Herd
-
Posts
955 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
1
Posts posted by Herd
-
-
I-AA is proper NCAA terminology. It may not be the most current and updated version, but it's proper terminology just the same. The NCAA came up with that title, not me. Why would anybody in their right mind find it to be so insulting is beyond me. I guess they have self-esteem issues and must try to pretend they're on the same level as Notre Dame and USC. I feel sorry for people who think that way.
I'm thinking that you should go back to the 1960's college terminology. That was once proper terminology also. But I guess you have adapted to the 1978 version. Good work man!
-
It isn't ignorant, it's what that division of football has been called for as long as I can remember. Yeah, yeah, they changed the name. I get that, but the new name is stupid and I like the old one better. I could give a rat's ass what you choose to refer to our hockey team as. Each to their own. I don't care what terminology you use, and you shouldn't care what terminology I use.
Hey as long as you refer to your hockey team with the same DI-AA label that you label your small school with, I'm good. If you want to be old school and small minded, its all good. It is not correct, but that's only a small detail.
And yes, refusing to use the proper ncaa terminology is ignorant. Please don't embarrass yourself on AGS.
-
Why the encumbering names?
Why not call them what they are: 85 or 63.
And everyone playing either 85 or 63 plays "13" (MBB) or "18" (hockey) or whatever.
There are no encumbering names, just DI, DII, DIII. Within DI there are two Sub-Divisions with 63/85 that are not part of the DI label, currently referred to as FCS/FBS, again not part of the DI label. Not too encumbering if you ask me. Acutally rather simple DI, DII, DIII. Thank you NCAA.
-
Which is exactly why I refer to them as Division I and I-AA.
Using the DI-AA terminology just shows your ignorance, but I will be glad to refer to your Hockey team as DI-AA if you insist.
-
I wouldn't. Division I football, as far as I'm concerned, is the Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, Big 12, Notre Dame, etc...
I would consider UND and NDSU to be playing I-AA football in 2012, and I say that with great pride.
The last time I checked, they don't set the NCAA classification after checking with your opinions on the issue. It is black and white as to what teams are in DI, DII, and DIII. You are simply wrong and misguided in your opinions. There are Junior colleges with 25,000 students and DI schools with 3,000. It doesn't matter what size you are, it is the championships that you are playing for. All DI team play for the same championship except for the football sub-divisions where there are two championships based on scholarship level. This is a simple fact not subject to misguided opinions.
-
So you would consider NDSU and UND (2012) to be playing Divsion 1 Football...?
The NCAA did nothing but change subdivision names and confuse a already simplified system....
And in Basketball....
Somebody better get a hold of Myles Brand and tell him we need to quit making those Mid-Majors Schools feel inferior and give them a new subdivison name...
or at lest get the National Press to stop...?
You will not hear the ncaa refer to the smaller conferences as mid-majors, that is a term popular with some, but especially the media looking for Cinderella. Most basketbll people agree that the mid-major term for college basketball or the mid-major term for zero scholly FCS football should be eliminated. It serves no purpose in today's college sports. There was a thread on AGS where most supported the elimination of these terms. They serve no purpose as there are no mid-major championships.
-
So you would consider NDSU and UND (2012) to be playing Divsion 1 Football...?
The NCAA did nothing but change subdivision names and confuse a already simplified system....
If you look at the Florida and Appilachian State trophies from last season, what do you think they would read? I will tell you . . .
App. St: NCAA Divison I Football Championship
Florida: BCS National Footabll Championship (this championship is not sponsored by the NCAA)
Of course NDSU and UND will be playing for the Division I football Championship, along with all schools that sponsor 63 scholarships!! The schools that sponsor 85 scholarships (FBS) will be playing for the BCS Championship. These are the 2 championship level that you can complete for in DI, based on the scholarship level that you compete in. (<=63, or >63)
-
That is my contention the NCAA is the one lying, or playing make believe that everyone can compete on the same level.
The last time I checked, every school has the right to play at any level they want to, from NAIA to DI. The NCAA does not force schools to be in DII or DI, the school chooses and applies for instatement. As far as the NCAA is concerned, NDSU or UND can do whatever they want. If our schools don't understand what being DI is all about, then they don't belong. No the ncaa isn't lying to anyone. Schools see greener pastures and a chance for glory, and make the choice on their own.
-
Lets be honest....
