much everything being discussed comes down to wild rumors.
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I'll just post things as I hear them. Which, I only post when I hear something of value, and report it. I didn't just pull this out of the air. This is what I have heard from people who, quite frankly, would know what is going on behind the scenes. What I mean by that is who is having conversations with who. And what would you know, the same things I hear from independant sources show up in a news article weeks later. What are the odds?
Will USD be transitioned in tomorrow? NO. I never put a time table on these things, you did. These things probably won't happen for 3-4-5 years. Point is that the conversations are taking place.
There is not fear in Vermtown, right now there is excitement and optimism...and thanks that we are not going to be stuck in the same predicament as the MN schools. All the former NCC schools face challenges, just some challenges have better returns at the end of the rainbow than others.
And tell me why NDSU would care either way for USD?
I don't know. Maybe because they were in a conference together for 80 years. Maybe because there is history between the two schools and their athl depts. Maybe they get along fairly well and there is no animosity between the two.
Sorry, I don't know who you're sources are, but unless its David Chicoine, they don't know how SDSU feels about any of this, and they are either reporting peggy millers feelings, or they are making it up. I'll leave it at that.
And if there is such a sparkling relationship between NDSU and USD, why haven't I seen USD appearing on any NDSU schedules since they moved up? That first year I'm sure they could have used the game in any sport......
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Aff, you did not read what I typed.
I never said UND and NDSU get along. I stated the reason why NDSU would support UND, becuase of the pressure from the rest of the state.
I never said SDSU would oppose USD. I said they are doing nothing, for or against. Just nothing. They really don't care what USD does. We are a nonfactor to them and don't exist, like we've been disowned.
NDSU does support USD, from what I heard.
Of course the other schools pres's will need to vote on this, but having advocates like the conference commish and the infuence of a president (NDSU) who pushes for it doesn't hurt.
I read what you wrote, it just doesn't make sense. Why would PR pressure force NDSU to support UND, but not force SDSU to support USD the same way? And tell me why NDSU would care either way for USD? There's no benefit for them either way for USD, so whats the point of being supportive for USD? What has USD done lately to help NDSU out during the transition? And the most important question, how would anybody know any of this information literally 4-5 years before the possibility of a vote on USD has even come up? USD is three years away from playing a D-I schedule, and your telling me that your source already knows what both SDSU and NDSU, along with the conference commissioner think about USD's bid to the mid-con? NDSU may not even have the same president by then, and SDSU's president hasn't even been in place for a full week! Nobody on this planet knows all of the information you have posted above. Chicoine at SDSU may think that having USD in the same conference as SDSU is a great idea, and may support it, and he may not. I doubt he's even considered that, but you're telling me that your source already knows what he's going to do? Come on, these are just rumors you're hearing, nobody knows the stuff you're claiming as true on here.
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The #1 Sports Story in South Dakota: USD takes plunge, enters Division I
Finally, a sportswriter who understands and agrees with me. USD already has a gentleman's agreement to enter the MidCon: a couple more years and it will happen.
UND may very well be attractive to the MidCon, but when Sac St moves on from the Big Sky, there will be another option.
Anyone want to bet that "non-SDSU fans" like Aff will be descending down and slamming the Argus-Leader writer?
Are you crazy? Even in his article he uses the words "considered for admission in a couple of years". He NEVER said "USD already has a gentleman's agreement to gain admission to the mid-con". Its easy to see how you can come up with these theories glossing over "little" details like that. My God, he said that Nielson has probably contacted Douple about joining the conference, is that a shock? I bet that Oien and Taylor both did the same thing during this period of moving up. That doesn't mean that they are already in the conference.
Seriously, how would a "gentlemen's agreement" actually work? Douple is going to promise that he'll make University Presidents vote for admission, no matter what the current situation is, in three years? How could Douple possibly promise that USD or UND will be admitted without a presidents vote? He works FOR the presidents, he isn't IN CHARGE of them, and he has no real power over them.
A "Gentlemen's agreement" is part of your wild conspiracy theories. There really is no doubt that Nielson, and probably UND's athletic director have both had "back door" dealings with Douple, meaning they have contacted him about the possibility of admission to the conference, which WOULD BE THEIR JOB. That doesn't mean that anybody has been promised admission, doesn't mean they will never gain admission, doesn't mean that douple is some sort of dark underlord that rules over 10 institutions of higher learning and can bend them to his will whenever he pleases, and doesn't mean any conspiracy theory is true.
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This article is more on than you think. And don't be suprised if the Bison are the ones helping to facilitate USD & UND getting into the MidCon, rather than any backdoor deals going on.
Here is what I have heard around Vermillion and the USD Community:
NDSU has never had an issue with USD, in fact, they like and support us, and our Athl Depts get along pretty well.
The NDSU administration also will support UND getting in. They know that the people of the state of ND won't stand very long for the two schools not competing against each other once UND hits D1. And any "revenge" actions by NDSU towards UND would be bad PR (people around the state won't like it too well, rivals is one thing, being in a position of power and hurting another state institution, another). The fans won't like it, but the fans don't call the shots and the administration will do what is necessary to avoid any problems at the state level.
