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  1. I believe that local newspapers probably had a large influence. In my case, the McKenzie County Farmer's Editor was on board with a "yes" vote and Omdahl also had a article printed. Both of these explained the measures rationally and probably help push the result toward yes.

  2. Sorry DaveK, doesn't look like our votes are going to matter. ;)

    Apparently Western ND is more pro-nickname I hear? Still would be surprised if this got even remotely close at all. This is a wider spread than I was expecting.

    I don't know why people would think there is a difference from east to west. I grew up there (McKenzie) and there wasn't much difference except that maybe people are a little less attached to both the major universities.

  3. Is it just me or didn't that article just reaffirm global warming is real and exists?

    Just not at such a rapid pace "computers" thought, NASA (other people trying to predict) have a says global warming is still "real".

    The fact that the world has warmed isn't in dispute. What is in question is how much of the warming is attributable to human-based emissions. The study indicates that the globe is giving off heat at a rate greater than what they are currently using in their models. This would indicate that their models would then be overstating the projected temperature increase over the next century. Additionally, this would lesson the multipliers for "warming feedback" and so on and would force them to revisit climate models entirely.

  4. wxman... You had a decent post, but as a "skeptic" I have a bit of a problem with people who hold the warming position. It primarily has to do with the poor rhetoric and catastrophic scenarios that the "warming" side put forward which has so many on this board upset. The fact is that solutions that have been put forward (carbon tax, cap-and-trade, etc.) provide a nearly negligible impact while enacting a serious economic burden. The fact is that I haven't been sold on the fact that a warmer world is worse than a cooler one. Clearly, we want to have clean energy technology, but CO2 is far from a pollutant; especially compared to most industrial gasses which for the most part have been tremendously reduced over the past several decades.

    I was happy to see that you are at least willing to talk about ocean cycles and solar irradiance, but you're totally downplaying solar irradiance's effect. Recorded data over the last 400 years has had solar irradiance at it's highest until this last decade. Actually, this cycle has been surprisingly inactive compared to the previous cycles. Also, do you have a source for the 40%+ number? One problem that I always have with this argument is that increased temperatures will cause CO2 to be released from oceans/streams/lakes. How much of the increase in CO2 is simply due to an increased temperature? I know that this is one of the proposed feedback loops, but if solar irradiance, ocean cycles, or something else is primarily responsible this greatly would downplay the anthropogenic argument.

  5. Additionally, there are specific programs that were created to give NA's an advantage. The most obvious one that I can think of is InMED. The med school provides openings into medical school that are held only for native americans. I know a couple people who have taken advantage of these. It is unlikely they would have made it into med school without it.

  6. As soon as Obama invades a country for NO reason resulting in the deaths of tens of thousands innocent civilians, 4,000 American soldiers, ruins our reputation around the world not to mention leaving us with the worst economy since the great depression, then you can compare the two. Until then you got nothing.

    The current topic has devolved to the point that I'm surprised it's not shut down yet, but here it goes...

    I could never vote for a Democratic president because of 58,000 American deaths, not to mention the deaths of up to 6 million Laotians and Vietnamese...

    How's that for logic. I don't blame you for being upset with the poor spending, Iraq, etc..., but saying you could never vote for a Republican again is silly since both parties make poor decisions often. Personally, I blame the legislature the most, but you can't pin the issues there on one person.

    Do the right thing... become a libertarian :)

  7. You're comparing apples to oranges.

    Those companies that are already using processes that don't emit carbon will not see price increases.

    Actually, all will because this effects utility prices. On top of that, most companies raw materials have to go through some manufacturing/refining. This will increase the costs all along the supply chain.

  8. Companies can't just pass those costs on when their competitors aren't raising their costs.

    For example, Wendy's can't just jack the price of their burgers up a $1 each if Burger King isn't raising their prices.

    But to your point they can't just pay these huge fees and stay in business.

    Hmm, what to do? I guess they'll be forced to upgrade their processes to be compliant! That will create new jobs and consumers will be the big winners.

    You've completely missed my point. You think just one business will raise prices? Wrong. The government doesn't just tax one company. This cap and trade is pushed into every company's balance sheet. In order to keep a reasonable profit margin all companies will be forced to raise prices.

    As to your point about forcing their processes to be compliant, you don't know what you're talking about. There will be some CO2 capture which will be done by some companies which may have to higher a few people, but the higher operating costs is more likely to result in fewer jobs ACROSS THE ENTIRE ECONOMY, not more (unless you are talking about government jobs which I still regard as a net loss on the economy.) So one industry (carbon capture and sequestration) booms and all the rest (manufacturing, petroleum, etc) are forced to recoup the cost.

  9. It's all over for big carbon emitters. Either fix your process or pay the price, consumers win either way.

    Yeah... That's funny. The consumers are the ones that wind up paying for this. It's not like companies can just absorb this costs without going out of business. Costs due to government are always passed to the consumers.

  10. Your best bet maybe just offer him another hosed to have to make sure he's not dumping it into your property.

    Also, with the freezing temps. Wouldn't it be better for the dike reinforcements if the sandbags freeze once they're all in place?? If so, it might even be smart to soak the bags a little afterwords just to make them just a little more watertight.

    We are at the point in the year where things are warming too much for that to happen. Temps going below freezing only slows melting. Anything like a sandbag pile will not refreeze except maybe the very outer layer. We'd have to have a long period of temps significantly below freezing to have that happen.

  11. Sorry about the loss on your house, but on the other side I bought a foreclosed home last year and saved a bunch. Needless to say though, there was a very wide selection of houses on the market (as well as signs for house auctions) All these foreclosures have dramatically increased the supply of houses to the market and has driven prices down across the entire market. I feel bad for people I know who bought houses in '04-'06 during the height of the housing bubble when housing was definitely over-priced. Most of them didn't have much of a choice since they were changing jobs, etc... In retrospect, the smart thing to do at that time would have been to wait to move or rent in the new location. (which is not much of an option for many families)

  12. There's a good reason why it's "in". Their agenda appears to be to screw over all but the very wealthiest of us. What's up with that? Unless you're obnoxiously wealthy or obnoxiously religious there is no appeal whatsoever to the Republican party. Is anybody really surprised they've become the butt of so many jokes as of late? :D

    And the Democratic party is better? You've got to be kidding. Unless you are in a union or on welfare there is no appeal whatsoever to the Democratic party. Obama wants to raise corporate payroll tax. This would really hurt my company (<50 employees) which is currently being supported by the "obnoxiously wealthy" (I'm in a venture capital startup). Guess I'll have to vote for the better of two evils.

    It's too bad the "obnoxiously wealthy" have nothing better to do than invest their money in business that actually creates real jobs.

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