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21 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:
Regardless of the Jones vs Sather comparison, this program deserves better than we have had for the last 5 years. I would love to be winning conference championships every other year like the xDSUs have done it seems but let’s just start with being in the conversation. We are, right now, what WIU is in football.
Normally I'd be all in on comparing the two coaches...but one has had to deal with the portal...one didn't have to. It's not quite apples to apples in my eyes.
Would Jones have been able to hold his best teams together if the portal was available? I kind of doubt it...to be fair that's not a critique of Jones either. He just never had to deal with that as a head coach.
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3 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
Which tells me he had better/deeper resources than the vast majority of the teams he was coaching against at D2 level.
At Northern...absolutely!
At Hills I think it was a different story...If you can win there...you can win just about anywhere. Interestingly enough their current coach Ryan Thompson has done an absolutely unreal job with the Jackets...he has them at 12-0 and #3 in D2 (after a D2 final four appearance last year). They also draw significantly more fans than we do. If you build it fans will show up, I guess. And if you can do it in Spearfish, SD...then you sure as heck should be able to do it in Grand Forks imo!
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I'll preface this by saying I went into this a huge Sather fan...and I think I still am. If UND makes a move after the end of this season, I won't be the least bit surprised to see Coach Sather go and have success at another school. You don't just elevate a program from nothing to National Title contender (BHSU) and then take a successful program and push it further (Northern) if you don't know how to coach. That being said...the portal (and how we've handled/adapted to it) has been a significant detriment to this program. I see one D1 and one D2 transfer into the roster, and a bunch of juco guys. Compared to what's transferred out, the talent deficiency is significant.
Of course...if you were a transfer portal D1 talent...is UND a school you'd want to play at? It's cold, isolated, not overly successful and posessing very average facilities. This becomes an issue of if you cut bait on Sather, who are you going to get to replace him that's any better, based on the resources being put into the program? I wouldn't hold my breath for a miracle worker, because Sather had a pretty good resume coming into the job. Maybe he was just a "D2 coach" as some say...but I'd argue that Northern supports basketball at a higher level than UND does. They have a nicer arena, much better fan support, and a high-profile coach for a D2 school.
This seems to be similar to the discussion on the football side with Bubba. Difference there in my opinion is that we support football at an average to above average rate in the FCS from an institutional level (although we lag far behind NDSU and SDSU so it doesn't feel that way). I don't think we come close to even average at the mid major level when it comes to institutional support for basketball, and we are "getting what we paid for" at some level. If I was evaluating our AD, this trend in perhaps the two most popular sports in this country would be a major issue. Can it be fixed? I don't know...hockey gets so much emphasis I'm not sure there's a stomach for anything more. But when I see the impact that building a solid mid-major basketball program has had on other schools in this country...it sure is awfully sour tasting to see us not even attempt to get there.
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I have my fair share of concerns with how things are currently going with our program...but I feel like we've adjusted as well as we could hope for with the portal! To add the USD receiver and two drop down DL (one a 300 lb NG thank you Jesus!)...has me encouraged! Good work to our staff for addressing some needs and using the portal as a source of opportunity.
Of course...these things don't pan out until they do...but to get these types of kids signed is a good first step imo!
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3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:
Below is @AJScurrent list of portal offers.
- Elidor (USD) - WR: Austin Peay, NAU, ISU-Red, McNeese State, UT-Martin <-- UND GOT HIM!
- Peterson (Iowa State) - D-Line: NDSU, UNC-Charlotte, ISU-Red, Kent State, WKU, ODU, UNI, USD
- Holmes (Northern Illinois) - D-Line: Murray State, Eastern Illinois, Samford
- Saltonstall (New Mexico) - D-Line: Samford, Tarleton <-- UND GOT HIM!
- Schuster (Syracuse) - O-Line: NIU, EMU, Ball State, ISU-Red, BGSU, USD
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Durfee (USF) - D-Line: Committed to Washington
This is very encouraging!
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20 hours ago, UND1983 said:
Write that check big shooter. Then it will change immediately.
I wrote the checks...as a consumer I've decided it's no longer worth it. I can follow the team with a similar fan experience for a lot less $$$.
