Flatland
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So if everyone is entitled to ~$50K a year, you are willing to pay increased costs for this? Could you imagine all of the restaurants that would shut down? Any industry that relies heavily on labor would be forced to shut down (or move somewhere else). The prices for any type of service would go up significantly. You would force the poorest of us to pay more for the basics. I would have to change my own oil and cut my own hair. (Fortunately, I'm losing it, so that problem will go away.
)The fact is that the market sets the price. Doctors are paid more because there are not very many of them. A bartender is not paid very much because there are a lot of people who can do the job.
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NDSU grad is completely correct. I'll add on top of it that anytime the government tries to help out, it always back fires against the American consumer. (Great Depression, 70's gas shortage, etc.) Ultimately, the only people that can be blamed are the individual consumers. Gas prices are only high because we use so much. The good thing is that when prices become too high, alternatives start to be developed.
My biggest problem with the government is that they mess up the "free market" with regulation. Granted there are times when it is necessary, but in many cases, particulary in regards to nuclear energy, regulation is ridiculous. This ultimatly causes energy prices to be unncessarily high. (as an example, if nuclear cannot be used, more people will be forced to use alternatives like natural gas which of course comes from oil.)
If you want something to be done, then I would suggest riding a bike more often or buying a smaller car or moving closer to your job or whatever... there are lots of options.
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Next time though, it would be nice not to have to listen to the "racist mascot" cheer.
Not very classy.
Before the Denver/Wis. game I didn't know who to cheer for, but that changed quickly. I even heard it during the Denver/Wisco game. Now my opinion of Badger fans isn't very high. Heard the chant both nights in different sections of the arena.
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Anyone who thinks that the oil companys are ripping off the public should do what any good capitalist should do... Start an oil company.
Oh... and you can't come back here and complain that government regulations and taxes make it too difficult to be competitive.
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there is nothing like the dew at the pepper
There is nothing like a salami grinder and dew at the pepper at 12:30am after hockey. (Don't forget extra sauce!)
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Just got back from the game...
The defense in this game had nothing to do with the players performing. I was very frustrated for about 3 qtrs watching the matchup of the UND defense against the Mankato offense. It was like I was watching some sort of prevent defense the whole game. There was no pressure on the quarterback (most of the time only 3 pass rushers) until the coaches finally mixed it up in the 4th quarter (after going down by 10)and went with a different defensive package. For most of the game, King had all the time in the world. Actually, if King would have been a little more patient, it might have resulted in an extra TD. Short passes were open all the time.
Also, it was obvious that Mankato was doing reasonably well stopping the run and I figured that good things might happen when UND came out on the field (down by 10) and started with 5 WRs.
The bottom line is that I feel that UND was lucky to get away with the win, but the total lack of flexibility to adjust to the field conditions and a different team leave me worried that UND will have problems in the future.
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Doggoneit, I thought I was the furthest away (although I had to think about it.)
Originally from Watford City, went to UND, moved to MN, transferred to Chiang Mai, Thailand and I've been here for about 15 months. When 2 yrs are up, will move back to the US, but I don't know where. I would like to go back to N. Dakota, but I don't think that it's likely.
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in the opposite direction.
I was bored at work today so I starting readng articles put out by different name change groups (most of it tied to SCSU). Their articles only pushed my stand on the issue further away from their viewpoint.
One thing that is brought up is how they say that nobody would name a team the Whites or the Negros. However, what if major league baseball decided to bring in a team that called themselves the Negros which is named after the athelets from the Negro League? Of course, uniformed people would be shocked at the name. Actually, a better example would be to think about what if this team has been in the major leagues for 70 years now. (The Negro league existed into the 50's) What would have happened? Based on the history of the Negro league, I would think that it would be severly offensive to change the name from Negros to something else. (I have a feeling someone is going to flame me for this.)
Maybe there should be a baseball team named the Hispanics. There isn't much difference between this and a hockey team called the Canadiens.
