GrahamKracker
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Don't waste your time hoping, the plan to proceed to court when the appeal is denied is in place and the players are set to win. Set aside the treaties and resolutions you keep quoting and read UNDs recent responses to the NC$$. Makes for interesting reading.
Spending resources on freedom of speech and overturning dictatorships has never been considered nor is a 'waste of resources'.
Dictatorship? Is that like the SBHE and Kupcake ignoring the request of the Sioux Nation to retire the name? Unfortunately, most of the world sees UND, the GF community, and ND for that matter, as backwoods-resistant-to-change-hicks. I mean, how stupid does it look to hold onto and embrace a name that you have no rights to? you seem to use $$$ signs so much in your postings, that is only correct because as we speak, Cupcake is on a SD reservation making his plea to members of the Lakota Nation, and throwing around 6-figure numbers while doing it. Yes, there is a price on this. More than .25M, less than .5M. How do I know this? I've spoken to tribal members of tribes he's approached with this "price". Of course they turned him down.
In reality, the founders of the name here should have used a different tribe to make a mockery of. I don't know how much history you know about the Sioux, but we don't get bought off that easy. If that was the case, we would have taken the "over a billion $$$" now in trust for the Black Hills.
You call it a dictatorship. I call it progress. At least NCAA has the balls to enact this, even if it pisses off the non-enrolled/non-indian sioux people of ND.
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Since it's GK who is the dispenser of the CBS Sports news story, me thinks that there may be more to it. There likely will be Fighting Sioux supporters who are going to be interviewed. Hopefully, the reporter will be smart enough to ask about current instances of disrespect of the Sioux name not things that happened a generation or more ago. And hopefully he will ask for concrete evidence not vague, 'my feelings are hurt', 'I can't get good grades because of the nickname', 'I'm depressed because of the nickname', etc. Hopefully, he will ask for more than 'perceived' disrespect'.
But, regardless of the outcome of this interview, UND will NOT cease to use the name. Very likely we will lose the pending appeal but we will go forward and win BIG in court.
I truly hope that UND takes this thing to court. They just don't know when to quit. It too bad that instead of focusing their resources on the real problems on campus, they are fighting a battle that they can't win.
Even if UND won an appeal or a court battle, do you really think it will be over? With all of the programs out there against the name, including University Senate, this thing is far from over.
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You just can't stick to the subject at hand, can you? Instead of focusing on what we are talking about, you go off on these tangents. But then again, could I expect any more of you? Probably not.
So if your SIOUX......where's your Tribal ID?"My heroes have always killed cowboys"
You live in North Dakota, speak Dakota or go back to your own country!
My favorite part of GK's posts are his little POSTSCRIPTS
Since he's a UNIVERSITY Student - let me critique them...Line 1 -- Uh - that should be YOU'RE - a contraction of YOU ARE. EXAMPLE: "If your SIOUX..." SHOULD BE "If you're Sioux..." SEE: English 101
Line 2 -- The Cowboys won! (get over it!)
Line 3 -- You live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (Like it or not!) The LAND OF OPPORTUNITY! (hint! hint!!!) Glad you're taking advantage to make your life better...but from all you post it seems kind of selfish I think!
(and I'm not even going to go into the HTML f*ckups
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Its only fair that you all know about this:
There will be a UNDIA (University of North Dakota Indian Association) General Membership Meeting on Wednesday, March 8th 7:00 - 8:30 pm at the International Center, 2908 University Ave. There will be voting on the resolution to change UNDIA's neutral
stance on Fighting Sioux Logo. This event is open to the public, however you must be a UNDIA general member to vote.
(FYI change UNDIA's stance to against the logo)
I hope to see you all there. Hecetu.
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This is an email I recieved today....anyone going? I'll be there, of course.
"Please note that Bruce Schein, CBS Sports-New York, will be on campus on Saturday- March 4th to conduct interviews regarding the Sioux name controversy. It will be aired nationally on March 12th at noon Eastern Time."
Oh wait, this is an "invitation only" gig, my bad. You guys can watch it on the 12th, though, and you know I'll put a good word in for all of my sioux-lovin people here on campus! ;-)
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You want to hear about "abusive & hostile" well get this.