Call me a bandwagon fan...call me whatever you want...but I'm not Elon Musk, and at some point potential needs to be realized to make my investment worth it. Also beyond that, UND doesn't really do a dang thing to engage donors that live more than 100 miles from the RRV. It is what it is on that front but my local university's foundation department has taken the time to build a relationship with me, and they get my money now. I will say I like the portal additions we have today...the portal seems to have been a net "W" for us this year. Hopefully we can keep adapting.
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2 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said:
Why do so many of you make excuses for mediocrity over and over again?
You missed the memo MH...you're not allowed to be a UND fan and publicly question how things are done with the program! We're just supposed to coach the same way, recruit the same way, administer the program the same way...and expect different results will just come! We have to #TrustTheProcess for ten years and it'll eventually pay off!
Or at least that's what I've been told both here and on social media...
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7 minutes ago, SuhakiYeahYeah said:
Damnit.
Tough break...but I'll never fault a kid for choosing a higher level opportunity. If anything, I hope we are encouraging...if it doesn't work out for him in Lincoln, I'd hope he has a positive memory of our program when the portal opens...
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On 12/14/2022 at 4:01 PM, Shawn-O said:
Kennedy tried to step in on this, look where it got him.
Kennedy was a goofy freaking dude...but as time goes on his legacy at UND will be more and more positive. At least he had some stones on him...in the end he got chased out of town for it. But sometimes what is best isn't what is popular. I think we see that a lot at UND...
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18 hours ago, iramurphy said:
Well what a surprise. It seems you always find someone to blame. Now you have labeled a group based on the color of their hair, characterized them as “stagnant “ blamed them for “conservatism” and based on hair color they are responsible for “UND’s lack of complete ascension” (though not entirely “). Of course as a board member of a multi million dollar business, and with your vast. experience having taken over failed businesses and turned them into Fortune 500 giants, all the time coaching 3 college sports to Championships you would know this. What about the red heads? Are they also a big part of the problem? I am curious as to what other than agree with your constant negative comments and firing everyone you want the gray hairs to do. How about the ones with big noses? Better yet big yabbas?
I doubt you have the ability to understand how stupid your recent posts are. Most can understand why you want a coaching change whether they agree or not. This recent post tells a lot about where you are coming from.Sorry been a busy week at work so I missed a couple days here.
First...I started the term gray hairs...I'll own it and I'll double down on it. Look at the average lower level seat holder between the 40s...it's not a young bunch. That's not abnormal...older folks have more $$$ to shell out. If you took offense to the term, well sorry I guess. I didn't mean it in a derogatory sense.
Second...The core UND folks get so damned defensive about anything critical it drives me nuts. In my line of work, if my company was happy with the status quo we would get buried eventually over time by competitors who are bigger, better, and richer than we are. Many of my coworkers are ok with that. Well ya know what? I AM NOT! I don't understand why it's so damned vilified on a message board of all places to question why we can't do better?!?
I don't always agree with UND-FB-FAN on many things, but I think him and I are on the same page here. I think what's worse than the shortcomings is the apathy that gets displayed from many of the "Pledge Your Loyalty 100% of the time" folks. I will tell you this, I'm not rich, but I was donating $2500 per year plus my season tickets on an annual basis. I discontinued this year. Multiple hour road trips just aren't worth it for me to follow this team the way it's currently run. It's easy enough for me to buy single game tickets, and I actually made it to all but two home games this year. Flame me for my lack of loyalty if you want, but people vote with their feet. I figure if I decide to get back in, I won't have any problem buying season tickets again given the apathy that's set in both at UND and nationwide.
Do I have some ideas? Perhaps...but that's not my job. There are people in administration that are in charge of those types of things...and I'd like to see them earn their paycheck every once in awhile. Maybe this is what's best for UND sports, and if it is I won't question it. But as a consumer it's not a product I feel the need to consume at a high dollar amount.
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5 minutes ago, Kab said:
Don’t knock the gray hairs
at least they attend the game and stay until it’s over
where are the younger hairs?
Finding other things to do I'd guess. The days of blind loyalty are over...you have to compete for those people and have something to offer. Doesn't matter if it's a workplace or a football arena.