The only reason nobody picks the whites as a team name is because it is too generic. A team called the whites leaves me with no feeling, but if you say your team is the Vikings, Scots, Irish, etc, etc... only then can I link a feeling with the name. Even the term Dakotan is now too generic. Who would I think of? The native american or a farmer? We always link names back to ethnicity so we understand why a university would choose the name.
Anyways, call me a racist, I don't care. I don't see how anyone in these arguments can avoid that label regardless of what side you are on. I'm just tossing some thoughts around.
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Jesse Oxendine, who quarterbacked for the Braves in the early 1950s, gave the uniforms his blessing.
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The Colorado Springs paper had a blurb in today's paper under the heading SIOUX SEND MESSAGE. It stated that the announcement made before each game at The Ralph honoring the Sioux culture and heritage "appears to counter" Harper's allegations that use of the Fighting Sioux nickname is offensive and wrong. It also stated that the message earned a standing ovation both nights.
I think it is a great idea to have visiting teams read the same announcement before every game. I'd like to hear the response as to why they would refuse. In fact, wouldn't their refusal promote the hostile and abusive environment they claim exists by use of the name?
It's ok to be hostile and abusive to UND, UND alumni, and students; but not to native americans.
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Score anyone?
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Again, what world are you living in? The conservative movement is based almost 100% on fear and speculation. Guns are not on the verge of being banned (despite what the NRA would tell you) and neither are Bibles (the Righties used this tactic in West Virginia to help secure Dubya's re-election a couple of years ago). Traditional marriage is not in danger of being destroyed and neither is Christmas.
Nancy Pelosi will have to govern from the political center as Speaker of the House if she hopes to get anything done and keep power in 2008. This is something the righties forgot about, which is why they lost on Tuesday. As for Bush not vetoing any bills, that was when the House and Senate were rubber-stamps for his agenda. Now that Democrats control both houses, you will see more and more vetoes (his only veto up until now was the stem-cell research bill).
This is a forum for Sioux sports, so I will not comment further on politics and government. I guess both of us are going to have to agree to disagree on this and get back to discussing our mutual distaste for the NCAA Politburo and Secretary-General Myles Brand. And our mutual love for all things Fighting Sioux.
Sorry, but I can't let this slide. "Fear and Speculation" is not what runs the conservative movement. Conservatives have a strong moral base (abortion, gay rights, etc) along with strong feelings with fiscal responsibility. Some items like welfare even mix the moral standards with finances. Democrats have been losing elections primarily because they have been seen as moving away from the conservatives moral base. Conservatives started winning elections in the 80/90's because of things like the "contract with America" when congress said that they were balancing the budget, etc. Republicans lost this campaign because of the ridiculous spending and Iraq. If democrats try to raise taxes (as the Republicans say they might) and this Iraq mess clears up then the GOP should be able to win back seats in 2008. I don't see the Democrats changing their moral positions anytime soon.
I now return you to the currently scheduled forum.
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Absolutely!
Ditto here. IMHO, smack only hurts reasonable discussions among the other threads. (Turning decent discussions into flame fests)
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This Associated Press story has some of the facts wrong, but one thing it successfully does is portray the NCAA policy as being a hopelessly inconsistent mess.
Schools fight back on NCAA mascot ban
Officials say move haphazard, uneven; most just unhappy with decision
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This whole argument is flawed. I don't deny that the NCAA is being inconsistent in its ruling to these universities, but if it WERE consistent, then everybody would be asked to change rather than complete acceptance of Native American symbols by any university that chooses to adorn on on themselves.
This is 2006. Some (maybe only a few) people are offended by these symbols. It's a distraction from all of the good things that UND stands for.
Dr. K ought to recognize that.
Ummm.... Now I'm confused. I thought that this was a distraction caused by the NCAA months ago. This wasn't Kup's fault. Isn't Kup's distraction being caused by the NCAA's distraction? The NCAA isn't supposed to be legislating individual school's policies. I seem to remember something about the NCAA standing for National Collegiate Athletic something or other. Also, if only a few people are offended by these symbols, why are we talking about it here; and why does the NCAA even care? Wouldn't they just say that they are staying out of it?