Last year myself and another individual attended the UND/SCSU game @ SCSU. Of course the protestors were out in force ranting, raving, and waving signs calling UND fans racist with a multitude of said signs had a swastika on them. This individual I attended the game with is Jewish and it really pi$$ed him off. Matter of fact he is still fuming about this.
If people want to protest about the UND nickname being "abusive & hostile" they have the right to do so but waving a sign with a swastika on it in front of someone of the Jewish faith is the most "abusive & hostile" action I can ever think of---if you read this stop and think about it for a little while. Think of what the swastika stands for and all the innocent fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, and babies who were slaughtered. That my friends is "abusive & hostile"
These protestors were very quick to label UND fans as racist but had no problem waving a sign with a swastika on it--does anyone else see the stupidity/ignorance of the protestors?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........I wonder if, well, I know of someone who was known for having parties on Hitler's B-day, dressing up in Nazi clothing.....would that be the same? I wonder if they would be just as hated, or are there certain $$$ amounts that can get a community to see past that? I think the latter.
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You're a bit behind in the debate. Perhaps if you read the links posted in the thread and looked at information that wasn't five years old, you'd have a better idea of what's being discussed.
PCM, For having a "real" job, you sure waste of hell of a lot of time posting things in here, on grant time too, no less. tsk tsk tsk.....I would hate to see you get in trouble with the people paying your wages if they knew you were wasting their time/money on a dying subject.
As for Savages, we didn't "coin" the term. Do your history, you'll see that infiltrators as far back as 1492 coined the term.
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Have you noticed that people who have a problem with nicknames and logos of sports teams are not sports fans? I deduced that from the stupid 'should wear their solid black/color jerseys' in this and a couple of other posts/editorials. Maybe if they were fans, they would understand the pride and alliance fans have to their schools/cities athletic nicknames and logos.
lol, I love how you ASSume so much about people. "Maybe if they were fans"..... well maybe if you were SIOUX you'd understand why there isn't one SIOUX tribe backing UND. As for myself, I love sports, I play it, watch it, live for it, but that doesn't mean I'm going to spend thousands of dollars buying jerseys. I don't need a jersey that says SIOUX because I am Sioux. You should be proud of who you are and not try so much to impersonate someone else or another culture.
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Yeah.... that is EXACTLY my point. Thank you for proving it.
*golf claps*
As for massage "parlors" had you done any research at all you would also know that when they began in the United States, they also had "more on the menu" but you are not "true massage" so you do not know this, the massage industry will not let someone else's opinion of it keep it down, and you don't know anything about the history or the culture, you're just a wannabe.
Oh Oh oh oh oh OH! Wait.
You made a GREAT point GK. See, the massage industry has taken a negative stereotype of itself- what people used to think that massage was-and learned that it shouldn't let that negative stereotype keep it down, or keep it from succeeding, because it really is a much needed asset to people......maybe you should take some lessons from the massage industry. I mean, really, have you ever heard a massage therapist carry on the way that you do because we feel that we are negatively stereotyped?
Blahblahblahblah......
Did you pick up a Tribal college magazine yet? Probably not. Keep to the subject. As for massage parlors, it was only an example of information you can find on google. You'd be surprised what you can find on google ;-)
As for UND and how they recruit Natives, they NEVER mention the FS BS in ANY of their literature or ads targeting Indian country. Gee, I wonder why?
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Go Google the words "The University of North Dakota".
OH MY GAWD!!!!!
Look at the first response:
The University of North Dakota | Grand Forks, North Dakota Home of the Fighting Sioux, The University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, North Dakota, invites you to learn more about the campus.
Looks like your "conspiracy theory" on the University hiding the nickname, is unfounded.
Maybe you should have done more homework before you came to Grand Forks.
What did that take me like .04 seconds?
I said a "tribal college journal" not google. Hell, anyone can google anything, I mean I can find the most random things like Massage parlors in the middle of ND if I wanted to. ("Massage", so they say, when I was in Thailand....well......lets say that a massage isn't the only thing on the menu, lol).
If you think you are so damn righteous, look in a "tribal college journal", not google. And as for google, try this because I thinks its absolutely nuts. First, under images, type in "Sioux", you'll notice mostly Indians or indian related stuff. Now, under images, type in "Fighting Sioux".......all white people, or the dead indian head. How ironic is that.
