Walsh Hall

You apparently have a warped understanding of the word “unsafe.” Because your sense of, “the right thing” is completely lacking in factual support it’s impossibly to take you seriously. You are full of conclusions, but completely lacking in facts supporting the conclusion. They are kinda the important part.

There is no great answer to this question, and certainly not an answer which will appease folks with your mindset. The human condition always wins. Some of us are vulnerable, some are not. Killing countless others as a byproduct of this mess. and killing the economy in a feeble attempt to save some folks that unfortunately can't be saved makes zero sense. We are taking all reasonable steps to protect the vulnerable. We were dealt a bad hand, we still need to play it. Tack on another covid death. An acquaintance took his own life last week as an absolutely result of this mess. Small business owner who employed several family members. All went to crap, but nobody cares about that...

Per CNBC this morning, cancer diagnosis's have decreased 30% in the past months. At least fewer people are getting cancer for some reason because of all this... If we shut down the country for another couple months maybe we can eliminate cancer. As for retail, the prevailing thought is that many folks will continue to use amazon, walmart.com, target.com, etc for online shopping. All (3) have seen very large increases in business. Presumably many folks will continue to utilize these services now that they are getting accustomed to it. That is bad news for smaller retail and brick/mortar retail chains without a solid online business.

He shouldn't be screaming at anyone, but if an elderly gentleman wants to knowingly assume a potential risk, more power to him. (Acknowledging that if a private business requires the wearing of a mask, that is their business decision and it should be honored if someone wants to patronize the establishment).

https://t.co/J7oyWEdWPj Article with counterpoint regarding masks, including scientific research indicating that masks have not should benefit in regard to the flu.

Do you dispute that deaths are being counts as Covid, without a test, so long as there are any Covid symptoms, or even suspecting there were symptoms. (Elderly person found deceased at home are counted). That is not the case with the flu. Of the deaths reported in ND, how many do you think we’re proximate our caused by Covid?

Put Old Fella in charge of masks. He seems to know his stuff.

How were the deaths computed for both? Apples at apples? Based on how the deaths are reported for Covid the numbers are clearly overstated. Whether it was the same for the HHF I don’t know, but it certainly was much harder on young folks. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/lessons-to-be-learned-from-1957-pandemic/ For your 500% greater total, I’ll take the under. For the unemployment numbers next week, I’ll continue to cash on the over.

To stay with the trend of horrible analogies... the U.S. had a Frazee in goal. A Frazee helps keep out most pucks, however some pucks can still make it into the goal. Other people can choose not to have a Frazee in the goal. Frazee is a sieve and everything shot by a Toews goes right through him into the goal. Having a Frazee in the goal really makes no difference when facing a Toews.

They have consistently proven themselves wrong. Why is it that they are always wrong, and always wrong the same way? I understand that this business isnt an exact science. I’d just expect that they’d be wrong as many time on the high side as the low side. If you are wrong every single time on the same side you have no credibility. That indicates a “belief system” and an agenda. Check these clowns‘ estimates on Ebola, SARS... 1.7 millions deaths from Ebola? Oops, it was actually 2.

In that analogy all the contestants would be guessing $50,000 for a dorm fridge and standing there with a confused look on their faces.

My dog estimated zero deaths. She has been far more accurate than the "experts." I'm not sure if she finished with her modeling methods as she got distracted by a squirrel. Any which way, I stand my her projection as it has been the most accurate to date.

I don't think NYC and Italy would be substantially similar demographics to make a valid comparison. NYC - 5.6 million subway rides each day. Minneapolis - quote from S.T. - "The line had its highest single-day ridership on Aug. 31 when 68,071 rides were taken on a day when the Twins, Vikings, Gophers and Saints all had home games and the State Fair was going on." It's hard to take the "experts" seriously when the only thing they appear to be experts in is being incredibly wrong, and always wrong in one direction. I think that all the "experts" being quoted and used should have their estimates from prior epidemics/pandemics listed under their name like baseball card stats. I wish I could be so inept at my job.