SDSU does not like USD, we won't get any cooperation from them, they will not oppose our MidCon conference bid, but they won't support it either. Much bad blood there. Not really a problem since we have the support of NDSU in this area, which, most will admit, carries more weight than the Jacks.
The MidCon is excited about the possibility of having the 4 Dakota schools anchor their conference for many years to come. Stop the revolvong door stuff. They noticed how long we all existed in the same conference together and like that we have built in rivalries to bring to the conference.
I pointed out that NDSU probably likes us so much because we were 4-16 over the last 20 years against them in football
. Again, this is just what I have heard and do not have any evidence to confirm this.
Personally, I tend to believe it. There are just two many positives to the 4 Dakotas hooking up in the same conference again. Those positives outway all the ugly stuff that has gone on over the past few years.
Sorry, but there's no way that NDSU doesn't have a problem with UND. If anything there's more bad blood between UND and NDSU than SDSU and USD. I don't know who your source is, but I highly doubt they have any information on whether or not SDSU will oppose USD's bid for the mid cont or support it, especially because SDSU has had a new president for three days now. That would be one amazing source to know what Chicoine's feelings about the situation are already.
I would take any "information" with a grain of salt. Abbot and Neilson are the only guys who actually know what is going on down there, and I doubt even they know everything that you claimed in this post.
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LOL. Thanks for providing the link, I have been absolutely DYING to donate, I just haven't been able to!
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Who wrote that thing? Is that an informational page or something written by the same guy that did some of Lenin's work about the proletariat? Seriously:
# Our strategic plan calls for UND to be moved securely into the top 100 colleges and universities by all measures. This would logically include athletics, which we have long considered a co-curricular set of activities for our student-athletes.# There may well be some positive increase in visibility—even though we have long been, and still are, a national Division I power in hockey. Any increase in visibility will help illuminate the academic and research excellence already established at UND.
Seriously, it sounds like a cheer leader wrote that. My favorite part of the whole thing is that while there is amazing confidence in everything, not a single solid number is given for anything. Even the part about "How many scholarships will this require?", is responded to with a paragraph with out a single number. Whats the problem here, just say it, don't tell me about how "Many Division I schools aren't fully funded". What do other schools have to do with the question "HOW MANY SCHOLARSHIPS WILL UND FUND". Nothing.
And what is the measure of "Top 100" in athletics? Thats really an interesting phrase, since you can't possibly count football as being in the top 100 while in DI-AA. If thats the goal, shouldn't UND be going D-IA in football?
Seriously, thats a terrible page. All they need to complete it is a pop up asking for donations to the athletic department.
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U of mary isn't a bad team to beat, I think they beat a ranked team last weekend at a tournament at Northern, Northwest Missouri State.
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Seriously, I played there about 15 years ago in high school..... that facility is not impressive (that was before the new roof was added though). As I walked in the first thing one of my buddies said was "What a dump, I would rather be playing on our field". I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person who thinks the dakota dome is a terrible facility. A scoreboard doesn't change that. Neither does getting a state bail out to pay for a collapsing roof.
Don't worry though Mlpsbison, Tom Douple today said that USD and UND are in the mid-con, everybody has agreed on it. The new name is going to be "NCC" and there is going to be a huge party for everybody that refused to let go of the past, so I'm sure you'll be invited.
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The dome is good for football.
They need a new bball arena.
The exact situation NDSU is in.
There is absolutely no comparison between the Fargo Dome and the Dakota Dome. Say what you want about NDSU, but Fargo built the Fargo Dome the right way. Fantastic facility.
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Yet, posts on a Sioux Sports board?
Because no gopher fans ever post here or what? I've already explained this, I'm not going to do it again.
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Yote 53:
Many of the posters in this section are either bison or rabbit fans. "Aff" postings have revealed a very strong dislike of UND and a total disdain of USD, which would seem to make him an SDSU fan. "Aff" denies an SDSU affiliation, contrary to his postings from years ago, and claims he follows the Illini and Gophers.
Playing pretty fast and loose with the facts lately, aren't we? I think I sense a little desperation about your imminent bid to the big sky with SDSU and NDSU, or I mean, NDSU and DU because of hockey, or I mean, UND by itself, or no, with a canadian school, and DU. Yeah, thats it, a school in canada, and Denver University. Because of... hockey. PERFECT.
I don't show a disdain for UND or USD. I show a disdain for posters who put up ridiculous theories and then won't allow them selves to thing even remotely logically about "the real world". Apparently those same posters need to mask their own deficiencies by hiding and saying "So and So doesn't like UND, so that means I'm right, and hes being stupid because he hates UND".
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Wow. UND is going to get the most prestigious "Carr Report" that SDSU fans always throw in our face. Hey, when you guys are done with your copy could you let us folks down here in Coyote Country borrow it. Now that USD moving up is happening those folks at SDSU refuse to share theirs.
That's right. USD doesn't have a plan we are fools. We'll never make it.
