HowBoutThemBison?
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Yes, what moron makes fun of a natural disaster and how that destroys lives? I am sure karma will be making its rounds with him soon enough (you know .... if you wish or make fun of bad happening to someone else bad usually finds you out, too). There's a strange "He wants you, too, Malachi" "Children of the Corn" reference there.
He got banned at Bisonville, makes your karma comment a little bit funny. Specially because it was only a day later.
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Wow! You really are insensitive aren't you... What you just said was racist and horribly stereotypical. With that kind of a statement some might refer to you as an asshat.
Yes, I'm very insensitive. And to he who said I might be Lakes, no, he types in ALL CAPS and misspells a lot of words. Stereotypical....definitely, as we all know, stereotypes don't come out of nowhere. I personally would have much less of a problem with natives if they took advantage of opportunities given to them. Have you guys been to Belcourt? Please do, talk to people who have lived there who are not natives. I have absolutely nothing against the natives who do a good job advancing in life.
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Your use of a slang word here is inappropriate, disrespectful of Native American culture, and is part of the problem. Obviously you have the right to free speech, but please consider others in your use of vocabulary that may be considered racist by others.
Trust me, I have considered it. I don't know what culture you are really referring to anymore. 200 years ago, they had a culture, nowadays....not really. The only "Native" I can honestly say I respect is Payton DeCoteau from your football team. Damn good wrestler and seemed like a good guy.
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JUST IGNORE HIM!!!
JUST IGNORE THAT AN AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BY UND!!! Seriously though, they got it in ink, it will be tough to make that go away. Think of it this way, you guys work as a GM for the Vikings. Jared Allen signs a deal for 4 years/35 million. Later when he finds out he could have gotten 45 million he tells you that he deserves a new deal just a week later, and that he will sue you for that extra 10 million. He doesn't really have a case. Neither does UND.
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I have no doubt that Bison football fans travel well. However this is a different situation than it was in the Metrodome. The Gophers football stadium will only be in it's second year of operation. Plus they have a new coach which will breath some fresh air into the program and get the fan base a bit excited, at least initially. Factor those two items in and I would have to guess the tickets will be more difficult to come by. I don't see 10-15,000 for this game...I could be wrong but my guess would be closer to 5,000-6,000.
We'll see what happens I suppose. Hopefully its more than 5 grand but if not, oh well. As long as I can see the team play I will be happy.
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to be fair bison are just big, stupid animals. the Sioux are a people of rich tradition and history who have fought for centuries against those who meant to do them harm and belittle their beliefs and ways of life, which i believe is happening again with all this "hostile and abusive" nonsense and the Sioux people continue to fight against that one, the irony of which i've pointed out a couple dozen times on other threads.
so, although i believe your tune would change were you truly confronted with the prospect of losing your logo and nickname, i don't think it's a fair comparison when ndsuers say things along the lines of: "we'd be willing to get rid of our giant beast of a mascot so why don't you guys just get over it and let the ncaa, unethically, force you to drop a nickname and logo that pays homage to a people who deserve the respect that comes with that very nickname and logo".
Rich tradition and history who have fought for centuries? Bud, Wounded Knee was 120 years ago. Since then, all the "sioux" have done is sit on reservations...drink cheap alcohol, smoke a lot, live in their own filth, get fat, and complain about their "people" having land stolen from them. And if it pays them so much "homage" why didn't the one tribe not even vote?
I've told people before that I would be more than happy to be the Farmers or Aggies, it is a nickname. A NICKNAME. Not like they are shutting down the program.
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I must disagree.
The NCAA capitulated with all of the above listed schools, INCLUDING North Dakota. The settlement agreement came at the earliest of stages in the litigation. Discovery was barely complete, if completed at all, when the NCAA jumped into the settlement. The NCAA also capitulated even earlier with the other schools. The NCAA has yet to ever take a school to trial over this matter. The NCAA has yet to even get as far as a summary judgment argument with any school over this matter. The closest the NCAA came to court action over the indian-name-issue was North Dakota, and that case settled almost instantly (instantly when looking at the legal time-line and procedural process). The NCAA has a significant track record of capitulating on this issue. Florida State, Illinois, Central Michigan, Utah, and North Dakota -- any school that challanged the NCAA on this matter actually won.