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16 hours ago, iramurphy said:
Wanting better than 7-4/6-5 isn’t popular? Anyone who believes that isn’t paying attention. For those who aren’t going to contribute when we are not doing as well as we would like, that’s ok but then let the rest of us move on. I think assuming that because one doesn’t agree with how we get to the Championship level means they are happy with 7-4, 6-5,8-3, 9-2 is wrong. For those who see the answer as coaching changes, you may be right. Some of us look at where we are, the contracts, the resources, the facilities and think we dug such a big hole waiting to move up that it is taking more time than we like. As our resources slowly improve, and we coaching changes not on the horizon, then some have decided we have to continue to be patient. I expect us to be better next year and I think we have resources in place to be better. I may be overly optimistic but it beats complaining over and over again about things I can’t control. What I can do is go to games and send money. I can encourage kids in my community to take advantage of the tremendous academic and growth opportunities at UND. It isn’t that rare that an athlete chooses a school where his or her friends/relatives/former teammates go (especially boyfriend/girlfriend). Like I said I may be wrong and if so, I’m ok with that. If UND changes coaches or continues to support our staff I will support UND either way.
1 - When I think of our program...the first word I think of is "stagnant." Nothing changes...the band plays the same songs, the gray hairs sit in the same seats, the coaching philosophy hasn't changed (with the exception of Danny who provided some excitement for awhile), and (lately) our ability to show up in big games completely disappears. Now to be fair I look at NDSU/SDSU and see "stagnant" as well, but for very different reasons. Their fans take their success for granted. They stay home from playoff games because they assume they will win convincingly. It's been that way for 7-8 years now, and believe me when I say it KILLS ME TO SAY THAT! I'd LOVE to stay home from any game because I knew UND was going to win by 3+ scores...but their track record doesn't allow for that...even against low level D1 teams like say Drake. My wife didn't go to UND, and I told her about how wild the atmosphere was when I was in college and was excited to show her that again. It took five years of us going to games until we had an atmosphere like that again (2021 NDSU). How do we fix it? I honestly don't know...and that scares me...because maybe we can't. Like you said, we dug ourselves a hole with the D1 move. I'm guessing a lot of folks on here have long since digested their crow on that subject.
2 - Are we a bad program? Absolutely not. I'd say we are in the top 25% of FCS. But we lag a long way behind NDSU...and that gap isn't closing very fast (if at all). Is it fair to compare what we've done to NDSU (and to a lesser extent SDSU)? No...but that's the world we live in. UND is a great place. It served me very well. But if we are going to recruit the same kids, and use the same schemes, and coach the same way as we did last year...then why would I think we'll be better than this year? Lucky breaks?? That's not going to inspire me to open up my wallet any more than I currently am.
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13 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:Yeah, but not many midmajor programs roll with hockey as their core program. Maybe 5 to 10 programs across the nation, tops. And many do not even sponsor football. Bottom line, I think the hockey core program model is damaging for football and basketball and doesn’t have a good track record. Furthermore, UND isn’t bucking that trend.
And it certainly doesn't help the effort to buck that trend when you run your marketing and several other functions through a co-mingled arrangement with a non-profit that has a major vested interest in the continuation of hockey sucking up the vast majority of the available resources at UND.
Not a hockey hater by any means...but that arrangement hasn't been very good for the non-hockey sports imo...
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On 12/12/2022 at 1:52 PM, UND-FB-FAN said:
My “garbage” is often the painful truth, that no one wants to admit or fathom.
At the risk of getting myself flamed on here...I actually agree with you on a lot of aspects related to UND sports. One thing I've found this fall is wanting better for this program than 7-4/6-5 is not popular with a lot of people! The solution involves a lot of people and a lot of resources that starts at a level much higher than Bubba, and that's a vicious cycle. UND's results don't inspire people to go to games/commit $$/etc...and without those $$ it's hard to invest more into the program to give it what it needs to thrive. Meanwhile 7-4/6-5 isn't enough to make wholesale changes, especially when the current way of doing things is "cheap". So from a business perspective the ROI is "acceptable"...but to fans like you and I who see NDSU's success and say "Why can't we do that?"...well it's a hard pill to swallow...
If UND is going to catch up, it needs to catch lightning in a bottle and sustain some success at a level that's higher than they should currently be able to expect given their level of support. Is Bubba in year 9 going to find that? Doubtful...but if you make changes there's risk it could get much worse. Seems like we are too risk averse to do anything different...so until something changes, my expectation is 7-4/6-5 and a further stagnation within the program.
