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49 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:
Exactly. I know recruiting/rankings aren’t a perfect science but Hurlburt had offers from basically the entire Big 10. I think there’s probably some talent there and like you said he would have probably done just fine/great at Northern State too. Comparing apples to oranges.
Moni came in at Northern and averaged 14/5 as a Freshman...has never been anything but productive in Aberdeen and shoots 86% from the FT line and 35% from 3 as a 6'10" big man (up to 21/8 this past year). He should have been in the Summit to start with but was raw coming out of HS...he grew up quickly in Aberdeen though!
The Hurlburt twins couldn't get their high school team out of the Region 1 tournament and Joe couldn't find his way to the floor in two years in Boulder. Not saying he's a complete bust but there's a lot of unknown with him. And I'll be honest I'm not sure he'd have done as well as Moni at Northern...
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On 4/16/2024 at 10:37 AM, SIOUXFAN97 said:
northern state big man over the big bad uc buffs big man?
I said what I said...haha!
I've seen them both play...Moni > Hurlburt...and I'll stand by that.
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11 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
who would we rather have Moni or Hurlburt?
Moni by a country mile!!!
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1 minute ago, McBuckets said:
I think he is 100% worth an offer! Local kid with pretty high potential. Hasn’t proven himself at the college level at all yet and although he had a great individual HS career his teams did underperformed. So I understand the concern but I am sure there will be MANY teams reaching out to him and hopefully UND can get him on the roster.
Don't disagree...but from what I saw of him in high school he's far from a sure thing...even with two years playing in the Pac-12.
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I mean...Hurlburt is probably worth an offer...but I wouldn't stake my coaching career on him if it were me...but that's just my opinion!
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1 minute ago, Green Banner said:
They mentioned that the guys they layed off could possibly do freelance work for them still.
Yep...but they won't devote the same level of time/effort to the gig if it's just freelance...
Really unfortunate...I'm surprised Midco didn't find other areas to cut before talent and content...after all it's why I subscribe in the first place!
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Just now, ND1 said:
I like the fact that we are going after players like this, but the realty is in most cases its a long shot. Unless there are some local ties, a kid from the Texas area isn't coming to ND unless there are no other options and even then will be a tough sell. We need to stay focus on regional kids.
NIL could play a part in recruitment situations like this...
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25 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
I'd be shocked if Bell pans out at P5 program. One trick ponies are team killers.....then they eventually sit.
I mean...I wasn't going to say it out loud...but I fully agree...
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2 hours ago, UND92,96 said:
I have had the opportunity to watch Schiller play every game for the past few seasons, and I don't think there was ever a game where she wasn't clearly the best player on the floor, and that includes multiple games against Logan Nissley and LeeLee Bell. She's just relentless on both ends of the floor. I have followed ND girls basketball since the mid-1980's, and I haven't seen a better or more complete guard. Not even close.
I agree...the Bell comparison is interesting. If LeeLee played with the fire on both ends of the floor that Schiller brings...it probably wouldn't even be close. Bell has a higher ceiling...but Schiller gets more out of what she has. There are a lot of big schools betting on whether or not they can get Bell to play as hard without the ball in her hands as she does with it. We'll see if it works out for them...
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37 minutes ago, NewUndFan said:Didnt I say before that I think Sather is a nice guy and maybe even a players coach? That doesnt mean he is a good coach. Most homers on here look at everything with rose colored glasses.
Well...maybe I'm wrong on this, but in my opinion his 282-151 career record prior to his coming to Grand Forks gives me the inclination that the guy knows what he's doing. Lord knows I've had nightmares about the guy getting canned at UND and then going somewhere else and just sticking it to us regularly.
I did say earlier that his approach requires patience. You can see it in his prior stops that years 4-6 are where he gets it going. Many D1 programs aren't so patient...and I get that. Thing is...UND doesn't support basketball like it's a D1 program (a MAJOR mistake in my opinion). If you aren't going to give a coach everything he needs in this modern world to get it done...then you better give him some time to build a program the "old fashioned way." It'll be funny when Sather gets this program to the Dance either this year or next (assuming he keeps the core together) and then bolts at the first higher offer he gets. I can't say I'd blame him...this is not a Bubba situation, the program is trending in the right direction with a core of players that have an opportunity to make multiple trips to the Big Dance if they stay together.
