[State Board]

We're going to see what Kelley is made of from a leadership perspective, because this thing has the potential to become divisive beyond belief, and I'm pretty concerned about it.

Potential?

To

BECOME

divisive?

Shawn-O, we're

way

past that point IMHO.

[Question for the "no moniker" folks]

Moreover, I would be surprised if the NC@@ wanted to make a big deal out of a new name/logo when they effectively achieved their desired result.

Without the legalese, I would submit that the people parsing that agreement to read into a some sort of a mandate for a new nickname are, well: reading too much into it.

That's all I'll say. I don't think you

HAVE

to have a new nickname.

[State Board]

yeah that is what people are wondering about why not have the meeting in Grand Forks, Bismarck or Fargo. Why did it have to be in town so far out of the way? Hum. This smells like Bull S#!T

Well, an 8-0 vote after 29 minutes of "discussion" sounds to me like the vote was pre-ordained, that there was a lot of "discussion" held outside of the meeting: which SHOULD be a violation of the law.

And you're right, dragging the tribal supporter to a distant location to

supposedly

hear what he was going to say (and then just ignoring him) was rude.

[State Board]

For it to be an 8-0 vote, there must have been a lot of discussion (cover) for the board members to vote to end the use of the Sioux name.

Does the state of North Dakota have a law calling for open meetings?

[State Board]

Listening to Grant Shaft on KNOX Radio.

His spin ...

October 1 deadline allows for:

- Spirit Lake actions

- Standing Rock referendum (hopefully on July 15 ballot)

- resolutions from tribal councils

- application to Summit League

As does a deadline of August 1: or October 1, 2010 for that matter. JMHO, but with three of the four Dakota schools the Summit needs you as much as you need them.

" ... have to bleed green across the board ... "

I just have to believe that his definition of "bleeding green" is very different from the definition of most alums.

He may live to learn that there's more than one thing that's called green; as in "long green".

Claims SBoHE dug deeper into this than most topics.

Now

that's

scary. Not surprising that a politician would say this, but scary nontheless.

Claims board has worked closely with UND, alumni, and REA to satisfy all partners.

Really?

Can you tell us who you talked to among the alumni "partners"?

Do you

REALLY

think the majority of alums were in favor of this? If so, I have to question your judgement even more than I do now.

[State Board]

it is better than Flickertails or Sundogs.

Yeah, but what

isn't

better than Flickertails or Sundogs?

[State Board]

If Standing Rock gets a referendum, it will pass.

I hope you're right. But can I ask this much: do you think that today's action makes such a referendum

more

or

less

likely?? I don't know, but I can't see what happened today as increasing the chances that a referendum is held. That's JMHO from a long way away.

The 30 year agreement is also key: otherwise the name would always be in peril.

I don't disagree that a

long-term

agreement is necessary, but just coming out with a pronouncement that "we need

thirty years

" isn't a wise way to handle negotiations IMHO. Isn't ten years enough?? Or even five?

You're starting from Ground Zero with this, and you're asking for a lifetime commitment by demanding 30 years. I just saw this and said "they can't be serious" and quickly changed my mind to say "they obviously have no interest in any sort of negotiation".

I don't know the answer to this, but I'll ask it anyway: is there a time limit on the use of Seminole? Chippewa? Ute??

I also agree that there's leadership at UND who would prefer to have the name go away. If the name stays, it will be only because of Sioux warriors like Eunice Davidson or Sam DuPris that came through when it counted.

I simply could not agree more.

People on the reservations are working hard to help with this issue; and IMHO this is a slap in their faces. It's so unfair on so many different levels. Haven't people on

BOTH

sides been saying for a long time that "we need to talk more; we have more in common than we have in opposition" about so many, many issues?? This wasn't good at all IMHO. Above and beyond the nickname, this wasn't good. Will this make it more likely that in the future, people from the reservation will work to get things accomplished in harmony with the city/state governments?? I don't think so.

[The Next Step]

So im just curious, if the natives get there way and decide to end the nickname, how much will this change UND alumni donating to all the Native programs and just donating in general?

I've heard from several big donors that they feel they could use their money in a much better way then support there old school with out there favorite nickname... Money talks folks.

It's JMHO, but I've always been a big believer in sayings like "you reap what you sow" and "you can only ask for as much as you give".

My own University refused to give my voice (and the voices of the overwhelming majority of others) any consideration when they decided to drop Chief Illiniwek. I don't feel they can ask me for consideration in return.

I've heard that somehow I'm "punishing" the current students for something they didn't have a hand in deciding. Sorry, but I'm no more punishing current students by donating somewhere else than I was punishing those other worthy causes before you decided to drop Chief. There's no end to worthy causes. Going out of your way to PO people isn't a way to engender sympathy.

[State Board]

The University Of North Dakota Fighting Darells....i will accept lifetime season tickets and free parking and concessions. In return for use of the name!

Hold out for all that

and

driving the Zamboni.

[The Next Step]

I would like to see one that can just tell the truth...

If you think honest politicans are rare in North Dakota, come walk a mile in my Illinois moccasins.

[State Board]

I think the Students and the Alumni need to weigh in on the issue before any name is accepted or acceptable.

