krangodance
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I will say this one more time: It...is...not...an...option.
Your "hypothetical quesiton" is not even a valid point of discussion because the NCAA would never allow a school to have just one sport each for men and women. You hockey-only types love to preach that "hockey drives the bus". Well, what is the point of having a bus without any passengers? And what was the point of moving up to Division I if everything is going to revolve around hockey and what REA, Inc. wants? We are losing ground to the Ag College in Fargo every year this nickname fight drags on and I am sick and tired of it.
uh-oh, an angry face!
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Do you think the NCAA would meet with the tribes? Not here, and I can see them telling the SL and or SR no to a meet in Indy as they are busy.
Obviously you're right. The NCAA doesn't care what the Native Americans have say (therin lies the biggest problem) and they're not going to give anybody an opportunity to discuss this issue with them any further. I think the percentage of people who believe this situation is going to change anything is very small but that doesn't mean this development is moot.
If this story gets enough exposure it could be significant. Certainly those of us who watch this forum regulary are well aware that the majority of people who this NCAA policy is supposed to protect are actuallly against dropping the name. The general public, on the other hand, do not realize that Native Americans themselves are opposed to dropping the name. If a larger percentage of the population become privvy to the fact that the pleas from the Native Americans on the name and logo issue have been ignored in favor of the loud voices of those who are not Native Americans then that could open the door for some serious accusations against the NCAA that would influence how they move forward on issues like this in the future.
I know that there's a widely held belief that the NCAA doesn't care what others think and will just do whatever they want regardless of public opinion. While I agree with that to a point I'm confident that even an organization as unwavering as the NCAA will not enjoy a reputation for trampling on the opinions of minorities simply to push a policy that has no basis in fact and they'll make a stronger effort to include the opinions of those most affected by their decisions.
Let's face it. It's a bunch of rich guys in suits saying the the Sioux logo is "hostile and abusive" while Native Americans on tribal lands are saying "excuse me? why is our likeness hostile and abusive?". If that angle, which tells the true story, were to become more widely recognized over the angle that UND is somehow oppressing or ridiculing Native Americans then the NCAA would be hearing complaints from a lot more people than just the relative few who pay attention to UND.
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So now Bison fans are telling everyone it was the Semi-Finals?
Well it was the quarter-finals actually but the better team did not win that game. The Bison outplayed EWU but just had some missteps and poor calls at the end. EWU went on to win the NC.
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My guess is he is referring to last year, when they lost to EWU in the FCS Semis...
They should have won that game too. I'm not a Bison fan but they got screwed. They screwed themselves plenty at the end of that game but the refs ultimately gave the game away in the final minutes.
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There are a lot of Bison fans on this site, they are also Sioux hockey fans. For either fan base to suggest that one program is superior to the other or has moved on is laughable. In five years once UND has become post-season eligible and has played the Big Sky, etc they wil be on equal footing. No one has "forgot" about anything. Some Bison fans can claim SDSU or UNI is their big football rival.....some UND fans will claim Montana State or Montana is their big rival in the future.....BS. Nothing gets the blood boiling on a beautiful fall day like UND/NDSU.
Amen
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Florida and Florida State have no problem with their OOC rivalry. I just don't get why playing UND every year is "stupid". You have 3 OOC games just like us. There is NO requirement that you have to have a FBS game, or 6 home games.
Not to mention the NDSU - UND would be likely as profitable as any other game these schools could hope to schedule.
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A Russian jet carrying a top ice hockey team crashed while taking off Wednesday in western Russia, killing at least 43 people and leaving two critically injured, officials said.
The Russian Emergency Situations Ministry said the Yak-42 plane crashed immediately after leaving an airport near the city of Yaroslavl, on the Volga River about 150 miles (240 kilometers) northeast of Moscow. It was carrying 45 people, including 37 passengers and eight crew, and the ministry said all but two people were killed in the crash.
All of our quibbling over our nickname has nothing over this sad event...
I just saw this on yahoo news. This is horrible.
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Two Alaska teams in the same conference makes zero sense...imagine having to make 2 trips up to Alaska in the same season...
Looks like you may not have to only imagine it: http://ndgoon.blogspot.com/2011/07/university-of-alaska-fairbanks-to-wcha.html?m=1
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They thought they were wrong once ... but they were mistaken.
