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Amen. Duplicity is alive and well in that guy.

New name for Super Conference: Super 8, The Super S 8 Siouxper 8 - No need to pay royalties to Super 8 Developing.........

I would bet that it played a factor, albeit probably a small one in the grand scope of things. It sure did not make SCSU any friends, as I see it. Gino may go to bat for them, but I doubt he'll be able to really do anything there, unless the league wants to go to 10 or 12 teams. It makes more sense for SCSU and the "rejects" (I hate saying that because I like Mankato, too - not as much as the Sioux, obviously- and it's one of them) of the WCHA and CCHA to join forces, get rid of McClod, circle the wagons and really try to make whatever league it is competitive. Get people like Gino to help pump/lobby alumni and state officials for money to upgrade facilities so that some semblance of parity with the SuperLeague can be attempted. This is where Gino can help SCSU. Even he can't make gold out of straw. St. Cloud has a rabid fan base, which is an excellent start, and it has many alums who are in or who have been in the NHL. It has an excellent coaching staff, too. However, it's facilities, while nice, are sub par and aging. Time to make major improvements to NHC so as to increase seating capacity. Just think of poor Mankato. Jutting is a good coach but you should look at the practice facility. It's an ok building but it is NO D-1 practice facility. Plus, it's southern MN. While there are a lot of very good fans, it is not like St. Cloud or Duluth; maybe it will be in time. Plus, the Verizon Center is a lot like the NHC. That place loses money year in and year out and I would highly doubt that the City is going to be amenable to investing more money into it. The competitive potential for those schools will be set back a ton because of this, unfortunately. Hopefully, more David Backes, Matt Cullen, Mark Parrish, Brian Holzinger, Ryan Carter types who know they will get a TON more playing time at those schools will consider attending those schools. Bottom Line: UND needed to do it. No one likes the fact that it must happen. It is being seen as a necessary "forced" decision because of the BTHC so blame the BTHC schools. Everything was fine as it was but the arrogance of the B10 schools started the present domino effect. Silver lining: UAH finally gets into a conference and saves its program and alumni of struggling programs step up to assist their schools.

Good point. Wasn't the CCHA the one who, after UNO announced its intent to joint the WCHA, closed the door on UAH's application to join the CCHA? Even though the CCHA would go down to 11 teams after UNO's departure, it still would not allow UAH in. What goes around comes around, I guess. UAH has had a fairly long go of hockey in a non-hockey area and, most years, they are fairly decent. The CCHA's puerile slap in the face may come back to haunt it now. UAH could have been going in its 2nd year of membership instead of languishing in the godforsaken independent realm.

Perhaps an anti-nicknamer?

Yes, I know that part about the NCAA event and the removal of the logos/etc but Hodgson has said that not one of them will be removed and REA can't be forced to remove them because REA never signed the agreement. My understanding of their position is that they think they would rather host other events and perhaps even bring other teams there and still make money than mar the building by removing any logos. The question of whether they want to be able to host NCAA events at the cost of removing the logos has been answered, I think. I may be incorrect being 600 miles from GF, but I seem to remember Hodgson talking about that around the same time that Standing Rock refused to provide a vote post- RHHIT.

Why the hell should the logos be removed? The REA was never a party to the agreement. I agree that he may not appropriate to bring but perhaps REA will agree to be a signatory in exchange for some concessions concerning the name.

