NanoBison
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I don't think you're going to be able to make a correlation like that. I certainly don't believe it helps academics. The only benefit I see from athletics, is more recognition for a school nationally, which in turn might add a small amount of value to a students diploma (in terms of recognition of coming from a specific school with a reputation). It may also booster support from community/fans/alumni/donors in terms of donations. Other than that, I don't see to much else.
Just my 2 cents.
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I totally agree. Showing that UND has been committed enough to win 7 DI titles over 5 different decades, averaging 11,000 fans, a money making program, having connections to UM and UW along with Mich/Mich St/BC/BU/Maine/etc, and having the Engelstad complex on campus is all going to make getting into the Mid-Con or Big Sky or any other conference that much more difficult. We should really consider dropping hockey to help us in our conference search.
Hey dummy, where did I say it would make it more difficult? I never said you should consider dropping Hockey. I said it wasn't going to help you. Also funny that you seem to think that having those connections will get you into either the BigSky or MidCon conferences... The only people who make the decisions of you getting in are the respective university presidents, and since NONE of them are employed at schools in the group listed above, that pretty much does nothing for you. I also didn't say the REA wasn't an assest. If you could turn it around to be used as a Basketball Arena, then you have something going for you (yes I realize it can already be used for it, no need to correct me).
Maybe next time, don't go overboard in your attempt to be a facetious smartass...
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The Forum keeps pushing the ethical limits with their handling of this story.
What in blazes are you talking about? Ethical Limits?
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You disappoint me, MplsBison. Thought you didn't participate in Bisonville's groupthought sessions. Just because NDSU has been rejected twice, doesn't mean anything. UND's DI move has been better strategically timed.
We've been rejected 3 times there star2city. Everytime the discussion came up, the indicating factor was "TRAVEL". But, being as UND is nowhere near NDSU in terms of geography that shouldn't make a difference, as you've indicated above. Right?
The west coast schools are not going to let any of the Dakota schools in. It's just too far to travel (in their opinions) and they don't need NDSU/SDSU/UND/USD when they already have Montana and Montana State to bring in the fans. Quit wasting your time on it.
(Strategically timed, uh huh. If by that you mean that it has finally been done to shutup the supporters harping down Kupchella's throat...then yes it's strategically time)
Finally, having Division I Hockey isn't going to help you at all in the search for a conference if the ones you're looking at include Mid-Con or BigSky.
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... The State Board and Governor look incompetnet and the President of our second largest institution of higher ed and 5th best institution of higher learning in the state looks dishonest and arrogant. It is too bad because he has done a lot of good for Fargo and that campus.
WTF are you talking about? 5th Best inst. of higher learning?
p.s. I could give a rats ass about what you guys think of Pres. Chapman. The man knows how to get it done. Especially when the SBoHE is ineffective to begin with.
(Here's your predicted response : your a blind follower Nano. Come up with some better smartass replies you guys are known for...)
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I personally don't believe that anything is going to come out of the October (or whenever) President meetings. The Big Sky has two excellent institutions and lots of crap that holds them back (Sac State, Portland State, etc...). Any school in our region whether it be NDSU/SDSU/UND/USD/or whatever will not get in unless the West Coast bias leaves the conference. They've stated OVER and OVER again that TRAVEL has always been the issue that "hurts the Dakota schools". They are also interested mostly in the fickle dream that if they add a subpar school next to a major metropolitan area that they are going to have an instant jump in interest towards the BSC. Didn't happen with Sac State and didn't happen with Portland or Washington.
I don't see NDSU or SDSU jumping ship (even though we aren't in yet, and that's still iffy) from the MidCon to goto the BigTease, unless we we're offered the chance to play alternating Home and Away games EVERY year with BOTH Montana schools. Remember though, everyone else in the conference already wants to play them and won't be willing to give up a game to any of us.
For those whom are truely lost and don't realize how much of a car salesman Fullerton really is, please spare yourself and wake up.
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Here's how I read that picture (from left to right) :
1.) Woooow
2.) Hooochie Moochie 
3.) Grrrrrr Mammacita 
4.) Woof 
Glad we have one down here in Fargo, even though, sometimes the waitresses are questionable...
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Yep, just keep it coming... free shots at Nano everyone... on the house...
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Good for you ...
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Not to say that this proposal would pass in the Minn. Legislature, but I would certainly hate to see what it would do to both our campuses ( NDSU and UND ) considering how large of a share of Minnesota students we seem to attract. I couldn't imagine what would happen if 35% of UND's and 40% of NDSU's student bodies just disappeared. The NDUS as a whole would not be in a very good situation. I hope it doesn't make it past the legislative floor. Nothing against Minnesota for trying to keep students in state, but I've heard many against the proposal.