Damn circular logic. I spent three hours today trying to figure this out.
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The University of Minnesota men
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Two Alaska teams in the same conference makes zero sense...imagine having to make 2 trips up to Alaska in the same season...
Imagine making 9+ trips from Alaska to the mainland every year...The Alaskan schools do it.
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Reality? From a Sioux fan? Thats funny.
You're saying that if somebody chooses to attend University at UND they will automatically lose touch with reality, regardless of any other aspect of his/her life.
Well in that case: All people who bowl on Tuesdays hate cilantro.
Sure, why not? As long as we're making illogical generalizations here.
The irony is you used a completely unrealistic comment to argue against a claim that you're out of touch with reality. Classic!
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So if the Big Sky picks up hockey in a few years, UND will be obligated to drop out of the new conference and play hockey in the Big Sky or get kicked out in all sports?
Of course not. The Gopher argument on this matter is ridiculous.
Oh, and by the way, I'm fine with the BTHC now that it appears things are shaking out alright. I mean, if the formation of the BTHC ends up being a catalyst to UAH finding a home and other teams starting up hockey then GO BTHC! (well - I mean go and exist, I won't be rooting for those teams very often).
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Certainly isn't UMNs fault that Penn State started a program that made this thing a go from the start. Anyway, pointing fingers does nothing. I'm missing Bison-Sioux football games, I hope the same doesn't happen to Gophers-Sioux hockey.
If both of these conferences stay at six members then I'm confident that the Gopher-Sioux rivalry can survive. 16 non-conference games (eight series) is a lot.
If either conference grows it will be tougher to keep that rivalry going but I'd be surprised if they didn't meet up in the regular season at least every other year and certainly often in the post season.
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And a lot of UND fans are blaming UM and UW when in reality they had no choice, while UND DID have a choice. I have NO problem at all with UND's decision but they certainly had a choice unlike UM and UW.
Ha! Welcome to reality.
It's well documented that UW was leading the drive in the creation of the BTHC and UM certainly is allowed to think for themselves.
Nobody's buying the "they had not choice" argument.
I don't care anymore though. I think the future is bright for college hockey <knock on wood>.
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There are more and more reports stating that four AHA schools, Robert Morris, Canisius, Niagara, and Mercyhurst are looking at sliding over to the CCHA, shifting that conference east and centering it around Lake Erie. That's all the more reason for NMU to leave. Lake Sup St could still live with that geography. Since Atlantic Hockey only allows 12 scholarships, that kind of move would be good for college hockey, as four more programs would be "all in".
CCHA:
Lake Sup St
Ferris St
Bowling Green
W Mich (maybe)
Mercyhurst
Robert Morris
Canisius
Niagara
UAHuntsville (hopefully)
Perhaps Grand Valley State could add hockey too, giving that league manageable divisions.
If Atlantic Hockey is down to 8 schools, they would have room to add Navy and Rhode Island, which have both been long rumored as possible additions. Except for RIT and AFA, Atlantic Hockey would then be an I-95 conference.
Sounds like there's a lot of opportunity for growth in the sport. Hopefully some of these things come to be because I think we can all agree that more college hockey teams is a great thing.
If college hockey grows as a result of this shake up I'll gladly eat crow for being one of those stating that the BTHC would negatively impact the future of college hockey.
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My perfect world:
BTHC:
UMN
UM
UW
PSU
MSU
OSU
NCHC:
UND
DU
CC
UMD
UNO
Miami
ND
W.Mich
WCHA:
SCSU
MSU-Mankato
MSU-Moorhead
BSU
UA-Anchorage
UA-Fairbanks
CCHA:
MTU
LSSU
N.Mich
Ferris St
BGSU
UAH
I know some people don't like the idea of both Alaska schools in the same conference but, geographically speaking, this makes the most sense. Plus it would be nice for those two schools to have two conference series within their own state every year, one series at home and one on the road.
Even if one of the Alaska schools were swapped with one of the CCHA schools in my break-out, that would be cool too. The thing I'd most like to see is keeping the WCHA and CCHA at six teams each. That way they'd each have a 20-game conference schedule, giving them 16 games to schedule outside of the conference. That many non-conference games will allow them to play at least a couple teams that they'll need to play in order to boost their PWR.