Archie Fool Bear, Steve Fool Bear, Tom Iron, Eunice Davidson, Myra Pearson, among Native Americans should be among the "stakeholders" who are to go to the NCAA with the others named in the paper. Why in the hell have a meeting if some of the people who are supposed to have a say in the process and who are supposedly negatively impacted by the nickname and logo aren't going? Those who voted for the right for Native Americans to be heard on this issue and to effectuate the purpose and intent behind the settlement agreement should be commended, if nothing else. Some are hopeless but it would not hurt to email them too. The legislature should be open to supporting a meeting with the NCAA. If people are serious about trying to save our respected and unique nickname and logo and if people are serious about actually having the NCAA hear from the Native Americans on this issue, email the following: North Dakota House: bamerman@nd.gov, dickanderson@nd.gov, tbeadle@nd.gov, lbellew@nd.gov, wbelter@nd.gov, tboe@nd.gov, rboehning@nd.gov, rbrabandt@nd.gov, mbrandenburg@nd.gov, acarlson@nd.gov, donclark@nd.gov, tconklin@nd.gov, stdahl@nd.gov, cdamschen@nd.gov, ddekrey@nd.gov, ldelmore@nd.gov, jdelzer@nd.gov, bdevlin@nd.gov, mdosch@nd.gov, ddrovdal@nd.gov, rfrantsvog@nd.gov, gfroseth@nd.gov, eglassheim@nd.gov, bgrande@nd.gov, egruchalla@nd.gov, rguggisberg@nd.gov, lhanson@nd.gov, phatlestad@nd.gov, khawken@nd.gov, cheadland@nd.gov, jaheilman@nd.gov, bheller@nd.gov, chofstad@nd.gov, khogan@nd.gov, rholman@nd.gov, bhunskor@nd.gov, djohnson@nd.gov, njohnson@nd.gov, lakaldor@nd.gov, kkarls@nd.gov, jkasper@nd.gov, gkeiser@nd.gov, rkelsch@nd.gov, jkelsh@nd.gov, skelsh@nd.gov, kkempenich@nd.gov, rkilichowski@nd.gov, jkingsbury@nd.gov, mklein@nd.gov, lklemin@nd.gov, kkoppelman@nd.gov, gkreidt@nd.gov, wkretschmar@nd.gov, ckreun@nd.gov, jkroeber@nd.gov, sclouser@nd.gov, agmaragos@nd.gov, bmartinson@nd.gov, lmeier@nd.gov, rmetcalf@nd.gov, sjmeyer@nd.gov, crmock@nd.gov, dmonson@nd.gov, pmueller@nd.gov, mrnathe@nd.gov, jonelson@nd.gov, menelson@nd.gov, konstad@nd.gov, mowens@nd.gov, gpaur@nd.gov, vpietsch@nd.gov, cpollert@nd.gov, tkporter@nd.gov, kmrohr@nd.gov, druby@nd.gov, drust@nd.gov, masanford@nd.gov, mischatz@nd.gov, jeschmidt@nd.gov, bskarphol@nd.gov, vsteiner@nd.gov, rstreyle@nd.gov, gsukut@nd.gov, bthoreson@nd.gov, wtrottier@nd.gov, dwvigesaa@nd.gov, jwall@nd.gov, dweiler@nd.gov, rweisz@nd.gov, awieland@nd.gov, cdwilliams@nd.gov, lbwinrich@nd.gov, dwrangham@nd.gov, szaiser@nd.gov North Dakota Senate: jandrist@nd.gov, sdberry@nd.gov, bbowman@nd.gov, raburckhard@nd.gov, rchristmann@nd.gov, dcook@nd.gov, ddever@nd.gov, jdotzenrod@nd.gov, rerbele@nd.gov, tfischer@nd.gov, tflakoll@nd.gov, lfreborg@nd.gov, tgrindberg@nd.gov, jheckaman@nd.gov, dhogue@nd.gov, rholmberg@nd.gov, rkilzer@nd.gov, jklein@nd.gov, kkrebsbach@nd.gov, llaffen@nd.gov, olarsen@nd.gov, galee@nd.gov, jlee@nd.gov, lluick@nd.gov, slyson@nd.gov, rmarcellais@nd.gov, tmathern@nd.gov, joetmiller@nd.gov, pmmurphy@nd.gov, cnelson@nd.gov, dnething@nd.gov, glnodland@nd.gov, doconnell@nd.gov, doehlke@nd.gov, colafson@nd.gov, lrobinson@nd.gov, dgschaible@nd.gov, macschneider@nd.gov, msitte@nd.gov, rsorvaag@nd.gov, bstenehjem@nd.gov, rtaylor@nd.gov, ctriplett@nd.gov, guglem@nd.gov, tmwanzek@nd.gov, rwardner@nd.gov, jwarner@nd.gov Attorney General: Wayne Stenehjem -- ndag@nd.gov State Board of Higher Education Jon Backes, President -- Jon.Backes@ndus.edu Grant Shaft -- Grant.Shaft@ndus.edu Melissa Bonner -- Melissa.Bonner@ndus.edu Kirsten Diederich -- kirsten.diederich@ndus.edu Duane Espegard -- Duaine.Espegard@ndus.edu Michael Haugen -- Michael.Haugen@ndus.edu Claus Lembke -- Claus.Lembke@ndus.edu Richie Smith -- Richard.E.Smith.2@ndus.edu John Girard (faculty advisor) -- John.Girard@ndus.edu UND President Robert Kelley: robert.kelley@email.und.edu