You can agrue the merits and quality of the settlement reached between ND and the NCAA. But in the end, the NCAA SETTLED. The NCAA has never attempted to take this issue to an actual trial. The NCAA has never even attempted to take this matter to a summary judgment discussion. The NCAA has never even risked taking this issue to mediation. The NCAA has done everything possible to avoid media scrutiny of this issue (up to and including cancelling simple fact-finding meetings in Bismarck, North Dakota, if the doors were open to the public). One has to wonder how dedicated the NCAA is to this cuase if they are unwilling to open their opinions to the media.
This is not pro-nick-name rose-colored glasses. These are actually facts.
Just disagree with the concept of the NCAA not giving-in on this issue. All they have done, since they enacted this absurd and arbitrary ruling, is give in.
Ok, while they may have settled(your post makes sense), they gave UND time, around 3 years if I am correct. UND signed off on it, and couldn't get it done. We can discuss the one tribe not voting over and over again for an eternity but the only important part is exactly that. UND didn't get them to agree. So by the agreement, UND has to give up their nickname. Plain and Simple. The other schools did what they had to do to get it passed for them, UND didn't. UND has also been having issues for quite some time even before the NCAA made this rule.** Just let the nickname go, I'm not saying be happy about it, im not saying celebrate it, but let it go. The Oilers became the Titans, life went on. It is at the end of the day, a nickname. If they keep the name and get sanctioned, UND's football team gets hurt by it.
** I do not agree with the rule, but it is a rule that they made for their association.
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I'll bet not even close. This isn't the cavernous Metrodome, NDSU will have about 3-4k fans at the game if they are lucky and overpay for tickets. I am fairly certain that 15k others won't just show up to hang around campus. Plus, the stadium isn't downtown.
Can't overpay to see the Herd rocking and rolling. We'll see what happens(result of the game, how many fans are representing the herd there) I'll guess about 10-15 thousand herd fans.
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HowBoutThemBison? isn't my favorite poster on this forum, but I think he's closer to being a realist than many of you are giving him credit for. (nonsensical posts, of course, aside) I've fought this nickname fight vocally and financially, and was heartbroken when it took a path I didn't like. The fact is, we settled our suit. We didn't meet the terms of the settlement to keep the name for reasons I'm too frustrated to discuss. Now, the johnny-come-latelys are bring the fight back and making UND look like a pack of fools. WHERE WAS YOUR SUPPORT WHEN WE NEEDED IT? WHERE WAS YOUR ACTION WHEN WE NEEDED IT?
NEWSFLASH: IT'S TOO DAMNED LATE!!!!
Good piece by another vocal supporter of the nickname - I share his sentiments almost verbatim:
http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/201422
I do know one thing: It is time to put this issue to rest. We have squandered too much time, money and reputation on this fruitless fight with forces beyond our control.
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I enjoyed the article and it hit the nail on the head. The NCAA is upset that North Dakotans and UND alumni won't get with the program like so many other schools did and just capitulate. I am so proud that North Dakota did not simply throw up its hands and accept defeat on this issue.
If all we're looking at are sanctions as previously outlined, I say see how that plays out before we all start screaming that the sky is falling. I am still hopeful that the NCAA will meet with tribal and state leadership, although it will be on their turf in INDIANapolis, if it happens. They're too scared to come to little old North Dakota, I guess. Hmmm... open door meeting policy in the sunshine instead of behind closed doors was too threatening for an organization that is anything but transparent I guess.
The NCAA would find that we're not a bunch of dumb rubes who don't "get" the bigger picture. Very intelligent people, from different political and cultural perspectives have reached a different conclusion. The Fighting Sioux moniker is not racist, degrading, or insensitive. Believe me, if that were the case, the Spirit Lake tribal members would be the first to want it gone. Instead, they wear the Sioux logo with pride. The Sioux Nation is part of North Dakota... and all of us, too. I hope North Dakotans don't back down from this issue one bit. We're right. They're wrong. It's that simple.
The big cases (Florida St., Utah, Central Mich) didn't capitulate. They just got the approval.
The Sioux nation is apart of some of North Dakota. Don't throw us all into one basket. I sure as hell do not have a drop of "Injin" blood in me. Just Tiger blood, me and charlie sheen.
They aren't wrong. Their club, their rules. Essentially.....anyone BUT them is wrong.
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If I know Grand Forks sports fans like I think I do, they will not take to well to the idea of going back to the great outdoors for Sioux Football after getting comfortable inside the Alerus.