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FCS stands for Football Championship Subdivision. That is for football only, or like PizzaDave calls it IAA. If you are a DI school, you are DI. Hockey is a true DI sport, has nothing to do with FCS, completely different. Same as basketball, true DI, even though you might play FB at a FCS level. The attendance figures you posted are laughable. Again, FCS is about football only, unless you are saying that UND hockey is at a lower level than a school that plays FBS football?? If that's the case, let's add in other DI hockey schools that play FBS, I mean let's compare peer to peer. What is U of M or Wisconsin, or whatever for full attendance. B/C when you add DI hockey into your football attendance, that is what you are doing.
Actually he did compare peer to peer. He compared D1 schools who compete at the FCS level in football. To compare D1/FCS to D1/FBS would not be peer to peer. Does anybody (besides forumcrew) actually think that comparing schools that compete at the FCS level with the likes of Alabama, Texas and Florida State is a fair comparison? Those schools have stadiums that seat, what, 80,000, 100,000, or more? I don't know the exact numbers but it's a lot and they sell them out every weekend.
What you're suggesting would be equivalent to comparing a minor league baseball team's attendance to the average MLB team attendance. What star did was equivalent to comparing all minor league baseball team's attendance to each other, which is an apples to apples comparison. You, skippy, are trying to compare apples to watermelons.
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Don't know if anyone else caught this, but when Miller was announced to being drafted from the Rangers, the announcers said "I would be surprised if the Rangers let him go to the U of North Dakota and not make him go to the Canadian hockey program"!!
Can this be possible? Or is he a lock to the Fighting Sioux?
I hope to see his surprised face the first time Miller suits up for UND.
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You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
This line is too perfect considering the article I've been referring to all along is still linked off the very same post to which I'm replying.
I'm not going to question the intelliegence of a complete stranger and I certainly don't think the structure of either of our posts would indicate that you or I lack intelligence so there's no need to go down that path.
My original observation is accurate and the proof is in every one of your posts since.
I'm done with this nonsense.
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I never said there wasn't a possibility that he would leave. I said I have no reason to believe he isn't telling the truth that he hasn't been contacted by the Devils. Did you even read the article? If not heres a snippet.
University of Wisconsin men's hockey coach Mike Eaves dispelled two East Coast newspaper reports that he was being considered for the NHL opening at New Jersey.
Eaves said Monday he's had no contact with the Devils or any other NHL team about leaving his alma mater, where he's coached since 2002.
Eaves attended the NHL Entry Draft in St. Paul, Minn., Friday and Saturday and saw four UW players -- freshman center Joseph Labate (Vancouver), sophomore left winger Michael Mersch (Los Angeles), freshman defenseman Patrick Daly (New Jersey) and freshman center Brad Navin (Buffalo) -- get chosen.
But even with Lamoriello in the Xcel Energy Center, there was no contact, according to Eaves.
"If there was going to be a time (to talk) that would have been it,'' Eaves said.
i don't know what article you think i'm talking about but the one that you've linked off of several of your posts does not contain any of the text you listed. the only thing in the story at all inline with your claims is a reference to a line in a paper several weeks ago, before this conversation started. i'm not saying eaves hasn't denied being contacted by the devils or the nhl. in fact, i'm inclined to believe he did say that because that's the status quo in situations like this. i'm just saying it's strange you're using this article as proof when the article provides no proof of your claim. here's the entire article for those who don't know what i'm referring to. i've highlighted the one paragraph that eludes to a possible statement by eaves several weeks ago:
University of Wisconsin men's hockey coach Mike Eaves has done a lot of winning since returning to Madison to lead his alma mater. In nine seasons behind the Badger bench, Eaves has amassed a .573 winning percentage, one national championship in 2006, and a runner up finish in 2010. Unfortunately for the Badgers, the program may fall victim to it's own success. According too Tom Gulitti of the NorthJersey.com Fire & Ice blog, "There are whispers that Mike Eaves is possibly getting ready to leave the University of Wisconsin." Gulitti said two messages left for Eaves this week were not returned.
The job that Eaves would be leaving for is the head coaching opening for the NHL's New Jersey Devils. That job opened up when Jacques Lemaire retired in April for the 47th time. Eaves name has come up in the past when the Devils have been looking for a coach because of similar coaching philosophies between himself and Devils GM Lou Lamoriello.
