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You should be banned for that spelling error.

Here are some observations on the Grafton/RR Championship game and the 6 player controversy. I have watched the re-play a number of times and have asked myself the question, "What would I have done had I been a coach or a player on the bench and knew that my team had too many men on the ice?" I think the reasonable person (coach or player) would call a player off if they knew of the violation. Grafton had an advantage with the power play so why would anyone knowingly risk the loss of that advantage with their own violation (too many men) - especially in a game that is televised. As such, I discount anyone who suggests that Grafton coaches were aware of the violation. A reasonable person is not going to risk the advantage that they already have. The fact that the violation was missed is unfortunate and ideally it should have never happened. There is no basis for defending that error. However, it does not absolutely follow that a team will score a goal because they have an advantage in player numbers. It is only natural for those on the short end of the outcome to attribute the score to the fact that an extra player was on the ice. Such a situation does not automatically mean that a team will always score. They may well have scored anyway if the extra player was not on the ice. Interestingly, at the point at which the goal was scored there were three players back near the blueline. In any case, the lack of a call created, in the least, some adversity for Red River. They are an excellent team and they dug hard to prevail in the overtime and overcome that adversity. For that they deserve great credit. It is tough to be the favorite from the beginning of the season up to the last, and most important game, and then not win. Credit to both teams for a great game. Congrats to Grafton on their state championship.

Your points about the ethical issues, fairness, etc. as norms that should be upheld by coaches are well-taken. My question is this, in this particular game can a referee make a call that he did not see based on the observation of a coach of the team that made the infraction? From what I have read on this board so far, it seems that the coach could not have an impact on the ref. You state, that "..supervising adults, if they knew, could have corrected an obvious injustice and not have tainted the outcome." Again, can a ref make a call that they personally did not see, based on the observation of a supervising adult (coach)? I think the answer to that question is "no". If I am wrong on this please indicate this based on the rules of the game.

Sorry about that - no facts this time. I will get to work on that. Watched Grafton and Bismarck as well as Red River and South tonight. Very entertaining games.

What was the final spread in the score for the Red River game on Thursday?

Nick Krebsbach was not cut but was put on the junior varsity at Minot. He is indeed a legitimate transfer. Irmen is spelled with an "e".

Nick Krebsbach was one of the top forwards on the Red River team from the time that he enrolled. I do not have his stats handy but his points were not too far from the totals of Irmen and Potulny. If I remember correctly, the year that all three were sophomores Nick was about 10-15 points behind the totals of Ryan and Danny. Nick had 70 points in 108 games with the Bismarck Bobcats after graduating from Red River. He did play for a year or two at D-1 Wayne State and then returned to North Dakota to complete college.

Nick Krebsbach was not cut but was put on the junior varsity at Minot. He is indeed a legitimate transfer. Irmen is spelled with an "e".

The Forum listed the players tendered by the F/M Jets and they include North Dakota players Tyler Swanson of West Fargo and Tyler Klein of Fargo North. The Jets also tendered 5 Minnesota players and a forward from Omaha of the USHL.

From the standpoint of the USHL it means that the rights of these players are held by the USHL teams that drafted them. If they want to leave high school they would still, typically, have to perform well enough in the final tryout to merit a spot on the team. Given the quality of players drafted into the USHL in the early rounds one might expect that a late draft, as these two players experienced, might have some meaning after they finish high school, as opposed to the present. If a USHL team really wanted them now they most likely would have drafted them higher. I would expect that these players will be in high school hockey next year. On the other hand, they might also be drafted on May 22nd when the NAHL has their draft and with some of the NAHL teams being close to Grand Forks, it might be an option. The meaning of some of these draft picks is often unclear. A couple of years ago the Lincoln Stars drafted Sidney Crosby when he was as Shattuck St. Mary's, where he played for one year. There was some speculation that he might want to stay in the U.S. and play college hockey. That was an extreme long shot as Sid (or "The Next One" as some called him) was expected to play for Rimouski Oceanic for a year or two and then on to the NHL. So, did Lincoln waste a draft pick or just roll the dice on a long shot? In any case, the meaning of these late drafts will most likely be unclear for a year or longer. In brief, it is unlikely that these players will be early defections into the highly competitive USHL.

I see that Ryan Laducer was drafted today by the Lincoln Stars of the USHL. It was in a late round. Alex Simonson was also picked as the final player in the draft.

Well, yeah, Spehar went to my wife's high school Duluth East. Since 1991, if you want to compare ND to Minn the names are Darby Hendrickson (Yes), Bonin (?), Checco (?), Crowley (Yes), Rasumusen (?), Spehar (No) Miskokvich (?), Pohl (yes), taffe (?), Martin (?), Sertich (no), Guyer (no). If I had my old copies of Let's Play Hockey I could answer the question as they list Minnesota players in the NHL but I tossed them a couple of months ago. Actually, this really points out how tough it is to make it in the NHL and that perhaps, the Mr. Hockey award is not that great of an indicator of success at the NHL level. Can anyone help out on some of these players?

Well, from the data that I have in front of me, which includes the names of all Mr. Hockey winners from 1991 to the present the answer would be none. Not sure why you are asking the question (e.g. are you interested in how many ND hockey players are in the NHL, or just focusing on the Mr. Hockey winner, maybe using this as a proxy measure for something, etc, etc). Being a small state, in terms of population and the number of hockey teams, it is not unusual for some North Dakota players to leave high school early for juniors. Many of those players would have been a Mr. Hockey and some of them have played games in the NHL (Ryan Potulny for one and Danny Irmen is another). Minnesota has a strong high school hockey culture and many of the top end players stay and plan through their senior year - and win the Mr. Hockey award. On the Minnesota side, the interesting question would be (given the large number of players who stay and play high school hockey, and the high quality of the players) how many Minnesota Mr. Hockey winners have not played in the NHL.

Congrats to the team, coaches, and parents on a job well done.

The heating system in the downtown buildings may well be more efficient than the those on most college campuses based on the complaints I have heard from several colleges/universities. Also, NDSU already has a presence downtown with their Architecture program so any travel time (I think it takes 4-5 minutes to get downtown) is minimal and there would be economies of scale with another set of buildings downtown in terms of plant services and campus mail. So expanding in the downtown area would add some new economies.