Thats the thing in Fargo too
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Did anyone happen to hear anything about the Herd Terds this year that was covered outside of the fargo forum and the grand forks herald? I think the problem people in fargo are having is the news about the Sioux nickname has had more press than NDSU has had their entire existence...I always like how the fargo folks take such pride in being erroneously associated with real Division I championship hockey, but you never hear anyone confuse UND with the supposed FCS powerhouse out of fargo because most folks outside of ND don't even know there is a college in fargo to begin with...this should help feed the trolls...
BobIwabuchiFan
P.S. I am watching that all American from UND right now in the playoffs or should I say the many all-Americans...still looking for someone from the NDSU all-century basketball team whenever I quite watching golf and decide to watch the last 3 minutes of the NBA playoff games....
I'll be honest, you don't hear much about either school. Lately if you read some of the backwater sports websites they'll have a short article about the UND nickname issues, but no press is better than bad press. If UND makes the Frozen Four, they'll make it onto espn for a couples minutes with the other 3 teams. If NDSU wins against Kansas, Minnesota, something like that, they'll get on for a coupple minutes. NDSU isn't an FCS powerhouse, maybe sometime, but not right now. And no Bison fans take any pride in being associated with "Division I championship hockey," about half the teams aren't even D-I that are members of D-1. And lets be real here, I can tear apart any argument UND folks throw out there. UND folks will believe they can tear apart any of my arguments. The one thing you guys will never be able to touch(PETA INVOLVEMENT PENDING), is our nickname, Go Bison! 8>1 "Whioux Suck S hit"
P.S. We don't really worry too much about hockey all-americans, how many are United States citizens, Parise is I know, but other than him? last I checked being Canadian pretty much means you have to play hockey because you are too small/slow or all of the above to play basketball or football.
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2 things: 1. What would cost more upgrading Memorial Stadium into the "FBS" type stadium or tearing down all of Memorial Stadium and building a whole new stadium on the same site, and second who would have thought we could have gone from a 6,067 seat REA to a 12,000+ new REA and have sellout after sellout. You put a good product on the field people will come. If you are a cellar dweller (E. Michigan type) people won't show. I think 25,000 would be a good number.
I'm not trying to be a hater....but I will say it again, 25,000 isn't in the cards for UND. Start selling out the Alerus before you put too much thought into a new stadium(unless you receive a nice big check, in which case, do something fun with it.)
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Fact. People on both sides can sit here and say "we don't care about UND/NDSU" but I am one who misses the weeks, games and friendly smack for all sports.
Yeah, you guys with the exception of this guy assume everyone who isn't a UND fan on here is a troll. A troll tries to make people mad and ruin there day, I have yet to do that so far(especially on this thread), so as for trolling, I think it'd be safe to say the way you guys are talking about NDSU that would make you guys trolling on this thread, as NDSU really doesn't have much to do with UND possibly receiving a nice big donation for the football program.
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I agree with just about everything you're saying. As far Ray Richards golf course's location it is straight north about a half mile from the Alerus and across the street at the corner of Demers and 42nd street.
Nice to meet a Sioux fan who kind of understands the whole process of football and UND's current situation regarding it. I hate everything about UND (specially this idiot trying to say UND can rock a 25,000 stadium right now), but someone not spouting off on me for saying UND really doesn't have what it takes at this point in time to put 25,000 people in a stadium is always nice.
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& you are just a contrarian trying to make trouble & we don't like the tune or words to your music
& I think you are also in a small minority as far as the Bison name, in my analogy
Oh of course some NDSU folks would get pretty bent up about the Bison name thing, I'd also put myself on record as calling them idiots. Its like not liking the Tenessee Titans because you liked the name Oilers more.
And the Tune of my music, is Viva La Vida, lyrics modified to show how UND is hurting itself.
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Bison fans were saying the same thing about the REA while it was being built, that we could never fill it and it was a waste of money. UND has a much larger fan base than NDSU, it's not even close. We could easily have attendance well over 25,000 in the right conference, with a good team, and a great facility. I'm so sick of Bison fans coming to our boards to spit poison on our potential. UND is the flag ship institution in the state of North Dakota and that name recognition is extremely attractive to expanding conferences, it's the main reason the Big Sky sent us an invitation and sent you a rejection letter. We have to start building toward the future and that involves bringing football back to campus in a stadium that will be the toast of FCS. We have to think bigger because we are better! Please go troll somewhere else.
Big Sky came down to NDSU vs. Northern Colorado, they got it, we didn't. At the time, they were doing really well in football, we were only doing ok. Its all good. Their athletic program isn't doing so good, ours is doing much better.