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50 minutes ago, NDSU grad said:
Totally agree, but it seems like NDSU and UND are good at finding those kids. Mauch and Haeg come to mind for NDSU. Both PWO’s from small schools, both probably in the NFL.
Those are the cherries on top that make a recruiting class special. NDSU has been absolutely ELITE at developing PWOs into pro-level talent. UND has had plenty that have done well in the program too. The problem I see with our recruiting is sometimes we are too reliant on diamonds in the rough. There are a lot of PWOs in the portal looking for drop down homes these days too. You need a mix of both studs and diamonds to excel at this level. NDSU has that market cornered...we need to catch up.
And yes that means I'm agreeing with UND-FB-Fan's assertion that we don't have enough "D1 bodies" on the roster. We need to get better at winning some battles and not relying solely on evaluation of under the radar kids. That's always going to be a big emphasis for us...and I like how we did in some of the higher profile battles we had last year, but progress needs to continue to be made in my opinion.
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5 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:
The only thing that he would be at fault for would be knocking boots with her.
Can you knock "boots" with her if you don't have all of a foot?? Or would "knocking a boot with her" be more grammatically appropriate???
Just kidding of course...
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I'd assume that Port wrote this article with pending FOIA requests to determine how much money has been paid to the Berry's for this trademark.
This will likely get worse before it gets better...Heads roll over this kind of crap a lot...
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8 minutes ago, Goose15 said:Don't completely disagree with RB next year, but do have confidence in Ziebarth from the small sample size we have seen. A transfer is still needed for some depth as well as hopefully a couple of RB's in this years recruiting class. For the high school guys would like to see a guy who is in an Isaiah Smith mold and another scat back like Mitchell and Skokna.
If we aren't going to give Ziebarth a chance to be the guy, then I expect to see his name in the portal. I get where Hoos came in and stole the job, but I've always been impressed when Ziebarth has gotten his shot. I hope to see him be RB1 next year, with a portal addition for depth and Smith/Wilson in 3rd down/scat back roles.
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31 minutes ago, MNHawk said:
Let’s set some expectations for next year so no one can say we are moving goalposts throughout 2023. What would Bubba have to do in 2023 in order for you to be happy to keep him for 2024?
Make the playoffs? Top 8 seed? Quarterfinal appearance?
I would need to see a quarterfinal appearance or a second round appearance+a win over NDSU in order to feel like we are moving the program forward and be happy keeping Bubba for 24.
I'll try to keep them realistic without sugar coating things...
Drake - Win by 40+ against a non-scholarship team
NAU - Win by 10+ at home against a lower-level Big Sky opponent not at altitude
Boise - Loss but competitive (similar to Nebraska but hopefully a bit closer)
SDSU - Loss in a tough game on the road, hopefully we can put the fear of god in them. I think we need to win 1 of SDSU/UNI/NDSU
WIU - Win by 20+ against a bad WIU team at home
NDSU - I don't expect a win here but I would argue we need it. Being objective I'm going to a say a loss but my heart hopes otherwise
UNI - Tough road game against a team that underperformed their talent level this year...must win on the schedule
ISU - See WIU
Murray State - Win by 10+ - see ISU and WIU but game is on the road
USD - Dakota Dome is our Kryptonite - this is a must win
ISU - Will hopefully have a ton to play for that weekend, game is in the Alerus so I feel good.
I see 4 losses minimum in that schedule thinking realistically based on what I've seen in Bubba's era at UND (Boise/SDSU/NDSU/one of UNI or USD). A good performance would have us 8-3 (beating both UNI and USD on the road). If we do that, I doubt we'll be seeded but we SHOULD get a home game and win one playoff game. If we go 7-4 it'll be very similar to this year (one of the last teams in or out of the field, no favors on a matchup).
Parts of this schedule are easier than last year (Murray not as good as ACU, NAU at home, swap out Youngstown and SIU for WIU and ISU-r), but parts are tougher (at UNI, at SDSU and especially at USD where we NEVER seem to play well). It's basically "wash rinse and repeat" in my book.
