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18 minutes ago, Hammersmith said:
I agree with northernraider in using MSAs instead of individual cities. By that respect, GF's growth rate is towards the bottom of the four-state MSA(ND, SD, MN, MT) and the ND micropolitan statistical areas.
Here is the list for the sake of discussion: (sorted by growth rate)
MSA Growth 2010-18 2018 Pop +53.30% Williston* 34,337 +32.79% Dickinson* 32,133 +17.58% Fargo 245,471 +16.38% Sioux Falls 265,653 +15.60% Bismarck 132,678 +13.21% Minot 78,723 +10.51% Rapid City 148,749 + 8.68% Missoula 118,791 + 8.37% Minneapolis 3,629,190 + 8.02% Billings 171,677 + 6.25% Rochester 219,802 + 5.66% St. Cloud 199,801 + 5.07% Mankato 101,647 + 3.90% Grand Forks 102,299 + 0.39% Great Falls 81,643 + 0.14% Jamestown* 21,129 + 0.13% Wahpeton* 22,927 - 0.35% Duluth 278,799 *designated as micropolitan statistical areas(μSAs); all others are metropolitan statistical areas(MSAs) this list includes all ND/SD/MN/MT MSAs and all ND μSAsThanks for the data!
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I wonder how much that would pay?
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4 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
This will end up as, how do you say it, ... he gone!
I hope not.
Definitely didn't help his chances.
His return game looked strong so I'm hoping that's his saving grace. Having that skill set, along with giving their RB corps AND WR corps some depth should give him a decent shot.
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1 hour ago, OgieOgilthorpe said:
There's nothing negative about slow and steady. If GF could keep up this pace that would be great. I'm sure you're aware of the problems uncontrolled populations can cause for communities based off of what happened in Williston, Dickinson and Minot. It's not good.
I'm honestly just mainly curious what has made GF miss out on these larger population increases we're seeing all around them? They're seeing growth yes, which is great, but for comparison since 2010 smaller Minot has grown roughly 12,000 people (14,000 at one point), Bismarck has grown roughly 20,000 people (not to mention Mandan's 7,000 or Lincoln's 2,000), Fargo has grown 35,000 people (not to mention WF's 20,000 or moorhead's 5,000) and GF has only seen about 8,000 (with virtually no growth in EGF or Thompson). Seemed alarming to me that Bismarck's ugly little brother has seen the same growth as the entire GF metro.
WOW sorry for the error on this. GF's population growth in that time was actually only about 5,000 not 8,000. So that means since 2010, Mandan has seen a larger population growth than GF while being half the size. Does that surprise anyone as much as it does me?
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1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:
I don't know much about the new Trinity building, but Trinity is generally the worst hospital in North Dakota by a wide margin.
I'd argue Atlru takes that crown with Trinity close behind
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22 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
If Grand Forks were in any other region of the country it would be the shining star of regional growth.
Instead it has oil-fueled Bismarck and Minot, and super-self-assured Fargo, as comparison points next door.
That's a little exaggerated. There are many regions around the country that are seeing growth far beyond what we're seeing in B/M and F/M areas. The F/M area just barely cracks the top 20 in the US so I'm assuming GF isn't even near the top 250...but I get your point. There are many many regions where GF would be the shining star still.
So GF is mainly missing out on the growth due to not being the capital like Biz, not being on the far edge of the oil boom like Minot and little bit of Biz, and just isn't named Fargo who is a little closer to MNPLS to feed off of.
For the record, I think it's comical listening to F/M residents speak of their city like it's a giant metro. And when they talk about MNPLS it's like they bow down to them as the megacity of the world. I rarely have the heart to explain to them how small Fargo actually is when you step back and look at the US. They'll be lucky to pass West Valley City for the 199th largest city in the US. Ever heard of it? No? Well, then no one else outside of the upper mid west has ever heard of Fargo either.
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Thank you for all the updates on the UND campus. That's very encouraging for me to see and hear about and has changed my view quite a bit on the current state of the University.
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5 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:
I know I missed a few: Old president's building. The building being turned into the new data science center or whatever - Babcock? I thought there was talks about Merrifield being renovated as some time, too? And then there is talk about a new STEM facility in the Hyslop, and a few multi-use, private-public partnership buildings along university.
Are a lot of older buildings coming down to make room for these? I can't picture many places for campus to expand, so I'm assuming it's out with the old and in with the new mostly?
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22 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Jackrabbit growth has problems of its own. I prefer slow, steady growth. Then city services can keep up.
There's nothing negative about slow and steady. If GF could keep up this pace that would be great. I'm sure you're aware of the problems uncontrolled populations can cause for communities based off of what happened in Williston, Dickinson and Minot. It's not good.