Lik Johnny5 said, 25,000 is pretty well impossible. I wouldn't even venture to say UND has a MUCH LARGER FAN BASE, although having hockey probably does give them the edge, if you do football fans, NDSU is probably going to have more, I think attendence figures will suggest that.
UND is also not really the flagship anymore, kinda 1a. and 1b. sort of thing. That name recognition is the exact same as NDSU's, which is only average. I think most of you can agree with me on that, people from outside of North Dakota get us two schools confused all of the time. I've had people tell me that NDSU hockey sure brought a lot of fans to St. Paul, obviously thats incorrect. My friends have had people say it was cool to see North Dakota do well in the FCS playoffs. Don't try and convince yourself that UND is the next Boise or anything, because neither UND nor NDSU is.
I was not trolling bud, simply said 25,000 seems a little out of the question. 15-18,000 like that one of you suggested seems a lot more reasonable. First things first however, get a team that people want to come watch. Unless the product on the field improves, people don't come watch. I don't know a lot about where that golf course is. Is it near campus?
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Thanks GeauxSioux! I have been looking for those renderings everywhere on the net! It's a shame the horse shoe stadium isn't in the plan anymore it's a beautiful looking facility. The only thing I don't like about the retractible roof stadium (other than cost) is that it only seats 25,000 seats. Although it would be sufficient for a while, UND is sure to outgrow it once making the jump to a bigger FBS conference. I wish we were going with the horse shoe
I don't think UND would ever need a stadium that holds more than 15,000 for the forseeable future. You are not going FBS anytime in the next 10 years. Name a conference that is looking for a team that RIGHT NOW, isn't very good. The conferences will snatch up the bigger onces (like Montana, Appalachian St., Jacksonville St., Villanova, etc.) Your team averaged what, like 7,000 fans this year. I'm sorry to rain on the parade but UND simply doesn't have the football demand or program right now for some 25,000 person stadium. FBS is a really tough thing from what I've been reading, schools UND/NDSU size actually lose money almost everytime they go to a bowl game. Just be happy in the Big Sky once your in and once you are competitive again.
Btw, whoever said the Alerus is bad for football is right. Bad atmosphere, bad design, should have continued playing at Memorial Stadium. Maybe spend a big donation on re-doing the old stadium?
Sorry for the rant but seeing someone upset about a 25,000 fan stadium when you only get 7-10 thousand fans usually, makes me a little fired up. Sioux people know hockey, I know football, and UND can't fill up a stadium that size for now.
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If PETA could convince the ncaa that animal names were not right for human teams - how would the Bison Fans react ?
Me and the dad discussed this already. My mom asked us what we'd think, I can care less what the Bison are called. I cheer for North Dakota State University, the Bison just happens to be our nickname. We were the Farmers a long time ago, if we were that now, I doubt it would affect how much I like the team. In the end, it is a nickname, not worth getting your school into more and more hot water. From the light reading I've done, the nickname has brought only more harm than good to the University. If you are a Sioux fan more than a University of North Dakota fan, well then I guess your sad little world is coming down. The writing has been on the wall since the 90's, time to face the music.
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I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but the NCAA isn't trying to get rid of the program, just the program name. They will let them play either way, but if they play as the 'Fighting Sioux' they will face sanctions. They never wanted them to leave.
I think someone mentioned sueing them for anti-trust, which I THINK implies they have a sort of monopoly. I'm not super educated on the topic, I sleep in economics all the time. So that is why I brought up anti-trust, if someone who actually has knowledge on the topic of anti-trust and if UND could make a case for it, I'd be really grateful.
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Its media envy they have down there. We have all the attention and they don't...sorry their baseball team isn't on pace to contend in Omaha.
Yes, our baseball team blows, I actually read about our team a couple years ago in the USA Today, they threw a no-hitter and STILL lost! Thank God we don't put a whole lot of effort into baseball.
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Let me clarify my thoughts, It sounded to me like the legislature may have(or may not have, you guys would know more than I would) sounded like UND could not make concessions such as wearing alternate jerseys for championships. Also, the thoughts I've seen around makes it seem like the BTHC was going to try and play a lot of games against the WCHA and CCHA because 6 or 7 teams really won't be enough for the conference to be a traditional conference right now as we know it. Also from what I've heard(nothing official, just rumors), some folks think since out east, a lot of the schools are politically correct with everything, a lot of them will blacklist UND as well. That is entirely rumors right now but you guys can see what I'm getting at.