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You're working at the NDSU Diary Research center on 19th?
That would certainly explain the smell...
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So let me get this straight. You hate NDSU, but you work there. Makes sense....
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OK, back to you, why don't you?
I don't know, I'm not the one who decides these things. If you want, I can ask.
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Exactly, why couldn't you? If NDSU wanted to provide both, why don't they?
I think it's because they don't want to. Those courses/programs are pretty specialized and I don't believe the number of students wanting them would support two programs in the entire state.
It sounds like there is enough of a need for two.
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Why do you assume that NDSU wants to provide those services? If they did, don't you think the NDSU President would already have raised a stink about it? Don't you think that perhaps both Universities recognize that the most qualified persons are providing the services? NDSU isn't providing those courses/programs in the 'daytime' why should they get money to provide it in the evenings/weekends?
Why couldn't we provide both? I would imagine if there was enough need, it wouldn't be a problem.
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Ok, let's just look at your post. Why do you object to UND having a 'permanent presence in Fargo otherwise'. Is NDSU offering the educators in the Fargo area the same courses/programs that UND is offering them in Fargo? What do you suggest those educators who need/want these courses/programs do? Commute? ND already has some ot the the lowest paid educators in the country, do you suggest they also be the least educated because you don't want UND offering them continued education that is NOT being offered by NDSU?
Why would anyone who wants an education protest any institution providing courses/programs in their community? If NDSU wants to offer courses/programs that are not available at UND in the GF area, NO ONE except someone without a concept of the importance and worth of education is going to protest!
How about giving the money to NDSU, which is already in Fargo, to provide those services? Why must the state spend money to setup a physical presence when they already have a University here that is more than capable of doing so. Give NDSU the money for the program, I'm sure we can provide it. We really don't need universities setting up other branches in cities where a current university already has a base of operations.
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I believe you have heard from Potts. He will not, nor can he, outline in detail what his issues are with one of his subordinates. It might violate the data privacy act and could place the state and the board in jeopardy for a legal recourse if Chapman so chooses. If he has a problem with an employee, the employee must give permission for that information to be made public.
No we haven't. Potts has not made one idication of what Chapman did to set him off. I would venture a guess it was the additional funding issue (NDSU get's more becuase we don't count the Extension Research Stations in the funding equity equations...). If it was such, there is nothing wrong in my opinion with Chapman going directly to the legislature for those funds, if Potts was indeed holding us back. That's why I want to hear the whole story. At this point we are all making claims.
If Chapman has a problem with his boss, there should be a process by which he can appeal to the board. That should be the entire board not just a select few. That is something the board should keep confident and I believe is one of the exceptions to the requirement for the open meeting law. They can go into closed session for that protion of the meeting. If Potts has a problem with Chapman he needs to deal with him with the authority he has. Unfortunately, if a board member or members undermines Potts' authority to control his subordinates, then it renders Potts powerless to bring his subordinates in line.
I can agree with this, except the last sentence. Potts still has the authority to do as we pleases in terms of managing the University presidents, with the approval of the board. If he is disastified, he can ask the board to remove that president. Unfortunately, he didn't do this, he issued an ultimatum, "either me or him", remember? Potts choose the wrong way to approach this, lacking civility, and now he's going to have to unfortunately deal with the consequences of those actions whatever they may be.
If I were the Governor, I would have a talk with John Q. Paulsen and let him know how unhappy I am at the embarrassment this issue is to me as Governor and to our state. I would give him a short period of time to make a public statement of support for Potts, make sure Chapman makes amends to Potts and then through the appropriate employee program ensure that Chapman has no resonable issues with Potts. If he doesn't, I would give him a couple of days to decide if he wishes to continue working for the state of N. Dak. and working for his boss. I would also determine whether or not Potts is part of the problem. I would want to get input from the other University presidents and if they feel Potts is doing a good job I would keep him. If they don't support him I would accept his offer to resign.
I would also let Mr. Paulsen know that if this ongoing fuss continues I would expect him to resign from the Board of Higher education and replace him with a more objective Board member. As Board Chair, he needs to set the tone and the example for the rest of the Board.
I totally disagree with that. Chancellor Potts could have taken a much more respectable and civil approach to this issue. You make it sound like John Q. Paulsen is meant to keep Chapman in check or else he's out to destroy the state, which is the complete opposite of what he's done. Chancellor Potts could have dealt with this behind closed doors, since as you said, it would fall outside of open-meeting law, with the privacy issue. Potts was the one who brought the bad publicity to the state of North Dakota, not Chapman or Paulsen. The board itself as a entity, is ineffective and has been for many years.