Truth: Those years of pumping out doctors, lawyers, and other professionals is paying off as fundraising efforts are going well and looks like we'll have plenty of cash to fund the move and upgrade facilities. Hockey anybody? 2010 will be here before you know it. Heard it here first. SDSU fan will disagree with anyything out Verm, but what do you expect. Sioux fans, you know what I mean. That OTHER school that is now in a hissy because they won't be able to claim that "We're D1" title to much longer.
Good luck on your endeavors. See you in the Al in a couple of weeks where we get our revenge.
Yes, UND, NDSU, and SDSU are all idiots for getting the Carr report, while USD is brilliant for not wasting the money on it. It's too bad the admins of all three of those universities were so stupid to get an outside study done. Too bad they can't match USD's administration.
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When both SU's were shopping themselves out, they seemed to want a package deal didn't they?
I don't remember UND calling USD and trying to make a pact.
Maybe UND is trying to show they have the means and are a player w/o USD?
Too bad about Augustana.
IMHO, they probably will fall off the map like Morningside. 
UND may have done just what you said, and evaluated USD as a hinderance more than a help.
But remember, neither school has even started the transition yet, so there is still plenty of time for them to team up.
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When Sac State leaves, the dominoes will start falling. UND will have the necessary votes and will get in the BSC.
As a poster, my writings have been out there to the typical conventional mob rule "wisdom" poster. Over the years, with my insistance that the NDSU/SDSU combo was never going to get in the BSC, I was described as a "most hateful person" towards NDSU by numerous NDSU posters on a number of boards, even on ones that I did not frequent or ever post at. In the end, my logic was correct, even with all the board peer pressure and antagonism. UND to the BSC and USD/SIUE to the MidCOn will again prove the correct prediction (with 90-95% certainty).
Its funny how many incorrect predictions you forget about when talking about yourself.
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The way I see it, USD is being forced to move up by UND leaving and the collapse of the NCC. They really have no choice. Staying DII with a crumbling NCC and merging into the NSIC is simply not an option for USD. Regardless of what the consultant said, it seems to me that you can't assume USD has conference affiliation nearly locked up based solely on their decision to move up.
To a lesser extent, I feel the same about UND. How long was staying in DII really an option for UND? It may have simply gotten to the point that moving up even without a conference lined-up was a better option than languishing in a deteriorating DII.
Thank you for the refreshing common sense.
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Mark this down: UND and USD to the mid con as travel partners.
LOL. I don't know why, but reading posts from you just makes me laugh. Normally someone constantly saying something stupid would piss me off, but you're determination to get UND and USD into the mid-con no matter what, through the powerful tool of the internet message board, is pretty funny. I'm not even mocking you, it seriously just makes me laugh reading your comments.
USD and Augustana to DI highly likely
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Hey, I at least respect what your point of view is, because you're at least basing this on something, but I still don't really believe this.
I hope you understand where this stuff is coming from though. Right now USD NEEDS something, because as things stand now, they are pretty much screwed. A legitimate argument can be made that the mid-con won't expand past 10, and if two members leave so that UND/USD are admitted before 2013, the conference is dead from its loss of core members. And even if those spots do open up in another couple of years, theres no promise that USD is going to get them over the increasing number of schools that it appears are going to be moving up. Likewise, the Gateway is very unlikely to have a spot or spots open to accommodate USD in the near future. I also definitely don't see NDSU being an advocate to getting UND into the conference for exactly the reason Nanobison stated (SDSU and NDSU would turn down the Gateway if they were concerned about the UXD's being in the same conference as them). I hope you're not expecting to hear this kind of analysis from an insider at the USD athletic department.
I'm not trying to spread gloom and doom here, but USD is likely going to be in a very precarious position, and I think that Neilson and Abbot both know this, or at least I hope they understand this. I do agree with Star2City that the big sky is both UND and USD's best chance for conference affiliation, but I disagree on the chances of that actually occurring. The fact that UND and USD haven't yet publicly formed an "alliance" yet, indicates to me at least, that UND is thinking that there may only be one spot for a conference available (Read: Moving Big Sky to 10) in the near future, meaning that the indication they have is that the mid-con isn't going to move to 12. It would have been a more positive sign if only SDSU and NDSU were added to the mid con during the last round, leaving the conference at 9, and still in a possible expansion mode. If UND's goal (or what they thought was their best chance) was the mid-con, I think that them approaching the conference with USD would have been the priority.
Anyway, this is just my uninformed analysis. As I've said before, I think the chances of UND getting into the big sky are pretty low, but the chances of a mid-con bid for either school are even lower. Maybe the conference will move to two divisions, but that certainly isn't what the current trend is in D-I mid-majors (Mo. Valley is at 10, Horizon adds Valpo to move to 10, Big sky going after Denver or another school to get to 10, Mid-con adding 3 schools to get to 10). In the off chance that UND is added to the big sky, I think it is going to be almost impossible for USD to get mid con admission (adds a second costly trip to the dakotas, screws up travel partners in the conference, etc.)
This is an unfortunate situation for USD as they just have their athletic department moving in the right direction. Again, just my uninformed opinion.