And in regards to your frustration with "not running plays"...I've watched my nephew play a lot of high school basketball this year. Every night, his dad and grandpa yell from the stands about crashing the glass when a teammate drives, or helping on d when an opponent is driving. The poor kid has told his dad and grandpa multiple times this year that they are taught NOT TO DO THAT (ie don't leave a shooter or crowd the lane)...which is much different then how things used to be done. Point is...basketball is changing...it's evolving...and I'm willing to give the coach of the first place team in our conference the benefit of the doubt (although I wish we had another shooter or two in order to help spread out opposing defenses...but hopefully that comes!).
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33 minutes ago, NewUndFan said:I would say Sather's biggest recruitment was Eaglestaff and he got BJ and Eli here. The only reason Treyson came here is because of his uncle that played here. So No extensions for Sather. Most of our good fortune started with Treyson's commitment and it had nothing to do with Sather. Go back and look at the video when he committed.
What about the fact that Omot and Eaglestaff are still here?!? Maybe you're right (I doubt it) that Eaglestaff only committed to UND because of his legacy...but a coach he doesn't want to play for would have chased him out awfully quick. Recruiting isn't only about who you bring in each year...it's about who you KEEP here. That's where we are nowadays in the world of college basketball...
Since a 6 win season in 2021-22, we've improved to 13 wins, and now 17 and counting, with a core of the team being made up of sophomores and juniors (not sure what's left for COVID years). If you look at Sather's career trajectory this isn't unfamiliar territory for him. His approach seems to require patience...which I'll admit I wasn't sure we'd have being a D1 program. That said...he's won everywhere he's been...and the arc is looking good for the program. Hope we have a big finish to the season and are talking extensions at the end of the year (because we don't want to lose him).
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1 hour ago, FSSD said:
To be honest, I have no problem with UND's approach - student focused first:
1) Facilities
- Fritz (Indoor Practice Facility) - Open
- Memorial I (Coaches Offices, Other areas) - Open Fall 2024
- Fritz II (Locker rooms, new outdoor track and outdoor field turf) - Open Fall 2024
2) Cost of attendance, Alstom ($1 million annually) - (starting spring of 24).
3) Then coaching salaries
Next up coaching salaries. People need to remember SDSU and USD still have mortgages to pay for their facilities. If the North Dakota schools were able to use State Bonding for athletic facilities it would be helpful. So, you don't have an apples to apple comparison.
Ok...so now that we are supposedly the shining star of the MVFC in facilities and Alston awards...when do the increased expectations that come with those investments start to show up?!? Honest question...but we are slowly peeling away the excuses for why the program can't ascend to the next step. The defenders of the status quo will have fewer and fewer places to seek shelter...meanwhile NDSU and SDSU will be able to utilize their NIL collectives to plug holes in their lineups, retain players and attract portal entrants.
I've been to SDSU...I've been to both Montana's...I've been to Fargo...I'm not so sure I would put us at the top of the arms race. We will definitely have closed the gap however, which is good! But if anything that makes 7-5 next year and in the years to come even less impressive in my book...
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8 minutes ago, gfhockey said:
Tank?
That's my first thought...
One of my biggest frustrations with this defense has been trying to plug poor-fitting body types into it. If we are going to recruit 250-260 lb DEs and 275 lb DTs...we probably should be playing a 4-3 base. I know a lot of what we do is nickel now due to spread offenses and what not...but the 3-4 in my opinion is highly dependent on your 3 guys up front being able to eat blockers, command double teams and get penetration into the backfield. We've lacked that the last few years...and it really hurts us in my opinion...
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On 2/12/2024 at 2:21 PM, The Sicatoka said:
Finally something that sounds like a 3-4 nose.
Honestly he still needs to gain 20+ lbs unless he's strong as an ox...when was the last time we had a DT that commanded a double team every down???
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3 hours ago, homer said:
while we do need every down help at DE and LB, our biggest need is getting off the field on 3rd down……specifically 3rd and 7 or more Not going to fix everything all at one time but if the staff can find a way to get one or two guys here that can rush the passer consistently, and improve a little on the back end, the defensive numbers will look better
I agree though, I don’t know enough about this kid to know if he’s that guy
I agree...and I definitely think it's worth a flyer (especially if not a full ride). But I saw we had an offer out to a 265 lb. JUCO DE that has the body type I think we should be looking for in a DE. I'm just not sure this kid is twitchy enough to be an OLB at the FCS level. But he wrecked a whole lot of NSAA offensive linemen!
There are talent upgrade needs along our entire defense. I would like to see us address them more aggressively than we have...and typically that involves players from a higher level. Maybe we swing and miss...but I'm to the point where that would be preferred to going down with the bat on the shoulder...
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44 minutes ago, GoHawks said:
Yup. Most of his tape though has him at the DE/OLB spot so be interesting where they put him.