Wisconsin has been an NHL factory since Mike Eaves took over the program in 2002. Eaves and the Badgers have placed an amazing 15 players in the NHL over that span. That number is expected to grow once again next season when Brendan Smith (DET), Jake Gardiner (TOR), and Cody Goloubef (CBJ) all could make their NHL debuts. Current players Justin Schultz and Craig Smith are also all but locks to end up in the NHL some day.
More on Eaves potentially leaving for the NHL after the jump.
It's not the first time Eaves has been talked about in conversations about potential NHL head coaches. No stranger to the league, Eaves played in parts of 8 NHL seasons before hanging up the skates for good. Additionally, and more importantly Eaves has NHL coaching experience as an assistant with Philadelphia and Pittsburgh where he spent three seasons each.
Eaves name gained traction when this surfaced in Sports Illustrated earlier this year in a feature written by NHL on NBC commentator Pierre McGuire.
"Wisconsin's Mike Eaves is a top NHL coaching prospect. An excellent communicator and a shrewd tactician, Eaves, 54, became the first U.S.-trained coach to win gold at the World Juniors, in Helsinki in 2004."
Another big reason why Eaves name has been floated for the position is because of the known affinity Devils superstar forward and looming free agent Zach Parise has for Eaves. Here are two quotes from Parise that should give you an idea on his thoughts towards the Badgers bench boss.
"Another coach that has coached in the NHL before and I had him for a few international tournaments is Mike Eaves. He is now at Wisconsin and I’ve never been so prepared to face an opponent as when I was playing for him. It may be a little different in an 82-game schedule, but he did a great job of having players understand their role on the team and got them to do that to the best of their ability."
"Great coach, great systems and gets his players to play. Very demanding."
Wisconsin State Journal beat writer Andy Baggot spoke to Mike Eaves about potentially leaving for the NHL a mere two and a half weeks ago. At that time Eaves confirmed to Baggot that he had not received any interest from NHL teams about current coaching openings meaning any talks that might be going on with the Devils have came very recently.
One important note to remember is that Mike Eaves signed a contract extension in late April that is not set to expire until after the 2015-2016 season. That means most likely that the Devils would have to pay a buyout fee to gain his services.
If Eaves were to leave for New Jersey, and I'm not insinuating that he's going to, there would be no shortage of candidates for an opening in Madison. Mark Osiecki (Ohio State head coach), Don Granato (former AHL head coach), Mark Johnson (Badger women's coach), Tony Granato (Penguins assistant), and George Gwozdecky (Denver head coach) are all alumni of the University of Wisconsin.
John Hynes (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins, AHL head coach and former UW assistant), Bill Butters (Badger assistant), Ron Rolston (NTDP U18 head coach), Rico Blasi (Miami head coach), Kevin Patrick (Muskegon, USHL head coach, former UW assistant), and Jeff Blashil (Western Michigan head coach) are some other names that could be considered for the job.
It remains to be seen if Eaves has the intentions of ever making the jump to the NHL but if he were to go, he's certainly in the time frame to make the move. At 55 Eaves still has plenty left in the tank but told Baggot two weeks ago that he doesn't see himself coaching into his 70's like Red Berenson at Michigan.
I would be remiss if I didn't point out how flattering it is for the Wisconsin program that Eaves name is held in such high regard that he would be considered for a position like this. It's clear that NHL franchises see what Eaves has done developing players at Wisconsin. The Badgers have been lucky to have Eaves behind the bench for the past nine seasons. Hopefully they have him around for nine more.
late edit: i just realized that you wrote this article. now i'm really confused.
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The article you guys are linking was written on Saturday and is part of the reason these rumors were spurred. Eaves said Monday he hasn't been contacted. I have no reason not to believe him. He's a straight shooter, if he was considering it, he would have said so or not returned the reporters call.
It's strange that you're arguing against any possibility that Eaves might be leaving for the NHL while at the same time posting a link to an article in a UW paper that talks about Eaves possibly leaving for the Devils. It is especially strange considering that article does not quote Eaves anywhere denying this possibility.
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It is summer: go out and have some fun in the sun.
wait a minute. aren't you posting here too?
Countdown begins! UND vs. NDSU
in Men's Basketball
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Until UND can qualify for the NCAA tourney all games mean more to NDSU. To say otherwise is to suggest that winning a non-auto bid conference is a greater goal than winning an auto bid conference. Is that what you believe?