Should our expectations be better than that? Absolutely! The hard truth of the matter is that if 7-4/8-3 is the best we can do, we will get left in the XDSUs dust even more than we already are. I get that people like Bubba and that the players work hard, but this is D1...winning is important. 7-4 is the bare minimum in my book, and I'd certainly like to see us look competent accomplishing that. There are aspects of this program that are absolute head-scratchers to me...and that can't happen going forward if we want to compete at the level that I think we should be at.
My expectation for this program next year is 8-3, seeded or not we make the round of 16. Anything after that is gravy. I think it's realistic...but I'm not interested in another repeat of this year.
Also if we mail in a 4th quarter for a moral victory like we did against NDSU ever again I'm done with this program. That was ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE in my book!
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3 hours ago, wheelsup said:
The big sky conference rep was clearly the best prepared negotiator in the room.. Im guessing the MVFC rep spent all of his negotiating skills getting the Bison up to the 3rd seed in order to get NDSU and SDSU on opposite sides of the bracket. I would really like to hear how all of the conversations went..
For what it's worth I had my top 4 seeds as follows:
1 - Sac State
2 - SDSU
3 - Montana State
4 - NDSU (the highest seeded team with an FCS loss).
Only thing that changes from what the committee did here was uniform color in Frisco assuming the higher seeds win. If a conference is only supposed to get one rep on the committee, then said rep should advocate for what's best for the ENTIRE conference! In that case Larsen did his job by getting SDSU/NDSU on opposite sides of the bracket.
We are one of the last teams in. If the selection committee's work was done logically with consistent application of transparent procedures, then this is about the matchup I'd expect for a 7-4 team. So I'm not going to cry about where UND was placed...because if we'd have just played better against SIU then I think we'd be hosting a game this week instead of travelling (not seeded but not thrown to Weber). What I am going to complain about is the inconsistency in how procedure is applied...because it makes a mockery of the whole selection process. NDSU and SDSU fans may laugh at us complaining about this...but one day it could be their program in a similar spot.
That being said, as long as regionalization is a factor and the whole field isn't seeded 1-24...the potential for this will be in play.
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46 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:
We need an Atty to take this up to clean the system. Playoffs need to be on SOS, records. If your 10-0 win a conference and your SOS is 75. FU play someone tough.
You need to take everything subjective out of the system. So transparent you can vote by zoom for everyone to watch and know, well they didn't cheat.
WE (as in UND) certainly DO NOT need to get an attorney involved in anything regarding the NCAA for a long long loooooooongggg time!
I'd prefer to say the hell with regionalization and just seed the whole thing 1-24. But then again I also feel like too many teams make the playoffs. In a sport where guys lay their bodies on the line every week, I feel like every team picked should have a legit shot of winning the title. That would mean like 8-12 teams in the FCS playoffs. I know I'm in the minority on that opinion...but it is what it is.
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4 minutes ago, the green team said:
When non-conference scheduling in college football is scheduled 5-7 years out or more, how can anyone predict how to effectively schedule teams to aid your strength of schedule?
I was just going to say this exact same thing! Also we had two ranked wins that turned into unranked wins by year end. I get you need to play a great schedule, and I think just by being in the MVFC we can accomplish that, but schedule strength is awfully tough to figure out before the games are played.
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55 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
Because Charles E. Kupchella dared stand up to them once. Bureaucracies have long (and vindictive) memories.
This is the perfect stab.
Change your name or else.
You can't mandate that.
Yes we can, and if you don't, no home playoffs.
We'll change but begrudgingly.
Oh, by the way, the playoff criteria changed; no home playoffs for you.This right here!
Our chests puffed up when we sued an organization that we voluntarily belonged to...whether we were right or not, that kind of stuff tends to piss off the other party.
Seems to me like they're holding a grudge here, and the best part (for them), they've got us by the stones! Not like we can do anything about it...
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13 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:
Sam herder just said that he has heard from multiple people that UND put in a bigger bid than Weber.
If that's the case then, respectfully speaking...WTF?!?
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But is he wrong though???
I get beating the dead horse is annoying to some...but NAU at home is a game that good teams win handily. Will we do that? I hope so...but knowing this program's knack for close games against teams that maybe shouldn't be close I won't hold my breath...