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$3000?... Now, that's funny. I also don't know how many times this needs to be said, but UND still does have approval from the nearest tribe. Just because they refuse to talk to both sides, doesn't mean that has changed.
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And you don't think the NCAA considered the legal ramifications of this? Really? Who do you think is running this organazation, a bunch of monkeys? Do you know how many lawyers work for the NCAA? You don't think maybe this whole thing might have crossed one or two of their desks on the way up?
Look, I said it in the post above, but I'll say it again. If marquette changed their name, and Illinios hasn't brought this to court, there's probably a good reason for it. I don't know why you think UND is going to walk all over the NCAA on this.
I never said UND would walk over the NCAA. People for the change keep saying that we think that, but any rational person would be foolish to think it would be "easy." I also said that the NCAA probably fills immune to lawsuits because of previous wins. They overlooked most of the information in the appeals about anti-trust and said basically that they don't care. I would imagine that a lawsuit could be closely contested, but the case has already been made here over and over and in the local papers about the financial impact that would be caused. When you bring in the fact that the closest alternative to the NCAA has a significant reduction in revenue (and competition) to the university, anti-trust arguments start to creep in.
There is a good reason that this hasn't been brought to court... It's called the NCAA appeals process. I know it was slow, but a university would look foolish not to first exhaust it's appeals. UND so far has the most to lose at this point anyway. Illinois gets to keep its name and I would think they may decide to let it go and make the few changes that are necessary. I would hope the speed in any potential lawsuit would proceed faster, but I don't expect it to happen quickly for my convenience.
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Kup now has the opportunity to speak frankly and avoid all the necessary point-by-point arguments that he already made in the appeals, now that the NCAA has basically said they are done with their decisions. He spoke with very direct retoric that clearly shows the appeals weren't even considered. Basically, the NCAA never saw what they were looking for, which was approval from the tribes. They never seemed to consider the legalities of what they were doing which was one of the things UND showed in the appeals. Probably because the NCAA believe they are immune from a lawsuit. I'd be interested to see how UND lays the groundwork for this lawsuit. It's probably somewhere between anti-trust and free speech.
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Sawasdee Flatland!
Gotta work tomorrow! Plus, I stayed out way too late last night and the 4-hour drive back to ER after the game would have been BRUTAL!
Hey - aren't you supposed to be working?
Yeah, I think something's going on today,
but there would have to be major problems here before I give up on getting updates. Fortunately, the game starts just a little before I get to work here in the morning so it's a nice way to get through a Monday morning. -
Isn't the over-the-net camera angle the only one the refs can use for an official review? I doubt they could determine a high stick from that angle.
It's good.
Holy smokes, the snake isn't at the game? Wow...
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In order to make these comparisons, you have to tell us how a logo is keeping you from getting a job, preventing achievement, etc. Last I checked, I didn't think that native american's are being locked up anywhere.
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The name a catalyst? you are 100% full of it. The name has absolutely NOTHING to do w/ my education here. The only thing I learned about the name is that NON-Sioux people think they are honoring you by wearing green wigs and forcing so called "honor" down your throats.
Go look in the brochures they use to entice Natives to come to this place. Go look in the Tribal College Journals. There is not ONE mention of FS BS anywhere.
As for asking others to step outside of their "bubble", good luck truesioux. Especially on this board. But you can't say it's a midwest thing, because I know many, many people from the midwest who are willing to learn from others. I would probably specify that level of ignorance to more this region/town.
Remember when the SI article came out about RALPHIE? Man that pissed people off, or when the NY Times article came out? Yeah, well now that I think about it, just about "every article pertaining to the FS BS" portrays ND in negative light........yeah, I can see why everyone is defensive.
It doesn't help that there isn't a single SIOUX TRIBE that is behind UND.
ps. If you don't have anything to say positive about the racist logo/nickname, "they" don't want to hear it, even if it is legitimate and the truth.
