OgieOgilthorpe
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Just now, OgieOgilthorpe said:
Rahauser, Spooner AND Morelli all have more points than ANYONE on UND’s entire roster this season. Great recruiting
Thank goodness they were at least able to nab Johnson.
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Rahauser, Spooner AND Morelli all have more points than ANYONE on UND’s entire roster this season. Great recruiting
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1 minute ago, 90siouxfan said:
what is the penalty?
Gardnerism
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1 minute ago, snova4 said:
No, that's actually Berry's team, he did the recruiting, so they were his guys, but we're just getting rid of Hakstol's dead weight players. Just wait until next year.
Other than the most valuable one...Boeser. That was Hak’s boy
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I can’t even get excited about this. It’s already too late
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Just now, cberkas said:
Some people are not good head coaches.
Was he ever a HC before this? Any level?
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4 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:
yeah, two first rounders leave after one year, two years in a row, pretty big red flag waving...
Also Jost left 2 seasons ago, not last year
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3 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:
yeah, two first rounders leave after one year, two years in a row, pretty big red flag waving...
Not to mention the other 85 red flags
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1 minute ago, AJS said:
I was just stating there's a 0.00% chance that a 1st round pick transfers to another school (sitting out a mandatory year). Just not going to happen. I'm plenty worried now that he'd sign after this year.
Okay gotcha. Yeah transfer was the wrong term...more like leave, or not going to be around next year. Next weekend will most likely give us our answer.
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2 minutes ago, AJS said:
I'll say with confidence there's a 0% chance JBD would ever transfer. What's your thought process?
Transfer to a different school, or just any other league in general. If guys like Rhett aren’t being sat for horrible decision making and guys aren’t being sat for just being horrible like Johnson and Reuter, JBD must’ve done something REALLY bad after the game out of frustration. Being sat like this at the end of a really bad season with plenty of age left to develop...not a good sign. I’d be more worried than you seem
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Bye bye business suit tradition and bye bye JBD, I smell a transfer of UND’s best player.
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Just now, SIOUXELEVENS said:
Three straight years of playing are worst hockey at the end of the year.
3 straight years of playing pu$$ cake brad berry hockey. #soft
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This will be the ELEVENTH time UND has scored 1 or less goals this season. WOW
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2 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:
Is it just me or is the university of North Dakota a dumpster fire all the way around.
100%. Between the president controversy, the budget problems, the cut programs and all the remaining programs failing...its not a good time to be a UND fan.
This is the worst Coached UND team I’ve ever seen.
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So much discipline with this team. Great job mr brad
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21 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
Altru should be putting this in every ad and on every billboard in the region.
https://www.altru.org/about-us/who-we-are/mayo-clinic-care-network/
They better do something soon
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5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:
All things that completely suck. No doubt. However, it just feels consistently blown out of proportion like the program is completely off the rails. One bad weekend away from this conversation absolutely not happening. That's why I am asking for people to have a little perspective.
But that weekend happened, and this team let it happen...and some other unprecedented weekends happened on top of it. One or two bad games a year are going to happen to everyone, but these bad weekends have been stock piling over the past 3 years. Dropping a game to lower rated teams happen all the time because hockey is a crazy game, but dropping multiple games in a row and consecutive weekends in a row to bad teams essentially means it's because they're just not that good of a team.
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10 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:
First part, so, we'd being in a older transfer or recruit on the fence, who is likely not lighting up the world. We have to teach him new systems and play and get him acclimated to his new team and teammates. For what? The idea that he could be better? And if he's not? More criticism.
Yes, I have watch Miracle recently hahaha.
It's not obvious, whatsoever, IMO. You'd take those guys off this roster and they aren't being replaced with high impact players (ala. Boeser, Schmaltz, etc.). They are being replaced by guys of the same ilk. Without names and only speaking in hindsight, this conversation is just one about us not liking how many goals we score.
Yes absolutely I would've brought some of those guys in to give them a shot to see if they could produce. I'd much rather have a kid who could possibly produce vs a few guys I KNOW cannot produce and never will. This isn't hindsight, it was pretty clear for Johnson, Yon and Reiger right off the bat. Not cutting the 2 of them after 2 years is a poor decision and not cutting Reiger after this year would also be a poor decision.
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6 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:
All-in-all...
This team is one bad weekend from being a No. 3 seed in the NCAAs.
In Fargo.
In a "down" year.
Let's have a little perspective, shall we?
Not sure anyone is saying they're absolutely miserable, but the perspective I see is that they're on pace to notch more Ls than they have in the last 19 seasons(only as far as I looked back) and miss the tournament 2 years in a row and nearly 3 in a row.