That's why my hopes are tempered here...he's a classic "tweener"...not big enough to play DE at the D1 level...not sure if he's quick enough to be an every-down MVFC OLB. If he was coming in as an 18 year old kid I'd be thrilled...but he's got one year. That's not a developmental signing...it's an impact signing. I really hope I'm wrong because by all accounts he's a great kid and a college grad...but we need help on D, and I'm not sure we're going to get much here.
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1 hour ago, Wilbur said:
The new kid from valley city is a pretty good all around athlete. Played goalie for Jamestown for a few years and I believe was all state for them ( @sioux rube may need to clarify for me).
VCSU male athlete of the year. Lets see how he makes the jump.
You are correct...he was a monster for VCSU and a great all-around athlete in high school.
Thing is...he's a 230-ish lb NAIA defensive end. Ben McNaboe was undersized, and Gerhardt is 15-20 lbs smaller. If he's going to play OLB that could be an option as a pass rusher but color me skeptical. The North Star Athletic Association to the MVFC is a massive jump. I hope he surprises but I'm not expecting much...
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53 minutes ago, nodak651 said:
Not necessarily the exact thing you're asking for, but UND could learn a thing or two from NDSU.. click around their teammakers and giving day web pages and then compare what they have to the champions club. I think UND could benefit in revamping however they do fundraising for athletics, and this is probably more on the Alumni Association than anything, but it seems like the Champions Club is kind of forgotten under the arm of the Alumni Association. Would UND benefit by the Champions Club becoming it's own entity? Because it seems to me that the champions club doesn't really do anything other than collect season ticket fees. For example, it doesn't appear that they publish an annual report anymore, which showed membership numbers, how much money was raised, scholarship costs, the different funding methods to pay for scholarships, etc. Not trying to throw anyone under the bus or anything... serious question. Self evaluation doesn't have to be a bad thing. Just seems like there are too many cooks in the kitchen with the Alumni Association, Champions Club, Athletic Department, and the REA for things to be run efficiently. Just an observation... not trying to throw anyone under the bus! I believe you were involved with things like the SS fundraising drives for FB... I bet you they could raise some money for a cool feature or two for the new FB facility if they asked, for example. I'm not in position to attend many games right now, so I'd much rather put money towards a specific thing than towards the general champions club fund - I'd give more if there were something tangible or more specific to fundraise for. I'm not an insider though and almost all of my money goes to daycare now, so what do I know, but there's got to be room for improvement.
https://www.ndsugivingday.com/giving-day/76023/leaderboards
https://gobison.com/sports/team-makers
https://undalumni.org/champions-club/index.html
SDSU has an impressive website as well
https://www.backthejacks.com/get-involved/index.html#ways-to-support
https://www.backthejacks.com/capital-projects/index.html
https://www.backthejacks.com/sports/football/index.htmlcc Brochure_16-17.pdf 2.85 MB · 1 download CC-Brochure_2021_WEB.pdf 4.51 MB · 2 downloads
You nailed it...NDSU Teammakers runs laps around the UND Champions Club...LAPS!!!
Alston awards are cool...but if you have a stud that's getting $25k+ offers in the portal...do we have any mechanism we can tap to keep him in Grand Forks? Currently we don't...NDSU and SDSU do. Need a new starting tackle? Sure we can peruse the portal...but we don't have much to offer other than opportunity (which isn't nothing)...but NDSU/SDSU can fire up the collective and buy what they need.
Is it greasy? Sure! Do I like it? Not particularly! But if we want to compete for relevancy in our back yard we need these things. At best we are late to the ballgame...at worse we'll stay behind...
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2 hours ago, UND08 said:
I'm sorry that your post is going to inspire my rant CM...but here it comes anyway...
Why does everyone think we have to be so dang "North Dakota Nice" on a stinking message board?!?! Of course this is where everyone comes to complain and vent...that's how every message board in the COUNTRY works!!! Fan is short for "fanatic" after all...and if recruits are turned off by a message board then they should just go to a school like Southern Utah or Idaho State where fan apathy is so strong that they don't have these kinds of sites...of course they won't get NIL or any kind of great support...because those "fanatics" are the types that write those checks...because they CARE!
Of course...if/when UND goes 4-8 next year, blows the whole thing up, and the rebuild fails...UND football might look awfully similar...