I feel like you guys are really throwing the football team up there under the bus now, you guys know you can't host playoff games now. How bad would that suck if you went 11-0 in the Big Sky(pretty solid conference), and then had to travel to say.....a 7-4 team from the CAA or SoCon? I just think it seems unfair to the football program is all.
As for the media envy thoughts, I'm fine with the bad press UND is getting, its about time considering our football team in fargo, (best buy theft, solicitation of a minor, etc.) You guys are taking a ton of pressure off of NDSU haha.....well, sort of....not really.
*I shall put myself on record as I usually do, saying I do not think that UND should have to change their nickname, it really isn't the NCAA's business. They really shouldn't worry too much. However, it does seem like UND is the only school that has had trouble getting the proper support(Utah, Central MIch. Florida St. have all had no issues that I have seen so far) Now do I think it'd be funny if the crap hits the fan up north? Yes.
Very sorry for rubbing you guys the wrong way, I just think you guys are making a big big mistake right now. I hope everything works out fine for UND, I enjoy the little mud slinging contests the fans of each school have from time to time.
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I might be wrong, but I think it's like this:
The NCAA is the Big Kid on the playground, and he controls what everybody plays and who they play with.
UND is the kid on the playground who has gotten under the Big Kids skin for a certain reason, along with a few other kids.
The Big Kid says to the kids in trouble, you have to get a girl to kiss you to get back in the game, except for little kid UND...he has to get 2 girls to kiss him.
The other kids find a girl who will kiss them, but UND can only find 1...not the 2 necessary to get back in the game.
Big Kid says "OK UND, since you could not do what I asked you to do, you can come back and play, but your name will have to be 'Mary' from now on.
UND says, "But I don't like the name Mary, I'm a boy!".
Big Kid says "Tough beans Mary, you either change your name to Mary or you quit the game forever".
UND says "But there is no other game, you have the only game in town".
Big Kid thinks about it and says "Tell you what Mary, you can come back and play and still be called UND, but I'm never going to let you pick the game and always make sure you get the short end of every deal forever".
UND says "But that's not fair, I'm going to tell the principal and he will make you play fair with me".
Big Kid says "Go ahead and tell, he can't tell me who to play with and how to play".
UND tells the principal, who sits at his desk and ponders his options...
The principal:
1) Cannot make the Big Kid play with UND if Big Kid doesn't want to.
2) Cannot find another game for UND to play in because Big Kid controls all the kids on the playground.
3) Cannot change UND's name to Mary because UND's Mom and Dad debated it and voted that his name would legally stay UND forever.
Principal is in a bind, Big Kid controls the game, UND/Mary is stuck in the middle.
Only one last recourse for the principal, he must decide whether to take it to the all-mighty final word...the School Board. But can they really tell Big Kid who he has to play with and how to play? It's his game, UND/Mary only wants to be a part of something that the Big Kid owns, not UND/Mary and not the School system.
Again principal sits at his desk and ponders his options...
And that is where we are at today.
As of right now, we are not living happily ever after.
The NAIA is independent of the NCAA correct? As I am not a lawyer, or anything close to that, I am probably way off but couldn't the NCAA say there are other College Athletic Associations out there that may accept the University of North Dakota?
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You folks that cheer for UND have no idea what you are getting yourselves into. The NCAA can mess up your schools athletics programs so bad the only way you guys will know each teams records from each other will be how many games they usually play. You'll see a lot of 3-8's and 10-20's across the board if you don't fix this !@#$ now. The NCAA, is a large organization, the University of North Dakota made an agreement with them back in '07(I think it's 07?) saying they had a couple years to get support. They didn't get the support. Plain and Simple.
Now the Legislature messes you guys up even more now. Saying you must use the logo and name all the time. Well, funny thing we all know is that UND has the logo on their hockey jerseys, another funny thing is that the NCAA says you can't have your logo on your jerseys at post-season events. So now you might not even be allowed into the hockey championships which you guys all love sooo much, because of some state law you guys are all cheering. Thats without me even mentioning some schools have/are considering putting you guys on a blacklist of teams they won't play because of nickname/logo issues. Retire the name, find a new one. Make the circus stop. Cause in the end, we all know who it is biting in the ass.
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Ironic, Isn't It?
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You seem to make the nickname thing out to be a little more meaningful than it is.
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