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I've been hovering and watching this debate for some time.
The sentiments of those wanting to change the logo and name are quite disheartening, and the tone I get from most pro-name change messages here on this board is that the values and morals of the peoples from the Midwest/NCAA/anywhere are still very closed-minded, full of hatred, racism and bigotry towards those different than themselves.
Prove me wrong. Take an afternoon and read the appeals and rebuttal the UND has compiled. Then come back to this thread and tell us how the Sioux name is offensive. (Example: how does the name prevent native americans from moving up in the world when in fact the name is a catalyst to help many native americans succeed?)
It may change how you look at this issue, it may not, but I feel that it will open your heart and mind to the nature of the people who live here now and who also respect those who lived here before us. Show a little respect, try to understand those on the other side of the issue as much as you can, before making a decison based upon only your interpretation of events.
Thanks for taking the time to read this message, I hope that some of you will take the time now to do a little research of your own.
I had to edit those comments because this argument has been going on for a long time. ("You're a racist!"... "No, you're a racist.") It's really easy to invert the comments in something like this and make the argument for the other side. It appears that either someone is wrong, or there are a lot of ignorant people on both sides. Probably both, but I'm not wrong.
The name a catalyst? you are 100% full of it. The name has absolutely NOTHING to do w/ my education here. The only thing I learned about the name is that NON-Sioux people think they are honoring you by wearing green wigs and forcing so called "honor" down your throats.
Go look in the brochures they use to entice Natives to come to this place. Go look in the Tribal College Journals. There is not ONE mention of FS BS anywhere.
As for asking others to step outside of their "bubble", good luck truesioux. Especially on this board. But you can't say it's a midwest thing, because I know many, many people from the midwest who are willing to learn from others. I would probably specify that level of ignorance to more this region/town.
Remember when the SI article came out about RALPHIE? Man that pissed people off, or when the NY Times article came out? Yeah, well now that I think about it, just about "every article pertaining to the FS BS" portrays ND in negative light........yeah, I can see why everyone is defensive.
It doesn't help that there isn't a single SIOUX TRIBE that is behind UND.
ps. If you don't have anything to say positive about the racist logo/nickname, "they" don't want to hear it, even if it is legitimate and the truth.
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OK, so you say you think it's crazy the amount of time people here spend on this issue. I respond that you likely spend way more time on this issue and you get defensive. No one is Sioux but you. People who are Sioux and disagree with you aren't really Sioux. Like I said in the other thread we get it. You are all knowing and no matter what happens you will spend the rest of your life whining about the Sioux nickname because of all the perceived slights in your life. It's all because of the nickname. Everyone is against you. Life sucks. It's all because of the nickname. We get it. You win. We all are better off because you have educated us. Please teach us more. Since you are always right and anyone who dares disagree is always wrong, I guess I'm done.
I'm not saying that I'm the only Sioux in here, what I am saying is that YOU, DIGGLER, are not SIOUX. Simple as that. And even though you blame me for everything, blame me for NCAA coming down on UND, blame me for all of the protests, and you think I'm the only living soul who is against the name, I am only one person. The facts I present to you go unheard.
I know Sioux people who are for the name. I also know white people who are against it. So what? When I bring up the fact that the SIOUX nation does not want you to use the FS name/logo, its because it is a very powerful and commanding fact that needs to be addressed. Yet everyone dances around it likes its trivial. Its not.
And you know what? UND will lose its appeal because of this fact. Not because it doesn't have enough Indian programs on campus, or not because only 4% of the student population on campus is Native, no it will lose because the SIOUX tribes are against UND's use of the name/logo. Plain and simple.
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UND is winning. See UND has the law on their side. You seem to be the one getting desperate. But hey you can keep ignoring these things if it makes you feel better.
Getting desperate? lol, Diggler I have not yet begun to fight. As for "ignoring things", has anyone told you the INDIANS that you HONOR don't want you to HONOR THEM ANYMORE? I don't know, maybe no one has informed you of that simple fact. Talk about ignoring.......
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You're right, this never will go away because even if UND gets the approval of every single tribe in the United States, you'll still come here bitching and whining about how horrible it is. I'm pretty sure you are the one who spends so much time on this issue as outside of this board, none of us are concerned about the name the way you are.