Most of us would just be happy to see a freaking VISION from the athletic dept. that shows WHAT the expectations are for the program, HOW we are going to meet said expectations...and then a follow through on holding people in leadership positions accountable if those expectations aren't met. Hell we are part of that as fans! If you need an extra million a year to compete in recruiting come up with a plan and pitch it to us! It's not unreasonable to expect greatness...hell its healthy! We get a taste of success...a lot of teams build on it. Some teams lose steam because those responsible for success move on to bigger pastures. Meanwhile the events of the last 3.5 months at UND are so stereotypically UND under Bubba that I'm not even surprised anymore. It's 2 steps forward 1 step back. Bubba's had 10 years at UND. That's an ETERNITY in his profession! If you're not going to take the program any further then we need to do something else...because when it goes stale it's not a pretty site. Meanwhile our athletic department let the two most talented coaches we have on staff walk for lateral jobs where they got paid more and have a better chance to succeed. Again...reeks of stale air in the program. Of course nobody is coming after our defensive coaches and offering them opportunities. Makes sense...we are a defensive minded football team after all...
And why should I feel bad for hurting a recruit or players' feelings?!? They're pseudo employees now after all. We give them a chance and they ball out...chances are they'll just hit the portal anyway to get that bag! This is now de facto professional sports.
So how dare you question my loyalty by saying that you pay your dues no matter what (and inferring that I don't)...my loyalty is the only reason I'm pissed off at the direction of the program! And ya know...more and more every passing day I'm questioning why I even bother...that's dangerous ground for an FCS football program trying to compete with the others on I-29...because I know I'm not the only one that feels that way...and their fan bases are much more dialed in. UND might be a top 20 ish team in the FCS...problem is they are consistently #4 on the list of those that actually matter in this area...out of 4! Tough draw no doubt...but life's not fair! Even when we house NDSU at home...this is what we follow it up with?!?! Gross...
I expect this program to be great. That's been the expectation for UND football for as long as I can remember. If we are content with 7-5 every year and a first round exit please just let me know and I'll find something else to do in the fall. Those of you who wear the "In Bubba we Trust" shirts walking around parking lots are getting to be more and more in the minority. If the portal bleeds us dry and we go 5-7 or 4-8 next fall, it's going to be ugly. Chaves and Bubba should get their walking papers together.
Hope everyone figures their crap out...but I'm not holding my breath...
One more thing I'll add...we as fans/supporters/boosters play a big part in this too! Show me the plan...show me what you need to execute it...and I better be willing to pony up to make sure it happens! If not...then my apathy is saying that I'm ok with the status quo...and I have no right to complain!
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6 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
I can confirm this is 100% not true.
Then they should leave too the way this whole "lame duck" coaching setup is going...
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15 hours ago, CMSioux said:Actually I feel everyone's pain, I'm just among those who understand that constant b#tching on a fan site accomplishes nothing and has been said before recruits, parents of recruits probably find this place. Not that it needs to be all sunshine and roses but there is little doubt this site often becomes a cesspool of negativity and has driven some away. I'm ready to move on from Bubba which means a couple of years of regrouping. Unlike some I have my season tickets and I pay my Champion's Club dues no matter what the situation.
I'm sorry that your post is going to inspire my rant CM...but here it comes anyway...
Why does everyone think we have to be so dang "North Dakota Nice" on a stinking message board?!?! Of course this is where everyone comes to complain and vent...that's how every message board in the COUNTRY works!!! Fan is short for "fanatic" after all...and if recruits are turned off by a message board then they should just go to a school like Southern Utah or Idaho State where fan apathy is so strong that they don't have these kinds of sites...of course they won't get NIL or any kind of great support...because those "fanatics" are the types that write those checks...because they CARE!
Of course...if/when UND goes 4-8 next year, blows the whole thing up, and the rebuild fails...UND football might look awfully similar...
Most of us would just be happy to see a freaking VISION from the athletic dept. that shows WHAT the expectations are for the program, HOW we are going to meet said expectations...and then a follow through on holding people in leadership positions accountable if those expectations aren't met. Hell we are part of that as fans! If you need an extra million a year to compete in recruiting come up with a plan and pitch it to us! It's not unreasonable to expect greatness...hell its healthy! We get a taste of success...a lot of teams build on it. Some teams lose steam because those responsible for success move on to bigger pastures. Meanwhile the events of the last 3.5 months at UND are so stereotypically UND under Bubba that I'm not even surprised anymore. It's 2 steps forward 1 step back. Bubba's had 10 years at UND. That's an ETERNITY in his profession! If you're not going to take the program any further then we need to do something else...because when it goes stale it's not a pretty sight. Meanwhile our athletic department let the two most talented coaches we have on staff walk for lateral jobs where they got paid more and have a better chance to succeed. Again...reeks of stale air in the program. Of course nobody is coming after our defensive coaches and offering them opportunities. Makes sense...we are a defensive minded football team after all...