There are about 20 Schools that have a shot in Division 1 of wining a National Title in Football, Basketball (M orW), and you can even include those regional sports played on the National level like Hockey, Soccer, Lacrosse, Baseball, Softball, Swimming, Golf, Track ect...
You can label them all you want and call them what you will, so it makes you think you can compete, but the truth is the Bigger the institution is in enrollment, surrounding population, and their tradition the more money they raise, make, solicit ect....They will continue to Dominate.
In our great state of North Dakota we may slay a giant once in a great while, but we will never cature the castle for the big three sports.
This is what lowers the "Greatness" of our 7 Division 1 National Hockey Championships (regional sport)
The Division 1 National picture is getting more and more deluted as time goes on with everybody thinking they have a chance at finding the rainbow, especially in Basketball.....
The labels designate the championship that you are playing for, period, as they should. Two teams playing for the same championship should not be labeled differently, they should have every opportunity to complete on a level playing field scholarship and recruiting wise if they are playing for the same championship. I don't think anyone can argue with that.
If your school (generally speaking) isn't big enough or is afraind that they can't complete, that is an entirely different problem. Maybe those schools shouldn't have gone DI to start with if they are afraid to compete for the same title in the same pond as a larger school with more resources. But if you are competing for the same championship, you should be called the same thing and have the same scholarship opportunity. The ncaa has wisely corrected this by eliminating the DI-A,AA,AAA Divisions, replacing with DI and Sub-divisions for football. Did George Mason whine about not having the resources available to Florida. No, they competed their ass off and put their school on the map in a way that 10 DII championships would not have accomplished.
DI is DI. If a school wants to whine that only 20 schools have a chance to win the title, then they belong in DII. Bring on the competition. You can not afford to think small in DI.
-
The reconciliation of DI (eliminating the DI-A,AA labels) is a very positive thing, espcially for the schools that complete in the FCS sub-division. Why would you look at this any other way.
-
.
Yea, right ! Thats why they call them a Mid-Major.....
And Montana is playing for the NCAA Mid-major Championship, is that correct? Maybe you would like to explain the different championships in basketball that Montana and Ohio State play for so I can follow your logic.
-
For those of you in love with the DI-AA Label, please follow along:
Previously DI-A and DI-AA were both divisions (not sub-divisions) in DI, and the I-AA label was incorrectly placed all sports at schools that played I-AA football. For example, basketball, soccer, baseball, etc . . . were incorrectly labeled as DI-AA for schools such as Illinois State or Delaware that played DI-AA football. In reality there was no such thing as DI-AA for any sport other than football, in DI, but try explain that to a recruit (or a bunch of sioux fans for that matter). Therefore schools were labeled as DI-AA, instead of just football.
Therefore, two Sub-divisions of DI were created, FCS & FBS (not BCS), to designate football only in DI at the different scholarship levels. All DI sports are now to be referred to as DI with football having the FCS/FBS subdivision not attached to the DI label. This was done by the NCAA to reconcile the DI division and encourage equal footing for recruiting by all DI schools in all sports.
If you would like to continue to call it DI-AA, then feel free. I would however be obligated to refer to your entire school as DI-AA and your hockey program as DI-AA. I would be glad to do so if you would like. If you would like the DI-AA Sioux to play the DI-A gophers in hockey, then by all mean try to keep the DI-AA label alive.
While your ignorance and paranoya (clear from my reading) have led you to believe that some bison fan sold a bill of goods to the ncaa to eliminate DI-AA, that couldn't be further from the truth. When Montana plays for the same DI champoionship in basketball as Ohio State, they should not have to deal with an incorrect DI-AA label when recruiting. It is hard enough when you look at the Ohio State campus and resources without dealing with an incorrect label perception by recruits when you are indeed playing for the same championship.
Previously
DI-A
DI-AA (was supposed to be FB only, but labeled every sport)
DII
DIII
Now
DI Every sport including football is now referred to as DI, (FBS 85/FCS 0-63 are sub-divisions for football only)
DII
DIII
You can see that the DI-AA all sport label has been replaced correctly with DI. Note that it has not been replaced with DI FCS, just DI, with FCS being a sub-division not a division. Someday you will better understand and appreciate this subtle but correct move by the NCAA. For those of you that think the label will just change in a couple of years, no the DI label will not change. The sub-division labels could change if the FBS moves to a playoff, but the DI label will not change.
No, not I-AA, but FCS
in Football
Posted
I'm sure Dave was probably using the terminology last week, so ask him. I think it was college and university divisions however.