BisonCardinal
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I'd take GV State. Last I looked, don't they have 20,000+ students?
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Damn Darell, you are on top of it. Wouldn't have a map of the Summit league handy, would you?
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I hear where you are coming from. When looking at the map, couldn't believe how much of an eastern outlier YSU is. Losing them would definitely shift the MVFC to the west.
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Darell, thanks for the info.
My concern is, even if a MVFC team were to leave, the MVFC would be down to a nine team league, which many say is the perfect football league. The pressure would have to come from the Summit. Not sure that desire is there.
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How much is the buyout fee for UND? IIRC, the Big Sky waived the buyout for UND in their "let's cross our fingers" agreement.Would they buyout the exit fee from the Big Sky?
Elgin has no choice but to placate Bradley, Drake, Evansville, Loyola, and Wichita St, which don't give a cr*p about football. Elgin doesn't run the league, he only is the XO, not the CO. The Presidents make the major decisions, not Elgin.
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The Summit wasn't about to chance it, so they gave ORU no entrance fee to get to six baseball teams.
Do you have a problem with this? Heck, the Summit would probably waive the entrance fee for UND also.
The MVC is not near as sexy as it once was. Geographically and sports wise, the Indiana schools in the Summit have a better chance of getting in as they are closer to the other members and they do not sponsor football. A football centric school scares the crap out of Commissioner Elgin.
Like it or not, the Dakota schools need to focus on the strengthening the Summit and make it the NCC 2.0.
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I am guessing the NCAA is about as strict on the baseball rule as they are on the attendance rule.
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I agree with what dmk and Matt are saying.Moving to DI, my preference was for joining the Summit/MVFC. The way Douple acted and the fact that football wasn't included made it clear that the Big Sky was the way to go. Having said that, I believe the Summit is improving and heading in the right direction. History shows lots of teams coming and going, but it looks like the long term plan is to center on the I-29 corrider with the Dakotas and Omaha. We all know how great the NCC was as a DII conference. Many even had the opinion that it was as good or better as some of the lower DI conferences. So, if the Summit becomes NCC 2.0, it may become the better option. Of course football would need to come with. I would like to see us in a conference with the Dakota schools, Omaha, and the Montana Schools. Throw in a 2-4 team combination of Idaho, Denver, UNC (someone needs to be the cellar dweller) and maybe EWU, and you have a pretty solid conference if you ask me.
I think UND would be the keystone that the Summit is looking for. The four Dakota's, Omaha, Denver, ORU and Northern Colorado would make for a very strong and stable conference. After the MVC picked Loyola over NDSU and SDSU, and just looking at a map, the MVC would likely pick any of the Indiana schools or Western Ill before picking any Dakota school. Screw them. We'll control our own destiny with the Summit.
Douple is no dummie. Solidifying the Summit could land him a lifetime contract. Use whatever pull he has with the MVFC to get UND in.
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I think that is the frustration many have with Joe. There was a lot of excitement when he turned down the Ag School and had a lot of interest from Iowa and Northern Illinois. Neither of these guys developed last year as they could have/should have. Lots of factors but one of them is going to be our guy going forward and this staff thinks it is Mollberg. They need to know if they are right or wrong. There isn't any game this year that has answered that question, even the MSU game where he played poorly. I understand the criticism, but your former high school coach thinks Mollberg is the better QB. I do to so far. Expectations are very high and dissapointment will be more for Joe and not so much with Ryan. They both can play, but can Joe be a guy who can carry a team? Maybe, I still think so, but hell, my opinion is no more valid than say... GFhockey or yours. . The jury is still out on both of these guys and they both better be ready to play and stay ready to play. If one isn't playing and pouts, he won't ever be the guy. I think they are both handling this pretty well so far. This staff will never make a decision based on fan opinion and they shouldn't. I think they are both capable of being successful.
What is happening with Mollberg sounds eerily close to our experience with Nick Mertens. Great athletes, smart guys, highly recruited. Both seem/ed to have trouble turning their skills into wins. Mertens never found "it". Wonder if Mollberg ever will?
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Is it possible that the NCAA would look the other way on the baseball rule, much like they do on the FBS 15,000 minimum attendance requirement?
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Ok, Lieutenant Literal, I am talking about football victories. I did not realize the Summit did not have football.
Seriously, I want to know if SV thinks the Summit will survive with an additional two members. He has put a lot of energy into his conspiracy threads and predicting the demise of the Summit. Could it be that college presidents, particularly the Summit ones, are smarter than he is?
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SV, with the addition of Denver and Oral Roberts, is the Summit League going to survive?
If you think it will, how long before UND feels it may be economically beneficial to join the Summit?
If you think it won't, what will cause its downfall?
Signed,
Dean B.
PS, thanks for all your brainwork on this matter. I've been too busy celebrating Bison victories to think about it much.
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Hey there Big Shooter, with my 16 posts, yes I am constantly over here. Just trying to broaden your horizon.
Have a good day!
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Geez get over yourself - one of the major reasons FU was chosen was because there was no compelling game among the big boys - that was stated in the press. The game was barely talked about. If it was a UND/FU game there would be plenty more compelling stories but in the big picture it's just a backdrop and a small town circus with major behind the scenes ass kissing makes for great TV.