Jeez, I wonder why that is diggler......could it be because YOU are NOT SIOUX?
Just a little FYI....the National Congress of American Indians passed a resolution asking UND to quit using the FS logo/mascot. So the chances that UND would get the approval of "every single tribe" is about as good as Ralph going to.....nah, better not go there.....but anyways, I don't spend as much time on this issue as other "Jo"shmo's I know, actually I was too busy the last couple weeks hanging out with true "Sioux" people. I will skim over what is being talked about in these forums, but that's about it. It is nice to see that even though I'm not here all the time I'm talked about.
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Wow, now I know y'all are getting desperate!! You should raid their cabinets, I bet you'll find Land-O-lakes brand food and calumet baking powder. That'll make them racists for sure.
As for the Aztecs, well I can't really comment on them because were assimilated/beaten/raped/conquered 100's of years ago by the Spanish, heck I don't even know one person who can speak Aztec and I know many many natives.
But desperate times call for desperate measures. Vent people vent, get it all out!!!!!
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Not to mention hideous and unsightly. The car gives an image of the name that brings a bad taste to my mouth... tastes like vomit.
Does it just make you wanna "RRRRRAAAAALLLLLPPPPHHHH"? lolol
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And do any of them look "Indian" enough for GrahamKracker? We need to know that, too.
They are more indian than you, that's for sure. As for who they are, they are doing good, but what does this even have to do w/ the situation here at UND? They ARE Native, are YOU? So what's the point?
I bet LaFranz, or whatever the his name is, isn't touring any reservations (besides his dads, even then I bet he has nothing to do w/ the Flandreau people.) If he did, we'd probably hear more from them standing up for UND, but I haven't
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Speaking of Native Americans serving in the military...
UND Center For Rural Health To Look At American Indian Veteran Health
Merry Christmas!
Yeah, did you bother to ask Dr. McDonald "his" stance on the name? lol, HELL NO.....because if you did you'd find out most of the N/A Vets on this campus are against it.
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Kracker,
I have done my history. UND (in the 1930's) asked and received permission to use the name. Don't get all of your info from the Dakota Student archives. That is only one source. I have seen the microfiche documents from the Dakota student. My Dad was going to school here at that time. He did not look at Native Americans as less than human and neither did a lot of other people. He was a friend to your people years ago and supported them with jobs and financial help. There have been many people who have looked at your culture as no different than any one else and tried to help. Believe me it isn't always easy to help!
I am not arguing at that time in history Native Americans were treated as equal citizens. The Fighting Sioux name did not solve the racial prejudice at the time. I believe it was a step in the right direction back then. I have reviewed documents that indicate UND received permission to use the name. In a recent column in the Herald, Doreen Yellowbird who is an opponent of the name, did admit UND asked and received permission to use the name. I saw old pictures of the celebration that took place at Ft. Yates around that time. OK, the past is past.
I accept that today the representatives from the Sioux nation have stated they don't want us to use the name. I don't think it is as simple as that. I think it will cost too much money to change the name and I think we will lose an opportunity to use the name as a bridge between cultures and a building block to help kids on the reservation. My opinion is as simple as that but making it happen wouldn't be so simple. Do your leaders not understand how much good will they would get by trying to find a compromise on this issue?
Now if you disagree, I don't think you are a coward, or hiding or ignorant or a dumb norwegian. I suspect you have a position of leadership within the UND Native American community and it may be worth your while if you are going to work to get the name changed to quit calling people names who disagree with you. At one time you had mentioned the posssibility of a compromise. Are you still willing to consider one? If not have a Merry Christmas and I hope your finals went well. I will try to look you up some day at the cultural center. Will they know who Graham Kracker is?
Please bring your information/pics/articles stating your facts over to the NAPS because I have NEVER seen anything that has stated that UND was given this name in the 30's. I would much like to see these articles. If you don't have them, maybe you can tell me where I might find them.
Back in the day, the black people didn't mind slavery. Women didn't mind not owning land or not being able to vote. That mindset has changed over the years, though. Just like this logo issue. At one point in history, yeah, it was okay to make a Nation into a logo. Not anymore. the SIOUX Nation has asked UND to stop using its name as their logo. Plain and simple.
