Bulk Truck
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Okay, but that doesn't address the fact that we tried to get into the Summit for baseball, but no response from them. Then we get into the WAC and all of a sudden the talking points shift. Doesn't make sense.
Also, NCHC is a premier league in the one sport they play. The creation of the Big 10 Hockey created an atmosphere where the lower budget schools in the WCHA had the voting power and UND and DU decided to make a proactive move and the addition of Miami and Western was solid IMHO.
Also, if NCHC wasn't legit, Notre Dame wouldn't have taken months to decide between NCHC and HE.
Dream on! Minnesota and Wisconsin are UND's real rivals. The NCHC is good hockey, but it is a one shot wonder and the Big 10 will ultimately surpass many if not all hockey conferences eventually.
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Douple didn't respond to UND's request to join the SL in baseball so UND found a conference that wanted them. I would think Douple and Kelley still have bad blood between them.
IMO Faison not Kelley is the wild card on this one.
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If Brian Faison was truly concerned about efficiency and keeping costs down, UND's baseball and swimming and diving would be in the SL instead of an equally dysfunctional but more expensive to travel to WAC.
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That's factually incorrect, because UNO had hockey nearly 20 years before going DI. UNO actually had to add men's soccer to satisfy the Summit, and dropped wrestling and football because of the costs and because the Summit does not sponsor those sports.
The Cornhuskers new arena was built with ice capabilty, so its not highly unlikely.
Actually the hockey program did start in 1997. The recent elimination of football and wrestling was as a result of UNO's decision to move up to D-1 in all other sports. The SL, MVFC, BSC, WAC, WWC, NCHC are all a step down from premier leagues in D-1. That is reality. The University of Nebraska Lincoln is the Big Dog on the Porch and what they do will drive the bus. It is highly unlikely, primarily because of Title IX, that another two hockey programs will magically spring up at UNL.
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Records can be misleading when 1 or 2 conferences feed on the Atlantic Hockey Conference.
1. Hockey East
2. ECAC
3. NCHC
4. Big Ten
5. WCHA
6. AH
That is how they shook out last year. I think in the near future, HE and the NCHC will fight for supremacy, but I have to agree with Bulk Truck on his point as Minnesota, Bucky, and Michigan aren't going anywhere and Penn State is committed to putting a quality team on the ice. Ohio State will never be a hockey school but if the Blue jackets maintain some success their could be a residual effect down the road and as it is now they aren't terrible and they aren't great. Sparty is a mess right now. The biggest impact on college hockey the Big 10 could have is if it adds additional hockey members(Nebraska?, Northwestern?, Illinois?, Indiana? Maryland?, Rutgers?)...if 3 years down the road the Big 10 hasn't added any additional teams the move to form a conference will have been terrible for college hockey in general. I think if a couple Big 10 teams jump you could see conference expansion in other areas as well(Texas, Arizona State, Iowa State, FGCU to name a few).
Nebraska-Omaha gave up two relatively successful sports in football and wrestling to add hockey. It is highly unlikely that Nebraska-Lincoln will add hockey as a Big 10 member, but nobody knows for sure.
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I think he's referring to a merger between FCS and the G5.
NDSU grad? Now there is a contradiction in terms in the eyes of some! There will only be movement between the have nots in FBS and the upper echelon in FCS if it is driven by the number of scholarships. 63 to 85, 85 to 75, or something along that line. Now this is IMO only, not gospel as darell would espouse.
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Fullerton said the league is always considering expansion for the 12-team league (13 for football).
“There are some schools out there that we monitor,” he said. “And if we’re ever able to create that merger piece, I think we might get to 16 schools.”
In the above excerpt from the Herald article, Fullerton says "if we're ever able to complete that merger piece, I think we might be able to get to 16 schools."
What merger piece is he referring to? Is it SiouxVolley's theory on the Sunbelt? Is he looking at a merger with another FCS conference? Am I reading to much into that comment?
Fullerton is in large measure a big bag of wind and likes to hear himself talk. The former AD from Montana Jim O'Day would
make a far better commissioner of the BSC.
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NDSU will never get into the MVC. There are schools ahead of you they would choose before you guys...like your rivals to the south of you to name one.
Never is a pretty strong word, but even a blind pig can find an acorn once in awhile so even though I have disagreed with darell and my other brother Darell many times, I have to say he nailed it on his comment about NDSU in the MVC. That's not a long term solution to anything it's primary focus is basketball. NDSU and SDSU have taken bold steps before on a unified basis. They no longer HAVE to be linked at the hip in order to move forward.
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Two chances slim and none! And by golly slim just left town!