And why should I feel bad for hurting a recruit or players' feelings?!? They're pseudo employees now after all. We give them a chance and they ball out...chances are they'll just hit the portal anyway to get that bag! This is now de facto professional sports.
So how dare you question my loyalty by saying that you pay your dues no matter what (and inferring that I don't)...my loyalty is the only reason I'm pissed off at the direction of the program! And ya know...more and more every passing day I'm questioning why I even bother...that's dangerous ground for an FCS football program trying to compete with the others on I-29...because I know I'm not the only one that feels that way...and their fan bases are much more dialed in. UND might be a top 20 ish team in the FCS...problem is they are consistently #4 on the list of those that actually matter in this area...out of 4! Tough draw no doubt...but life's not fair! Even when we house NDSU at home...this is what we follow it up with (while SDSU wins a title and NDSU makes a deep playoff run, hires a new staff, poaches our OC, starts a collective that keeps attractive transfer candidates at home)?!?! Gross...
I expect this program to be great. That's been the expectation for UND football for as long as I can remember. If we are content with 7-5 every year and a first round exit please just let me know and I'll find something else to do in the fall. Those of you who wear the "In Bubba we Trust" shirts walking around parking lots are getting to be more and more in the minority. If the portal bleeds us dry and we go 5-7 or 4-8 next fall, it's going to be ugly. Chaves and Bubba should get their walking papers together.
Hope everyone figures their crap out...but I'm not holding my breath...
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42 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:1. KEM is neither "baba yaga" nor running the department.
2. As Kelly Howe has pointed out, a lame duck coach (2024 and 2025 left on deal and likely no extension) does not scream 'stability'. A number of different people could make moves to resolve this but none have. Is it due to myopia (they don't see the lack of stability and issues it brings) or just stubborness.
If there is one thing I've learned in all of this...if you don't have the stones to extend a coach when they have two years or less left on their contract...then you better just buy them out and move on!
I'd have been ticked had we extended Bubba last fall...but now I'm arguably more pissed...and it's with Chaves not Bubba on this. I'd argue the only two coaches we had that anyone else wants are now gone (could argue RB coach also but from past experience we don't pay RB coaches squat so they likely will always come and go)...we'll likely see players on their side of the ball (our strength) hit the portal when it opens...and we'll likely limp to something like 4-8 with a house cleaning a year later. Saved $265k or so in buyout costs...but what's it cost the University to have 5-6k at football games when the team isn't successful? Also what's the lost momentum cost us in future years?
Maybe I'm overly pessimistic...but all the hits have come on the strong side of the ball for us. Defense is our liability and I haven't seen much to make me think we've addressed it.
Also...$71k max to be an FCS OL coach?!? I'll never blame a guy for moving on to make more in this day and age. This might not be a popular thing to say...but it's not hard for a college educated capable young person to make $71k in this day and age. And they'd have to put in a whole lot less hours than a college OL coach at the D1 level.
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14 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:
I highly doubt Luke would have even interviewed. Why take a lateral move when it's only a 1 year guarantee. Idaho is thought of in higher regard right now than UND, unfortunately. Now if Luke saw it as a move that could get him promoted to UND HC in short order, then maybe he would have considered it.
Should UND perform as many on here expect in 2024...I'd hope to see Luke's name in the mix for a job in Grand Forks come 2025...I'll let the readers decide what job that would be...
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Just now, wheelsup said:
Agree 100%.. I was excited about Jake.. I think if u put up the new guys resume against Jake’s and take out the GF background for Jake we would prob be more excited about the new guy!
I think the most baffling part about this is why NDSU wanted Jake.. I have a hard time believing they don’t have a lineup of people without the UND QB background. Seems like high risk.. low reward for NDSU.. and high risk high reward for Jake.
It goes to show how much coaches value relationships...Polacek and Landry worked together for one season...and it's why he was hired now!
Meanwhile NDSU has a former D2 OC of the year on staff as a RB coach...and their OL coach and QB coach both have several years of OC/Head Coaching experience...just a wildly different environment...
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If I'm contributing to the collective it's 100% my business as a "member"...if I'm going to be treated as the "customer" then I better get something for what I'm paying!
Hence why I will likely never contribute to a collective. Non-deductible "contributions" to a for-profit and I don't get to see that the money I am "donating" is actually going where I want it to...sorry that doesn't work for me.
I can't wait for the first case of cooked books/theft by a "collective" officer/CEO...I'm guessing there will be plenty!