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Kracker,
UND athletes and fans are not impersonating Native Americans. That is where I think the cultural disconect seems to be. You make this issue so much more than it is. UND has never tried to become Sioux Indians or impersonate them. UND named their athletic teams the Fighting Sioux about 70 years ago with permission from your ancestors. You should be educated enough to know that is all it was. No more and no less.
I have tons of research/pictures that beg to differ on your opinion. As for my "ancestors" giving this name, you should really do your history on this issue. I haven't found ANY documentation of Natives setting foot on this campus until at least the 60's. As for where the name came from, when I have time I will fax some documents for you to look at. Do you really think that in 1930, only 5 years after Native Americans became citizens of this country, that UND would even have ANYTHING to do w/ the Sioux people? At that time in history, Indians were looked at as less than human, do your history.
But the past is the past, we can't change that. But RIGHT NOW, in the PRESENT, the SIOUX NATION does not want UND to use the Sioux as its mascot/logo/moniker/nickname. Simple as that.
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No. Because you suggested those names as nicknames for the UND teams. No one is suggesting those racist terms for American Indians to be used as the offician name of UND teams.
a Nazi is racist? Nah, they are just a part of history. My ancestors killed many, many Germans. My ancestors also killed many, many japanese people, and at the time they called them "Japs". Hell, I was watching the History Channel the other day and famous Admirals proudly talked about "Killing the Japs".
My point is that even if the intentions may have been good in the beginning, Like the Fighting Sioux.....it eventually becomes "not-so-nice", especially in a part of the country where Natives have been treated like sh*t for the last 150 years, do you really think that because UND used this name that Caucasian people have treated Indians w/ more respect? If you do, you need to open your eyes more.
Whatever your reason to complain, just remember that the SIOUX NATION is not behind UND's use of the FS logo/mascot/name. If you need copies of the resolutions, just tell me where to send them to.
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You do this or you do that and that makes you that much better then so and so. Everyone else is just a wannabe Sioux. Jada Jada Jada. Considering all the traits that represent the Sioux warrior, Strength, Honor, Pride in the people, Devotion, Wisdom, and Spiritual Strength, I and many others who you have claimed superiority over, are more Sioux than you.
We don't preach hate, we don't preach intolerance, we don't preach superiority over anyone.
Wannabe Sioux. So you're saying your Sioux? Wow, the brainwashing worked! I wonder how many white people have stated this fact to me over the last couple years, too many to count. Yet, when I go back to my Sioux reservation, I don't see them anywhere.
You think so highly of yourself, but you are nothing. You hide behind your posts. Keep hiding because that's the way things are done on this messageboard.
As for your comments, if you truly had "honor, pride, devotion, wisdom, spiritual strength" and you didn't preach "hate, intolerance, and superiority" then this name issue wouldn't even be an issue because you would have seen long ago that the people who you claim to honor doesn't want you to honor them anymore.
I wonder if other Institutions have this discussion? I wonder if the Gophers, Badgers, Pioneers, etc, etc, hold so proudly to their mascots....I wonder if they "think" they are what their mascots are....I wonder if they put as much devotion into it, or if its just here.
I wonder about the people who say they will be "Sioux forever" and wear Sioux across their ass and live and die by Sioux wins and loses, I wonder if they even know how stupid they look impersonating a people that they know nothing about. I wonder.
CBS Sports will be on campus Sat.
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Most everyone tries to rationalize with me, who? Everything I say in here is taken out of context. and "I" don't want to embrace the truth? What truth? The truth that the Sioux Nation is against the use of the name? Now THAT is the truth.
From your perspective, all we, the Lakota, must do in life is dance and perform in your eyes. That is VERY far from the truth. You know nothing about our heritage. And one more thing, the Sioux nation has NOTHING to do with hockey, not one thing. Go look in your history books. This SiouxHockey crap is one made up in the 50's, and trust me, the Sioux people have been around a hell of a lot longer than hockey.
You think its honor, what if I took your daughter/sister as my wife to "honor" her, yet she didn't want anything to do with me. Is she right to think its not honor, or am I right for thinking I'm honoring her? Think about it.