I noticed no support for my thought that when the two bigger school presidents act like professionals and remember they must act for what is in the best interests of the state of N. Dak. and not just "their" University. Both schools can still prosper. I mentioned the professionalism and relationship that Clifford and Loftsgard had. Both schools seemed to prosper under their leadership.
I don't remember hearing praises in terms of growth and success coming from the tenures of Clifford and Loftsgard, when measured up against the efforts and results of Chapman. What you are basically suggesting is that UND and NDSU can prosper if Potts, Chapman and Kupchella all work together. I remember your president making several comments (remember the "it absolutely pains me to think that NDSU is making any progress ahead of us..." type statements) about NDSU that obviously undermines Chapman. With the obvious underfunded system we have right now, you can expect the two largest universities to fight teeth and nail to get their share of the money, support to start new academic programs and research dollars
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MY credibility!!
Yes, your credibility.
Such as
There is nothing absurd in that previous statement.Why focus on the ASS portion of my post and not the portion dealing with the programs/courses offered by UND in Fargo and the persons in Fargo who want them. The absurdity of the quotes from you and fellow Bison is too apparent to dispute!
Becuase it was a blatantly childish and crude act to take a stab at me when my post was civil.
Don't group me into the same as those responses above. My responses were civil, those above are obviously jabs. -
How about we wait to hear directly from either Chapman's or Pott's mouths, not some second party sources, giving some validity to the claims and backing them up. Otherwise, we have no better than the situation a month ago when there was talk that the board was going to ask for Pott's removal only later to give him a vote of confidence.
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I'm going to wait on commenting until I hear a point-by-point listing of what Potts deems as issues so both parties can make valid arguements towards/against those claims. Right now we're sitting on "one of the Presidents snuffs his nose at me". The tax-payers of North Dakota have a right to know what's up. Where's the beef?
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If you are taking an on-line or correspondence course through UND many of those courses/programs require that exams be given by a proctor known to UND. Thus, given UND's existing offices to support UND's Medical School at the VA Hospital in north Fargo, that is where many folks are able to find a UND proctor for exams.
Believe it or not, the issue wasn't the courses or the office space as much as a sign that said, "UND Fargo."
Perhaps.
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MY comment in response to the quotes listed below is right on. If you don't want the classes that UND is offering in Fargo, don't ASSume that others don't want and actually need them. NDSU is not offering the same courses or programs. If you read my entire response instead of the last sentence, you would know there is no duplication of programs/classes being offered by UND in the Fargo area.... In my opinion, UND offering those classes in Fargo has NOTHING to do with the Potts/Chapman battle.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and to disagree with mine, but when you make childish attempts at a stab, like those highlighted above, you loose your credibility.
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Sorry forgot who I was talking to>>
So, which of the programs that are currently available from UND in Fargo (not online) are available at NDSU:
Graduate Courses Leading to Endorsement in Teaching English Languare Learners
Doctoral Degree in Educational Leadership
Master of education Degree in Special Education
Have you polled the educators in Fargo who are taking these courses and asked them if they want Kupchella to get the hell out of Fargo? Do any of you bison know if NDSU even wants to provide these classes to the Fargo educators who want and in many cases need them? Do any of you know that the persons taking these classes can only take them as offered because of their 'daytime' teaching jobs. I believe you are wrong to think that if NDSU offered evening/weekend classes that are not available at UND there would be an uproar.NDSU is NOT offering the courses so there is NO duplication of courses/programs. The fact that these classes are available in Fargo has NOTHING to do with this thread. I stand by my statement, 'Once again, SURPRISE, the mealy mouthed step sister to the south has managed to turn a thread that had nothing to do with UND or Kupchella into a hate fest for UND, et el.'
Don't like my posts, NanoBison, put me on ignore!
I never said I didn't like your posts. Your last one just didn't add anything to the discussion. Boy you guys are all icthy trigger fingers today, something bad happen in G.F. to put you all on the edge??? Jeesh ...
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Did you actually look at how those courses are delivered? Virtually all are online courses. Only two are IVN classes actually in Fargo. Are you proposing that the UND.edu extension be blocked from computers in the FM metro area too?
You don't need to jump to conclusions that are far fetched as that. I never said that. I said UND, besides its medical program with the Veterans Hospital, doesn't need a physical location in Fargo.
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SiouxMeNow, you should worry more about your logo than mine. I'm not the one whose logo is in question with the NCAA...
I'll continue using it since it displeases you sooooooo much.