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19 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said:
Why is Bob Anderson part of this discussion? Bob is a walk on. He tried out for his spot. If the coaching staff wanted to bring in a scholarship goalie for our third goalie, Bob isn’t going to prevent that. He’d become our 4th goalie. We haven’t had a third goalie on scholarship for a long time.
The 3 skaters were the main part of the discussion and Bob was just added in. I thought they decided to give him a scholarship this past off season?
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2 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:
I wholly agree with this, but I would like to know who you think we would have replaced guys like Johnson, Yon and Rieger with? Or anyone, for that matter. Our recruits are the guys we wanted in the program and they fit into specific roles. Those names were not recruited here to be finishers and top end guys. I don't understand the connection to "cutting dead weight" and us being 2-3 players away.
Every year there are recruits that are ready to come in, but are held away from campus for an extra year solely due to roster limits. It's impossible to perfectly time out all of these recruits because of guys leaving early for AHL/NHL, leaving for another team or not leaving as early as expected. That always leaves a few guys on tap, so instead of holding them back an EXTRA year, bring them in and replace Johnson, Rieger and/or Yon depending on what positions are available. Much less likely, but always a decent backup plan is to find an older transfer kid or even a recruit they've been on the fence about offering. Anything would be worth the risk in my opinion since they wouldn't really be losing anything by dumping any of these 3 current guys.
You've obviously watched 'Miracle' recently, so yes...thank you...it's very well known some players are brought in for reasons other than to score a lot of goals. All 3 of these guys were brought in to be role players, or good defenders...and none of them have really panned out. It happened in the past and it'll happen in the future, but the only difference is that Berry has continued to hold onto them instead of shuffling them out. UND already has a large number of role player types that do it much better. Additionally, Johnson was brought in to be a dman, but was clearly the odd man out due to lack of skill, but was able to fill an empty forward role to keep a spot on the team. He literally was just a body to fill the spot and should've appreciated the opportunity to get some extra ice time during his last season at UND...but for some reason he's still there and sticks out like a sore thumb when he's on the ice. Same exact thing should've happened with Bob Anderson. The decision to hang onto him has been pretty close to really biting UND.
The connection between those types of players still being on the team and being 2-3 players away from being a top 5 team is obvious now isn't it? Cutting Bob, Johnson and Yon 2 years ago and Rieger last year would've caused a positive domino effect. Some of the freshman who are taking awhile to adjust would've been fully adjusted sophomores right now and the Rieger cut could've given another guy who's playing USHL somewhere right now a shot at at playing this year, again fast forwarding another player's development.
NO I'm not saying bring in guys who aren't ready and ruining their development, I'm only talking about the guys who are ready, but just don't have room for yet. Keeping the guys who didn't pan out is really putting kinks in the chain of development and is screwing up the flow of incoming players. It has a much larger impact than most might realize.
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16 hours ago, jk said:
More than 15 years ago, I used to spend time here defending the program, as it had stumbled after Mr. Blais's two titles. Then I defended Mr. Hakstol, who was a terrific GM and coach who just barely failed to win national titles. I feel that Mr. Hakstol's main problem was that he built teams to win seven-game series, rather than a single-game elimination tournament. With a different format, he probably wins titles in 2004, 2005 and 2011, perhaps also 2006 and 2007, and maybe a few others. But it's tiring defending the program on the internet, so I haven't lately. Now I feel the need again, and it's comical that some of the detractors are the same ones who were on Mr. Hakstol's case, and who probably were Mr. Berry's biggest fans almost three years ago. Also, sadly, some current detractors are long-time reasonable fans that have surprised me.
I feel that the state of the program is not materially different than it was under Mr. Hakstol. UND had a run of NHL first-round talent at forward from 2002-2008, and again from 2014-2017. In between, the teams usually looked a lot like this one, with more skill up front but less at defense, but with a similar tight-checking style of play. But "two missed NCAAs!" 2018 was basically no different from a number of seasons under Mr. Hakstol. Pairwise #14 usually gets in, and last year it didn't. From a rational evaluation standpoint, that's the same kind of season UND had a few times during the NCAA streak. This season, although they may still qualify, it seems more likely that they actually miss with a Pairwise finish between 15-20. But a top 20 Pairwise is not a sign of a program in disarray.
How has the team played at the end of the year for Mr. Berry? In 2016, but for 25 minutes against Denver, they put on a four-game clinic. In 2017, they absolutely dominated BU and suffered a fate that is exhibit A for how dumb this sport can be. They didn't allow a shot on goal for the entire first overtime period, they actually scored in overtime but had the goal dubiously reversed, and ultimately two future NHL stars combined to score a goal against them. In 2018, they played a very good St. Cloud team into overtime before losing, then beat Duluth in a game that Duluth felt it needed to win to get into the NCAA tournament, which it won three weeks later. UND was basically playing as well as the best teams in the country in March. This season, it just finished four weeks against teams ranked something like #1,3,5 and 9 nationally. They split with SCSU, dominating them 5-1 one night; Lost a "hot goalie" game 2-1, with Denver's goalie stopping 45 of 46, before tying the next night; Split with WMU, dominating them 5-1 one night. Split with Duluth, dominating them 4-1 once. That was in Denver without Poolman, and against Duluth without their goalie and essentially what would have been one of their two scoring lines in Jones, Mismash and JJ.