What, you mean like the professors and administrators (Jim Grijalva, Leigh Jeanotte, etc) who have fixated on this issue for 15 years? Ease up on the histrionics and attacks. Say what you want about Carlson, but he and the legislature and the Governor are the ONLY ONES who have listened to the Native Americans and alumni in this whole tired episode. Carlson and the legislature have done more to effectuate the purpose and terms of the surrender agreement than the SBoHE, NCAA or any party for that matter. Some may think he has ulterior motives, or whatever, and they are entitled to think that. That is a legitimate take on it but I am not sure that it would be borne out factually. The one thing that can be borne out factually is this: The legislature acted at the behest of the Native Americans and the super-majority who supports the nickname and logo and they did something about it. They are not the villains in this. Does anyone think that the legislation passes WITHOUT the support of Native Americans at Spirit Lake and on Standing Rock? Save your vitriol for those who have been sowing discord for years and then claiming the nickname and logo are "divisive" and "discriminatory." Save your vitriol for those who have morphed their arguments and tactics in response to those previous absurd claims being proved false.

Like that's a surprise.

Thanks Ole. I understand your point and, if the name goes, I hope I can adapt as well. I agree that there are more important issues but this issue and the dynamics behind it (free speech, uneven application of policy, etc.) are still pretty important, in my humble opinion.

Well, I'm from Minot, I have farm property underwater in Minot where property is going for $70K per acre in some areas, have 90% of my family in Minot some also with property underwater and we all still think it's an important issue. Admittedly, it's obviously a secondary issue but not one that is not unimportant. Can't do anything about preventing the Souris river but one can still work to stop NCAA abuses.

Excellent post!

I don't think anyone fails to appreciate what could happen here. The frustration is over a bully picking on a small university and its fans and being assisted by taxpayer funded dolts at the university. No one wants to sit back and just receive a beat down and if you lose you let them know that you gave it all you had. What's stunning is that so many, including Hoeven, Conrad, etc. are so willing to just throw up their hands and say, "well, that's that. Let's move on now" (actually, Hoeven has not even done that much). If anything, resolve should be even more firm and the emails should get even hotter and more vocal. How does anyone think change happens? How did gays get the right to marry in New York with a Republican controlled Senate? Not saying at all that I agree with the legislation but, in short, they got pissed and people heard from them. Indeed, this whole thing was started and stoked by a few dyspeptic holier than thou at UND. What have some people done in the face of that? Some have simply indicated that it will always be an issue, etc, etc. etc. What should take place is that people should identify and continue to expose the real issue: the people who have nothing to do and whose creative atrophy finds cynical expression fixating over and imputing racist hobgoblins to something as benign as a sports team nickname.

I think it means that when they meet in October they will issue a statement: Change the law during the special session or your invitation is rescinded. Keep in mind, one is dealing with irrational, agenda-driven academics. Can't think of a more vile and vulgar group of rogues. Wait a minute, I guess I can: the Pharisees.

For your reading pleasure: http://plainsdaily.com/entry/sbhe-changing-gears-in-approach-to-und-nickname-actively-working-to-end-logo/