Hey guess what! The name had nothing to do with my education either. Strangely enough though the name does motivate UND to sponser many already mentioned programs. These programs do draw native americans to the school as I personally know a few so to say the name does not provide opportunities for at least some native americans is ignorant. Unfotunately, I had to get by on my brain. What a bummer, eh?
Also I don't know what you mean by posting about the Tribal College Journals. It looks like a good group, but seems completely unrelated to your point. Those are good schools founded by native american people, but I don't know why they would necessarily care about UND. The Fighting Sioux name seems a little out of their subject matter. (Apparently they have more important things to worry about.) As far as recruiting native american students, UND just has different opportunites to offer compared to these schools.
Actually, speaking of being defensive and changing the subject somewhat... How come whenever we discuss issues on the reservations all we hear about (or at least most of what I see) is blaming it on americans or the american government or whatever? There are obviously groups working to improve the reservation and you are probably helping, but the situation is not improving (I do have firsthand experience... I'm not just quoting someone else.) I've seen references to treaties and such, but it's obvious that the american civilization and culture has outgrown all that. That's likely why native american's were granted citizenship in the 40's. It was obvious that the treaties were not entirely maintainable. The US government wants people to take care of themselves. (and so would I).
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I've been hovering and watching this debate for some time.
The sentiments of those wanting to change the logo and name are quite disheartening, and the tone I get from most pro-name change messages here on this board is that the values and morals of the peoples from the Midwest/NCAA/anywhere are still very closed-minded, full of hatred, racism and bigotry towards those different than themselves.
Prove me wrong. Take an afternoon and read the appeals and rebuttal the UND has compiled. Then come back to this thread and tell us how the Sioux name is offensive. (Example: how does the name prevent native americans from moving up in the world when in fact the name is a catalyst to help many native americans succeed?)
It may change how you look at this issue, it may not, but I feel that it will open your heart and mind to the nature of the people who live here now and who also respect those who lived here before us. Show a little respect, try to understand those on the other side of the issue as much as you can, before making a decison based upon only your interpretation of events.
Thanks for taking the time to read this message, I hope that some of you will take the time now to do a little research of your own.
I had to edit those comments because this argument has been going on for a long time. ("You're a racist!"... "No, you're a racist.") It's really easy to invert the comments in something like this and make the argument for the other side. It appears that either someone is wrong, or there are a lot of ignorant people on both sides. Probably both, but I'm not wrong.
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What I think is interesting how GK can use the color of one's skin, facial features, etc. to define whether or not he is really a true native American. It's pretty obvious that over the next several generations the native American population will become more and more integrated into the American society. Currently, the reservations actually do a good job of maintaining cultural sovereignty; but this is likely only a small inhibiter to change. I guess the point I'm making is that GK's descendents, somewhere down the road, will likely look similar to Yttrium or myself. (I don't know what Yttrium looks like.
)This whole argument is going to seem rather silly in a couple generations. Some items which some people think are extremely important right now will fade if a large enough number of people do not care enough to carry those ideas on. Then we'll all say, "Why do we care about this?... Oh, nevermind... GO SIOUX!"
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Actually, I don't quite think I made my point. The fact is that those positions (bartenders, barbers) would stop existing because people would refuse to pay for them. Many of those jobs do not need to exist. They exist because people want things. There are some needs to be filled obviously, but most jobs would be eliminated.
If the government adjusted it's tax code to redistribute wealth (so that the minimum wage was $50K), then where is my incentive to go through college and get a degree for a job that would normally pay, say $55K? This is a definite way to create a permanent lower class. There will be a glut of workers who would rather be paid the $50K than go through college. As a result, you would loose many educated workers that the US economy needs to compete in the international market.
Actually, the ones who actually did go through college would probably wind up with even higher salaries because of a low supply of educated personnel. This would widen the salary base even more than we have now and would very likely make your problem (a more evenly distributed income) worse. As a continuation, you might say, "Then the government will determine a base salary for any job to prevent this from happening." This will create a shortage and there will be a lack of people to do the job. I would imagine at this point that a significant black market would start to pop up to compensate for government interference similar to the one that operated in the old Soviet Union.