With the "hot goalie" and injuries, you can say "excuses." Whatever word you want to use, a level-headed analysis considers the actual facts of the situation, and those are occurrences that likely affected the outcomes. To be fair, St. Cloud had ill players when they got waxed, and all teams deal with injuries. Even setting aside these mitigating circumstances, the truth, both from the results and the play on the ice, is that UND is playing just as well as the top teams in the country. Could a program in disarray do that?
The main things I read here are: 1) They are much less talented than nearly everyone. 2) They are poorly coached. 3) They don't show up. Given that they are playing as well as the best teams in the country, those three things cannot all be true. All of those deficiencies would doom a team, they would be like Canisius (!). In fact, even just one of them probably makes a team uncompetitive against top opponents. Which suggests that actually none of them are accurate.
Of course Canisius will ultimately be the reason they fail to qualify for the tournament, if that happens. It is unfortunately another one of those things that happen in hockey. The much-derided shots on goal actually do usually reflect play, and if you drop two games when you outshoot the opponent 82-30, you just shake your head and try to make up for it the next week.
I'm personally proud of how they have persevered, the coaches and players. My timing for this post may be off, because I suspect next weekend maybe as tough or tougher than the last four. CC has been consistently good, and at times excellent, since Christmas, and they are hungry and playing at altitude. I still expect another strong effort from UND, both this weekend and for the rest of the year. I also think the next three or four years look to continue the run of excellence that started in about 1996, with only a few dips along the way.
Wait, THIS team with a lot of skill up front but less at defense? That perfectly describes the opposite of this team, so maybe you typed that backward.
I don't believe Brad Berry has driven (or is) driving this team into the ground, but I do believe it's obvious that he's out of his realm as a head coach at this level. I think his coaching style and personality are PERFECT fits for being a fantastic assistant coach, but he doesn't fit the bill as a Head coach. 3 seasons in and he still seems uncomfortable and hesitant a lot of the time. More importantly he's not making the hard decisions of cutting kids who didn't pan out, and that dead weight is holding this team back from competing at the normal high level you see from UND. Depth is tremendously important at this level due to the long hard season full of injuries and sicknesses. This team really might be 2-3 guys away from being top 5 in the country, but we'll never know with guys like Johnson, Yon, Rieger and Bob Anderson on the team. Great kids I'm sure, but they're dead weight to this team and could've been replaced by others either 1 or 2 years ago but were not. The Jr. class has been a failure to this program, so maybe things will start panning out after they get worked through.
The other big traditional hockey rich schools around the country are all struggling as well, so that gives me some comfort in knowing this isn't an isolated situation at UND, and that some of the blame goes to the changing landscape of college hockey. With that said, I think it's obvious UND has the facilities and campus+community support like no other hockey program in the country and should have an advantage over everyone for recruits, and it just hasn't been happening. I'm glad to see the pipeline coming in looks strong, because it makes me hopeful things are turning around after this long drawn out break-in period. It makes me glad because I know Berry is locked into a 5 year deal so he's probably not going anywhere.
Pretty much every college team everywhere is going to have off-ice issues, so that's a given, but I feel like it's going to keep getting worse and will have repeating offenders under a soft coach. I would've been scare to piss off Hak or Blais, but I'm not too sure I'd really be too scared of messing up under Berry.
So again, I don't think Berry is driving this program into the dirt, I just think he's going to do a good job at keeping the team about where they're at right now and where they've been the last few seasons: Middle of the pack, average, just missing the cut type of team with a good mix of a few highly skilled players, a larger amount of lower skill grinding style players, and a handful of good locker room style nice kids that bring nothing to the table and that'll hang around all 4 years providing no depth.
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2 minutes ago, Cratter said:
Grand Forks and Bismarck were statistically even in the late 80s, early 90s.
From what I've seen it appears GF was significantly larger in the early 1990s. Hung around 15,000 larger.
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31 minutes ago, Cratter said:
Minot will be bigger than Grand Forks. Just a matter of time. Grand Forks will go from the second biggest city in ND to the fourth largest.
3rd to 4th you mean? Unless you're talking about way back into the 1970s when Grand Forks was larger than Bismarck. Plus Minot has actually seen a population decline since 2015, but is starting to turn around again. Still over 10,000 behind Grand Forks.
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Gardner with another poorly timed penalty. When will he be sat to make a point? Ridiculous