I don't see it. However, the sanctions are what they are as spelled out in the surrender agreement. To the extent that the NCAA is effecting means to sanction UND or impose roadblocks for UND that are beyond the parameters of the surrender agreement (i.e. possible collusion between NCAA and Big Sky and other schools/league) there may be a basis for a claim. Matters not covered by the language of the surrender agreement could be asserted. Some significantly detailed and protracted discovery would need to ensue to get to determine these things. I offer the following options and leave it to you to determine the likelihood of any one of them at this point: 1. Dues ex politica (federal level) -- Hoeven, Berg, Conrad grow spines and come to the rescue of the nickname and logo after having received massive email barrage. A. Not going to happen, especially given the flooding in Bismarck/Mandan and Minot (Hoeven's Bismarck house is underwater, evidently, or at least threatened). If they didn't have spines before, they won't have any now AND they have the political cover to justify it. 2. Dalrymple, Carlson, Archie Fool Bear, the AG go to the NCAA changes its mind to allow "Spirit Lake Sioux" or to allow "Fighting Sioux" or just "Sioux" after being convinced that most of the NA's approve of the nickname and logo. A. Probably not going to happen but still worth a shot, at least to give certain people cover to say that they did all they could and were still stymied. 3. Dalrymple, Carlson, etc go to NCAA and are told the same things the NCAA has already parroted but acknowledge that the law will be changed but, given the flooding in ND and all of the other ancillary issues, are allowed more time -- perhaps 2011-2012 -- to change the name with August 15, 2012 the date instead of August 15, 2011. A. If the NCAA has any common sense, they may be inclined to give this some thought to gain points and to look like "real good guys" bearing boat loads of magnanimity, despite the impudence of "those hicks from ND." 4. Dalrymple, Carlson, etc. go to the NCAA and are told the same things the NCAA has already parroted and are told sanctions will go forward unless the name is changed by August 15, 2011, or by the special session in November. A. Probably most likely. I have an unaffected and visceral scorn for the NCAA and the hypocritical, low-core aggressive academic weenies that run it but it will still be allowed to wield its abuse on whomever it wishes unless and until people start seeing it for what it is -- an abusive monopoly that needs to be treated and broken up accordingly. Maybe start privatizing athletics as someone else has suggested? Aren't schools for teaching and learning and aren't sports intended to be only extracurricular activities? Somehow, the same hypocritical dolts who bemoan how too much money is devoted to athletics, how athletes can't read, etc. are the same ones who laugh all the way to the bank with the monetary benefits. Institutions of higher learning, so - called, have become inextricably enmeshed with the love of money from "extracurricular activities" and such obvious hypocrisy is easily justified even though the justifications make no sense. Where you have equivocation, the absence of logical policies, the squelching of different viewpoints, chaotic and haphazard justifications, you have a true beast in your midst - corruption.. - err, I mean the NCAA.

This sounds like a vehicle for protest. Maybe I'll make a sign and stand outside of the ice rink this upcoming winter in protest of their use of this insensitive and hostile and abusive act.

AND THERE .... IS.....YOUR......DAGGER!!!!!!!

Yes, but by that tragedy a cure is found. If the nickname and logo become part of history, time to advocate for some changes to the NCAA -- Ma Bell sort of changes. And, time to advocate changes to higher education. You can bet that higher education is the very first place that should be drawn down in terms of funding. Give a couple of finance auditors and consultants a couple of months with UND and some other institutions and bring back their recommendations and implement them. While the letting go of the one administrator at UND was a black eye in terms of how it was handled, I commend Kelley and his staff for skimming off the curd. In addition, the SBoHE is a superfluous entity entirely. All of the ballyhoo about it being necessary to prevent preferential treatment of one school/area over another is way overstated.

Excellent post, Star. Couldn't agree more.

I'd rather wear what they should be wearing.

Agreed. But, we saw some of that earlier this year when Kelley and his committee made overtures to some of the local businesses with requests to stop using "Sioux" in their names. Unbelievable. If the name changes, that's all the more reason to retain "Sioux" in their names as an expression of the majority's voice of dissidence.

I appreciate the sentiments but I will be one who will never wear anything else than Sioux apparel. The so-called transition committee already was assailing local establishments about discontinuing the use of the "Sioux" name. I am sure there will be entirely rah-rah, "suggestive" efforts afoot to discourage people from wearing Sioux apparel. If I owned a private business up there, such as the Sioux Travel Center and Cafe on highway 2 west, I would certainly continue using the name. Discontinuing use of the name may be good PC fodder but that feel good shuffle does not transfer over to private sector realities.

Yes. All was foretold with Goetz indicating that he wished this matter to be expeditiously resolved. Kelley should have kept his mouth shut. I don't know why he couldn't just do that until after the NCAA meeting. Perhaps he thinks there is at least a possibility for a course change by the NCAA and wants to try and stymie it from the outset. I can't say that I know anything about Al Carlson except for his involvement in this issue so I don't know the history from which all of the egomaniac accusations originate. Had the SBoHE and all parties participated in good faith regarding the settlement agreement's terms, he never would have been involved.