I'm honestly just mainly curious what has made GF miss out on these larger population increases we're seeing all around them? They're seeing growth yes, which is great, but for comparison since 2010 smaller Minot has grown roughly 12,000 people (14,000 at one point), Bismarck has grown roughly 20,000 people (not to mention Mandan's 7,000 or Lincoln's 2,000), Fargo has grown 35,000 people (not to mention WF's 20,000 or moorhead's 5,000) and GF has only seen about 8,000 (with virtually no growth in EGF or Thompson). Seemed alarming to me that Bismarck's ugly little brother has seen the same growth as the entire GF metro.
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3 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:
Sports were cut years ago due to budget reductions from the state. UND is building a brand new union, renovating the library, will get a new business school, and that's on top of new Wilkerson, med school, HPC, Engineering school, education building, Robin Hall, among others in the last 5 years. Med school enrollment is increasing as is aerospace. A lot of what you said is based on perspective of those certain situations..
Outside a few of those biggest projects I didn't realize there were that many other new buildings being developed so that's great to hear.
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26 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Every summer, you see more apartment buildings being built in Grand Forks. If people are leaving in droves, who is living in these units? Ghosts? (sarcasm)
I have said it before, Grand Forks has an inferiority complex and Fargo has a superiority complex. They think they are Minneapolis, but they aren't. And they should be thankful that they aren't like the Twin Cities; too many people, too much congestion and way too much stress.
Who ever said people are leaving in droves? They aren't and no one said that. Grand Forks' population can be seen more as stagnant than as booming, but yes if you look, GF is seeing a small and steady population growth, which is great! It just doesn't stack up with the 2 of the 3 comparable cities in the state.
Also, side note-- New apartment complexes going up is a combination of new people moving to town BUT even more so about turnover of older buildings. Older crippling complexes are being taken down so people shift to the next best.
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2 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:
Perhaps they meant hockey, back to back sub .500 seasons in the NCHC could be seen as failing. (I have no doubt they will be back soon though!)
And most people do think of hockey when they think of UND. And unfortunately the next two recent things that will come to mind will be the Kennedy drama and sports being cut.
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14 minutes ago, Teeder11 said:
Yes, I was curious why there is a perception that UND is a "failing" cornerstone? In comparison to what, who? By what metric is UND failing in comparison to regional/national peers? UND is booming with construction right now. A new interim president with a lot of support, enthusiasm and momentum is about to take the helm, and there is an opportunity to build on what has been a very successive strategic plan, moving forward, as we pick a new permanent leader? Hardly failing.
Not directed at you... just agreeing with your post.
My comment of the 2 cornerstone organizations failing was mostly directed at Altru instead of UND. But with UND there is an argument there: Enrollment is down, sports are being cut, President controversy, split fan base on the mascot, underpaid administrative employees, funding concerns, Ray Richards debacle, debatably the worst season for all athletics in the past decade led by a the one used-to-be strong hold of hockey. Putting pride aside, I'd say it's a fair assessment to say that UND has gone down a pretty rough patch recently.
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3 minutes ago, northernraider said:
Hospitals are expensive...CT Scanners, MRI Machines, operating rooms, these are not cheap items.
As a comparison, the new Sanford Hospital cost $494 million, Minot $383 million, Crookston $47 Million
Absolutely they are! But with other very comparable facilities popping up in the State, why is it that the Altru facility is so much more unimpressive? If you showed me Fargo Sanford, Minot Trinity and GF Altru I would've guessed Altru's facility would be less than half the cost of Trinity's.
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On 2/8/2018 at 5:45 PM, moser53 said:
Would expect Bismarck to be next $400 million. GF again last place. Will Minot or Williston overtake GF in population? West Fargo at it's current pace only a mmatter of time.
With failing corner stone organizations like Altru and UND, I think GF/EGF will continue to stay pretty stagnant while F/M and Bis/Man continue to boom. Minot will only fluctuate with fake populations deriving from oil activity, but if drilling continues to head east, and oil prices go up again, Minot will surely pass GF as well. Minot has the infrastructure to support those gains, mostly because they're already not far off. Infrastructure in Dickinson and Williston has come along way, but would need to double once again to get in the 60k supportive range so they won't pass GF for a very long time, if ever. WF will surely pass GF no problem within the next decade.
The entire NE part of the state is struggling. Check out the ND city population list of every town listed over 1,000 people. Pretty much any town listed with a population decline is in the NE part of the state outside of small hand-full. Cities showing substantial population increases are all found everywhere around ND BESIDES the NE part of the state.
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$305 Million for that? Not to be NegaTron, but that building and campus seem small, cluttered and unimpressive. I'm hoping the poor video quality, constant panning, and weird animated humans distracted from the true quality looks of what the building will look like. Anyone else think that video was odd and frustrating? Just show me a quick 360 view of the building! Why is there more focus on the moving people, cars and strange random artsy camera angles than just showing the damn building?