Easy there Captain Obvious. We in Bison Nation realize why GameDay was there. If we are a small town circus with major ass kissing, what does that make your program? Incarnate Word won yesterday. You got curb stomped. Right now a IC/UND match up would be a good game. I am patiently waiting for the UND football program to be a Big Sky contender. When is that going to happen?
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If the NDSU win/championship streak is intact, do they come back 9/19/15? I think it would be the craziest scene yet and would be a distinct possibility.
Delaware State, Incarnate Word and UND. ESPN has shown the trend to be in Fargo for the game with our weakest opponent, so you guys stand a good chance. (sorry, had to get that one in there)
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I know there is some real hard feelings with UND and Douple. But I don't think Douple is a dumbie. I would think that he wants to build the Summit into a league that competes with the Missouri Valley, and the Big Sky for that matter, on a regular basis. Adding another strong ND team to the league will add the rock solid base core he is looking for.
Wouldn't it be something if the Summit were to get two teams into March Madness and the MVC only one? Last year, if you would won your last basketball game, ND would have had more teams in the big dance than the basketball state of Indiana.
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To answer the thread title, not likely at all. I do not believe NDSU will make an FBS-type move without some company.
What I would like personally is to keep the Dakota schools together, meaning a Big Sky east division or Missouri Valley west division. I believe UND will eventually end up back with the other three Dakota schools. With the Summit showing some real strength/stability with the addition of Denver and Oral Roberts, for some reason I believe that Douple/Faison could each swallow some pride and mend the UND/Summit relationship. The problem is with football. I can see Youngstown football ending up in some eastern conference. This would drop the MVFC down to nine members, which some say is the perfect size for a football conference. So, unfortunately, even with YSU leaving, it still may not provide an opening for UND football as the MVFC has a problem with adding western teams.
I am not as thrilled with the Missouri Valley conference as some. They have shown their desire to be a basketball only conference with the addition of Loyola - Chicago. If the MVC, for some reason loses Wichita State, they won't be nearly as sexy as previously thought. Creighton and Wichita State seemed to be the only ones to make any noise in that conference.
Seems to me if the MVC had their act together, they would be aggressively seeking expansion (adding the Dakota schools) instead of taking a wait and see attitude. There is strength in numbers. I am guessing that they think they can poach any Midwestern team that they want anytime they want, like an Eastern Illinois from the OVC, etc. I think the Summit (NCC 2.0) could become a force to be reckoned with the Dakota schools as the core.
My two cents.
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It's a bit. You'll catch on if you stick around here long enough.
Got it. Good luck to UND today. Beat UM. Thought I would stop by while waiting for the Bison game.
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GFH, you say it isn't cold, but it looks like you are typing with mittens on.
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At every venue?
I believe so, otherwise the conference would not have adopted it for this year.
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Will the weather help or hurt UND?
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I know some (NDSU fans) will take great and deep offense at this, but I do sincerely mean this as a great compliment:
NDSU does not run anything exceptional; but, they run everything they run exceptionally.
- NDSU's blocking schemes are not revolutionary; their guys run them to precision every time, and it's actually surprising when they miss an assignment or a block
- NDSU's plays are not revolutionary either; but, again they run them to precise perfection.
- NDSU's defense is a base Tampa Two. Nothing earth-shattering there, but again, every player is assignment sharp and makes the tackle that needs to be made.
NDSU is playing crisp, assignment sharp, precision football. There's nothing there that can not be replicated ... if a culture where that is the expectation is put in place.
NDSU has that culture. Their battle is maintaining it as complacency (and injury) are the enemy.
UND has to create that culture and climb that climb. I know that would never have happened under Mussman. I believe it is more possible under Schweigert.
One more observation about NDSU:
Their guys did not fatigue against Iowa State. They didn't against Kansas State last year either. NDSU's guys seem stronger and fresher at the end of the game. They seem better conditioned. (That was a big part of Dean Blais' UND hockey teams' success: they were fresh late in games.)
UND's Football CEO needs to address strength and conditioning as I believe I can correlate that to the present state of the program as well.
What's there to be offended about? Great post!
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Looking at the EWU/SHSU score and reading about the game, wouldn't UND's ascent up the BSC food chain be accomplished quickest via a stout defense vs a high flying offense? Seems to me you guys will do well if Bubba can put together anything resembling a defense.
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My hat goes off to NDSU, they had a huge year in terms of national media attention and athletic achievement. But it just doesn't make since for struggling FBS conferences to take on that kind of additional travel expenses in all sports to add NDSU. Not that the Bison wouldn't be competitive in either the MAC, MWC, or CUSA, it just wouldn't make sense from a financial standpoint. What we should really be doing is trying to formulate a new FBS conference with the state flagship institutions in our region. UND, NDSU, USD, SDSU, MT, MT state, UI, ISU, and throw in Denver and Omaha basketball. A conference like that has a lot more potential to grow than the current state of the MAC, MWC, or CUSA.
ISF, I like your thinking. I, too, think that all of the flagships in ND, MT, SD and ID need to band together for a conference. Is nine the perfect football conference? Maybe a U of NC, St Cloud or EWU for the ninth.
More Summit movement?
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Thank you sir.
(missing Oral Roberts)
Yes, the Summit HAS been a revolving door, but it has never had 3 flagship state universities as members either. Times are a changin'.