EternalOptimist

The question is: Was it for the $$ or did he just want out?

That's still on the coaches, not the players. I'm pretty sure they didn't want to sit at the end of the bench for 3 years.

Interesting tidbit about Yale. He played on the same AAU team as Doppler and Erickson (ND Phenom). Erickson was the main starter and noticably better than Yale all the games I watched. It's interesting how 3 years later the difference in the two - or perceived difference.

I'd be shocked if we got either, but I have no inside track on either of them. I do know that BJ has had the injury bug since leaving UND. I would assume he still believes he can play at the HM level, and I would imagine that some HM schools believe this as well. He will also most likely be able to receive a decent NIL package (probably not as large as the ones he has had, but more than UND can produce) As far as Amar goes. If I recall, his family (particularly a brother I believe), wasn't happy with the UND experience for his brother and was vocal about it. Amar also picked up and moved back to Iowa the week after the SLT ended and didn't come back. I assume he had on-line classes or something, but he left in a hurry.

Listed at 5'11, so probably 5'9 - 5'10 Should be interesting

At this point, I think the only returners will be Kraft, Jones, Micah Curtis, and Karson O. Add the incoming freshman Moore, and you have every position needed for a starting 5. 🤣

I think the money might be there for quite a while. It may only increase over time. My hunch is that what may change a bit is the control or liability on the agents and players. Right now you see a ton of agents out there repping pretty much anyone and everyone. From what I have seen, Guga, Marley, A3, and Greyson all had agents. Bothun's announcement didn't include (or wasn't from) an agent. At some point, these schools are going to have more dillegence when dealing with agents. Contracts will have more protection and will possibly be insentive based. Bad agents or agents who misrepresent will be washed out. Players that don't produce will get less then sticker price.

Greyson, Guga, A3, Marley Curtis, and Bothun I'm a bit surprised we haven't had more yet.

I don't know why that was, but to me it screams a lack of confidence, or some type of mental concern.

Well, Randall Herbst is the head coach at Minot State. Randall, as everyone probably knows, was an assistant coach at UND under Sather before becoming the head coach at Minot. He left under good terms. I would assume the lines of communication should be strong and honest. If he fits what Sather wants, Sather should have a decent shot at him.

🤣 You have a little something on your nose

Just my opinion, but he started every game for Minot State and averaged 8.8 ppg and 5 rpg. I would bet $ that Erickson could do that at Minot State. So you essentially are looking at another Erickson. I would pass but of course Jones only averaged 2.8 ppg & 3.3 rpg - and many really like him - which I don't understand.

What is different about St Thomas? They don't have anyone listed in the portal on verbal commits. Is it the NIL $ or player/coach relationship, or a combination?

There are scholarships available at the D2 level. I guess if there are players at UND that didn't get recruited at any D2s only UND, I'd probably be nervous about it too, but I have to imagine that most of these players had interest from D2s before accepting the offer at UND. Even if they didn't play much, D2s will still be very interested.

I get your point and the answer is yes, I'd jump too if it were only about the money and everythingelse was the same. I've been employed for decades with the same company. I could go get another job and make more money. I don't because I like my job, my employer, and the people I work with. I think many kids jump for money, and loyalty is fleeting, but some of these players start looking because of they just don't like thier bosses. UND is light on NIL money, but as some have pointed out, there is some money there. I assume King and Anderson recieved a decent chunk of the UND pot. They are gone, and several others are leaving that probably shouldn't be. Maybe it's not about the $$. Greyson is an exception. I dont think he wanted to leave, but the $$ other schools are throwing at him is too much to ignore.

Do we know he is getting bad advice? Or could it be the relationship with the coaches were not what he wanted, so he want's out? I don't know. I do believe many of these kids get bad advice. It's the same with A3, did he get bad advice, or was the relationship with the coaches not good so he went looking for advice? The irony between Micah and Marley is they are extremely similar. Micah had a little better numbers coming out of HS, but they are identical twins with pretty much the exact skillsets. Why they are splitting is interesting.

So what do we know so far for UND: I believe this is where we currently stand Graduate: King, Thomas, Anderson Announced they are going into the portal: A3, Marley Curtis, Bothun That leaves: Kraft, Uelmen, Doppler, Micah Curtis, Guga, Erickson, Jones, Delorme, and Ouse My predictions: Still to leave the team: Uelmen, Doppler, Guga, Delorme, Ouse Staying: Kraft, Micah Curtis, Jones (although he could look around and decide to leave because everyone else is gone.

True to certain level. Treyson could have left a year earlier, but he was a ride or die guy that listened to Sather, and it worked out for him. Numerous others should have stayed another year but didn't. Sure, you can call it purely a business decision and put it on NIL but in reality, if their is a bond or mutual respect between coaches and players everyone succeeds. If it's more of a one way street and the coach has a transactional only style, you're more than likely going to see things happen that don't make sense. Which is what we see with this team.

I think the proof is in the pudding. I don’t know the numbers, but the ride or die guys are WAY lower (maybe a handful) than the guys that flee or don't care for him. Some of that can be explained by other factors like a lack of playtime. But we loose a lot of players that we probably shouldn't.

I would imagine the players meetings have all taken place by now. Others will start announcing soon. Coaches know where the players stand and there may be some negotiations. With A3, he most likely went into that meeting asking for an amount of money or a play time guarentee (or both), neither of which UND coaches wanted to guarentee. I still dont think Greyson returns, but with Moore and Hanson coming in, along with Kraft and a potential portal get, the coaches probably drew a line. That's why A3 is the 1st. Just my hunch.

I'm sure she would consider the UND women's team in with the Bison and the Rabbits - seems legit