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With the initiation of hockey at Penn State, the Big 10 now had enough teams to form their own hockey conference under the umbrella of the Big 10. Six teams were needed to obtain an automatic qualifier for post season play. Hockey is one of a limited few of major sports in the Big 10 where only six out of the now 14 schools participate. There may be some growth here and it will be in large part be driven by the financial resources of the conference in general. Hockey is a great sport, but it is not cheap and Title IX immediately comes into play. There are schools in the Big 10 that have a rich hockey tradition very similar to UND. How that tradition will impact expansion to the other 8 schools remains to be seen.
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If there are any solutions to the dysfunctional nature of Higher Ed in ND it will probably will follow the Beatles song, It don't come easy!
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Like it or not, the Big 10 hockey conference has significant upside potential.It has high profile schools, ample money to fund the programs, it has at least 4 programs with strong traditions and will only get stronger IMO as time goes on.
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The previous post asks a question, ok that's fine. IMO the post being referenced is quite clear.
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It many matters like this there is collateral damage. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown!
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Good stuff, Thanks
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While FBS looks down on FCS until one or both of the following changes, for the most part, the games will continue: 1)They can pay significantly less (50%+) than they'd pay a low-tier FBS team for a guarantee game and 2) One win against FCS a year is allowed to count towards their bowl game total which is a big team for some mid-level teams.
Correct, but FBS doesn't like to lose any of those games one bit. Eastern Washington over Oregon State and NDSU over Kansas State had to be especially painful for a lot of folks!
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The MVFC, BSC, SL, WWC, WAC, and sadly the NCHC are not going to be premier D-1 conferences no matter how many ways anyone attempts to explain, rationalize, or justify their existence. That is IMO a fact of life, AAA baseball, the minor leagues, or whatever term someone cares to use.
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1. To the FBS and more specifically the P5 conferences FCS is not D-1 it is D-1AA.
2. FBS views FCS, with few if any exceptions, as at best a necessary evil when it comes to scheduling.
3. Everything to lose and very little to gain would be another way to describe the FBS towards FCS.
4. It is really no different with FCS vs D-2 or D-2 towards D-3.
5. Until a D-1 program chooses to elevate its' FCS football program to FBS, that will remain a stark reality.
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NCHC is legit. We get shafted because we get no games for football and should get a higher percentage of the contracted games for hockey.
The NCHC is made up of schools that play great hockey, but nobody can ever tell me that UND's two greatest traditional hockey rivalries weren't Minnesota and Wisconsin. Games will sporadically continue, but unless all three are in the same league it will never quite be the same.
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It just sucks because we get shafted with both the NCHC and BigSky TV deals...
Those two conferences are just like the Summit and MVFC conferences for the other Dakota schools, it's the minor leagues.
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I agree, UND did that during transition only to fill the schedule. Now it wouldn't be good.
You are correct. In 2010 UND played FBS Idaho and Northern Illinois and in 2011 it was Idaho and Fresno State. Actually UND had their best efforts against Northern Illinois and Fresno State, historically the better programs than Idaho. Football can be a funny game.
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I would love to see Big 10 schools but they are too scared to play the FCS. It's not so much should we play the FBS (I think we should) it's will the FBS play us. If they (all FBS teams) ban playing the FCS it could kill the teams that financially need it like the Idaho States and Northern Colorados.
Item # 4 post # 2293. There are currently 11, maybe more, FBS teams looking for games on one September weekend alone in 2015. Not scheduling FCS might make sense in theory, but it may not work in practice,
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Should UND schedule an additional FBS game during one or two of the years ahead?
1. The payday would help the budget. Anywhere between $400,000 to a $1,000,000 could be the number.
2. The additional exposure would be beneficial.
3. If that extra FBS could be scheduled against someone where there is a reasonable chance to win the exposure goes up dramatically.
4. FBS can talk all they want about not wanting to schedule FCS teams, but if they are going to play 12 games per year they have to schedule those games with somebody.
5. NDSU gambled with that philosophy in 2006 with Ball State and Minnesota and in 2007 with Central Michigan and Minnesota.
It paid off for them they were 3-1 , but that was in the transition years without playoffs at stake.
6. Playing a reasonably stronger schedule is usually the hallmark of any successful program.
7. I had this discussion in Grand Forks the other day with a good friend with a UND background of support.
8. I would be interested in what the thoughts of Sioux Sports posters might be.
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Idaho is FBS and yet they are nothing but a shadow of their true peers UND, Montana U, Montana State and Idaho State in terms of comparison in the Big Sky Conference. Idaho for almost 20 years has been a lost soul in D-1 athletics.
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You might be right, but it is my opinion that you are not! Please work on your sentence structure, punctuation to some extent, spelling and capitalization first and then bellyache some more later!