From what I could tell, the building honestly looks similar to the unappealing cluttered mess that Altru has going on right now. I wish a truly strong and well run healthcare system could've taken over GF during their dark times these past few years after the collapse. Check out the design plan for the new Trinity facility going up in Minot. Now THAT looks like an impressive and exciting facility! Worse yet, compare to the new Sanford facility in Fargo (it hurts to say that). Altru is just a perfect fit for last place and they never seem to know how to change that. Disappointing for the GF folks I'm sure!
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2 hours ago, John W. said:
Looks like John was their primary KR/PR last night...saw in box score Brady had a tackle....must be on special teams...Roster finalized this week...
Do you know what day this week?
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So....what's with the mystery? Who the hell is it?
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Hopefully this veteran OL just makes all the RBs look much better than they are. With a dominant OL and smart play calling, you could run the ball with your 4th string TE and have success.
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That's great to hear about Harris!
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Anyone else have any updates on how camp is going?
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Wow how the tables have turned. Just last year it appeared the RB stable was busting at the seams, now they lose 4 good players due to graduation and to being dumbasses and here we are with no depth, 100% susceptible to injuries again. Which will absolutely happen at the RB position. Mckinney and JJ will be the prime backs when healthy, but in reality, we'll be seeing a lot of the 3rd and 4th backs as well, and I'm not too confident about that anymore. Constant let downs with this team.
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20 hours ago, John W. said:
The Herald is not just about Grand Forks....there are 150,000 Minnesotans who live in NW Minny who would/do appreciate info about the Twins, Vikes, and perhaps even BSU or UMC....maybe even some folks in Piss Creek, ND follow the Twins....don't blame Fargo for elitism.....it's rampant in GF and by some on this board...
Hockey is still 'minor league'..no matter how you cut it!!!!
Overall in the USA, yes absolutely hockey is "minor league" but you have to be delusional to think hockey isn't the #1 covered, talked about and played sport in the GF surrounding area and NW MN...BY FAR.
Yes, most of the class B towns around GF only have BBall for a winter sport, so HS BBall is the #1 in those communities for High School sports..but that's it. Overall, from Devils Lake, up to Winnipeg, to Bemidji...it's an area easily dominated by a hockey following at all levels. And always has been.
Do me a favor and go check out how other HS winter sports fair in GF, Bemidji, TRF, Warroad and Roseau. Then do me a favor and ask which college sports teams all their parents follow.
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21 minutes ago, Irish said:
I agree that the new Heraldo is horrible - but to blame a "sell out to hockey" is utterly ridiculous. As I travel around the country and wear UND apparel I get lots of recognition for the great Sioux Hockey Program. The only other athletic complement I get is when they mistake our football team for the Bison. Maybe hockey is a "niche" program, but it has fans all over and allows us to be the best program in the country at the DI level with 8 National Championships as well as strong representation in the NHL. Are you saying FCS Football is less of a niche level? Or perhaps you think the Summit League is a well known and well respected conference (talk about a niche - and not a very high one). I love and support UND Football, Basketball (M & W) and Volleyball, but to think we are going to get much national recognition for these programs is indeed pie in the sky. Do I wish for more coverage of these sports - absolutely. Is it Hockey's fault - not one bit. I think Hockey is getting some good article coverage to make up for the fact that the Saturday game results are at our doorstep on Tuesday. Actually, if the Heraldo cut its annoying coverage of the Gophers there would be many more column inches available for other sports. The real problem isn't Hockey - it's that we now have the Fargo Herald.
THANK YOU! It's not a problem of which sports are getting too much coverage, it's a problem of the paper now being run out of the wrong city. The city of GF and surrounding areas are no longer top priority of coverage. Fargo is aware of the delayed sport's news and could probably fix it but they don't care enough to make it happen. It's almost if they're working on getting the GF community to turn their backs on the paper so they can have a legitimate excuse to shut it down.
Follow the GF Herald on Twitter and try not to laugh. Easily every other story is about Fargo or NDSU stories. Irish is exactly right, it's now the Fargo Herald, and it's a joke. No one in Grand Forks, Grafton or Devils Lake cares about MNPLS daily news, leave that crap for the birds in Fargo who envy Minnesota and crave recognition from their big sister.
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So from this data, the main takeaways that I can see are---
1. ND is dominating the population growth/movement in this quad-state region by showing 5 of the top 6 on this list.
2. Of the 6 largest ND MSAs , it appears that Grand Forks is the only one that can't gain traction compared to it's peers. (Wahp, J-town, DL, VC are a large step down from the main 6 hubs in ND in my opinon).
3. Oil and geographical location mostly explain it all for me, but the stunted growth of GF is still curious.