Completely agree. This moron's tweet string comes to the conclusion that kids going back to school will, "close schools forever." From what I can see, not one statement is based in scientific fact/evidence.

Given the health issues with that demographic (as noted above), and many more folks who would be deemed "at risk," it does make some sense to take a more aggressive approach in those communities than others. Also factor in the cultural status of the elders in that community, and many more multi-generational households. The "island of safety" quote is pure hyperbole, but it does make sense that the reservations would be an area that could be hit harder than, say, Bismarck based strictly on the percent of the population that is "at risk."

No doubt on the media. In this situation I don’t see how there can be such a large divergence in opinion if we strictly looked at the actual numbers. Every statement in Ira’s post have been proven to be 100% statistically accurate. If this were an academic exercise and 10 people were given nothin but the actual statistics there is no way they would propose shutting down the economy and place the current restriction across 95% of the country.

The post above was from March 6th. What needed to be done was known at that time by anyone with decent critical thinking skills. Unfortunately the second sentence above was not followed. Instead of not getting information from the media and politicians and not panicking, the media has been listened to and caused a colossal panic.

I took a few minutes and reviewed the CDC weekly summary (43 pages), https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/pdf/covidview-05-08-2020.pdf, and several Midwestern state's data. My takeaway is that if you are under 60, and are healthy, the chances of death are as close to zero as you can get. Even just using the confirmed numbers, and not the presumed active cases, the risk of complications is tiny. You might be asymptomatic or you may have an awful flu, but you'll almost certainly be fine. If you have, in this order of importance: hypertension, obesity, cardiovascular disease, or lung disease, the outcome after contraction is not particularly rosy. If you are elderly and have those conditions you do not want to contract COVID. If you are 95, obese with hypertension and CD, you aren't gonna make it. More than most health issues, the "at risk" group in this case is VERY clearly defined. If you are at risk and want to live your life and assume the risks, have at it. If not, shelter those folks in place and take all reasonable steps to protect them. There is zero reason for healthy folks under 60 to be sheltering in place.

And if the "reporter" isn't up to asking an actual question with any relevance to the current situation, or that could possibly lead to any information which is at all helpful in writing an article about the actual news, why are they there in the first place? "Why do you see global testing as a competition?" - Seriously? That's a mainstream journalist's question for the President?

Prior to Trump, the administrations for the last 30 years were complete wusses in dealing with China. Everyone knew (both Rs and Ds) that China was a problem, and that the trade deals were absolute crap, but nobody had the guts to do anything about it. Love him or hate him, Trump was the first to actually stand up to China and try to change that relationship. As Yzerman said earlier, China has to be laughing their butt off at our reaction to this. If China stopped/banned travel from Wuhan to other parts of China, but allowed tens of thousands of folks from Wuhan to travel internationally that's a problem.

While I completely disagree with any of these cancellations, I can at least see, given the hysteria, planning, travel, teams from all over the place, many teams wouldn't go or couldn't go... that those tournaments would be cancelled. Cancelling local events is absolutely nuts. Sign a fricking waiver and gets go.

I understand that for all the vendors, etc. it's preferable to not cancel the event the week before the gates open, but this is absolutely crazy. An outdoor event... in July... in ND. I wouldn't have been in attendance, but with more and more events being cancelled that give us something to look forward to, and give us hope, the bleaker this is feeling. I couldn't care less about the State Fair, but that was a punch in the gut for some reason. If all public events are still cancelled through the time that snow flies in late 2020 us Northern folks are going to be going crazy.

I believe you are correct that the narrow context of the quote was a tax issue. That said the quote, which could and likely would have easily been, was not limited to that tiny area of civil liberty.

Unfortunately that's life. Flu, stroke, cancer, dementia. Everyone can't be saved. I think the steps being taken in that regard are pretty darn good. There isn't a great answer to protection of folks who are already higher compromised from a health perspective.

That's a lagging indicator, and if the folks were under 90 and healthy it would be a bit more concerning when restarting the economy. Further evidence of the population most at risk and the population which needs the most reasonable protection.