Goon, let me ask this much: don't you think the students and alumni weighed in on whether or not they wanted to drop the nickname?

And yet the nickname was dropped anyway.

IMHO, I'd vote for no nickname; but in justice I shouldn't have a vote.

[State Board]

I'd vote to keep it SiouxSports.com, myself.

As would I.

But I'll say this much: young Mr. Dahl is more intelligent than I am. I'm sure he'll come up with something.

[The Next Step]

anyone with an shred of integrity would feel nothing but shame.

Diogenies (sp) was right.

Next time you find a politician with integrity, alert the board.

[State Board]

I asked Jim this same question a while back in the Administration section of the site, and he said that he would change the name to be something similar to the new nickname.

Interesting idea: but what if the decision is to go with no nickname?

[State Board]

I think the PC doorknobs will wait a little bit and then try to get the faculty or student senate to make a statement that sioux jerseys on campus are no different than a swatiska.

Get your personalized Jonathon Toews jerseys from his current team

NOW

!

Show your support for an alum in the NHL.

[The Next Step]

Cool, nothin' for the name maybe.

Just one more thought and then I'll go away for a while: a 30 year contract demand??? Before you had even

talked

with anyone from the tribes??

I'm sorry. If I was one of the people on that reservation who had gathered signatures on a petition and stuck my neck out to get a vote, I'd really feel betrayed right now.

[The Next Step]

Sounds like NC$$ used the Summit League to Bully UND into changing their name.

That's

the part I don't get. You had a few years to get the tribal approvals, you had started down that road: why now? Just for a league? IMHO, that's silly.

But, that's for your BOT to decide, and ultimately answer for.

edit: the headlines on google news say that your BOT was "listening to arguments" as of an hour ago, and voted 8-0 31 minutes ago. I guess those twenty-nine minutes convinced all of them. Certainly the "listening to the arguments" statement wasn't a sham, was it?

[The Next Step]

The Arena is going no where.

That's true. But if you relied on his family to support it, the BOT may be looking for a new source of dollars.

[The Next Step]

Grant Shaft, a board member who heads a fact-finding committee on the issue, recommended Aug. 1. He said the earlier the university applies to enter the Summit League athletic conference the better because the league has one more slot open and is looking at six other universities.

I agree with those who said you're selling your traditions very cheaply.

BTW, did he name the six schools?

[The Next Step]

The last article that I read basically state that the Summit was not looking at these schools.

The article yesterday didn't say that the league was looking at them, but they're the only two that they mention. IMHO, that implies that they're the competition for North Dakota.

[The Next Step]

Just heard on KFGO that the ND Board of Higher Education has voted today to DROP the Fighting Sioux nickname. More to come...

Before we go too far off the deep end....

The retirement takes effect

except in the event that stipulations in the original agreement with the NCAA to retain the nickname are met by both the Spirit Lake and Standing Rock Sioux tribes

to approve the nickname.

And it's as of October 1 of

this year

. Moves the NCAA deadline up. The BOT was unanimous.

I don't know why they didn't let the process play out to the NCAA limit. Why negotiate for that limit, and then ignore it?

http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/articles/...mp;section=News

edit: I didn't see anything about a length of contract, nor any tribal response. And to those who said the BOT was going as far away as possible to make an unpopular decision: I was wrong, you were right.

[The Next Step]

And for the people who keep arguing that "we better hurry up and beg to join the Summit, otherwise they may take Chicago State": here's some more information on the academics at that fine institution:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/c...0,2985029.story

I know the Douple apologists have told me that it's easy to research a Big Ten school, all you have to do is buy as US News & World Report guide and viola! All the info you would ever need to compare schools with as many as 40,000 students. For that group of people, here's some of the info that you would need a lot of hard work to gather, much less analyze and winnow thru:

(Chicago State) Faculty also are concerned about the trustees' decision to lower the

minimum ACT admissions requirement to 15

, from 18, as they fear that students with lower test scores will be less likely to succeed.

I'm sure some of you are thinking "hey, don't you need much more than a 15 on the ACT just to get an athletic scholarship?" Don't worry, Super-Commissioner Douple is on the job! He'll have an answer for that to protect the Summit presidents from thinking too much.

And....if you get a far shallower pond, its a lot easier to rise to the top, isn't it?

(Chicago State's new president) also wants to increase undergraduates in the Honors Program to 600, from about 50.

Again: be careful what you wish for. If your read this and still think Chicago State is a school you'd be proud to be associated with, then by all means jump at that Summit offer.

[The Next Step]

* There IS and always will be - from here on out. All it would take to BLOW UP any new "agreement" between UND and the tribes would be another stupid "Cowboy and Indian" party on campus and here we go again....it's time to CUT IT ALL LOOSE you guys...I'm sorry! I was always one of the most strident supporters of the name until I realized....there is NO WAY to win here and we do NEED to get our other programs into a DI conference ASAP! The Summit won't "wait" for us...and the Big Sky has shown no inclination to expand east.

All it will take is another cowboy and Indian party? There already was one such party: yet the tribal vote came in 2-1 for the nickname. (BTW, check out today's paper for a story about a frat in Alabama. Somehow, their conference affiliation was NOT mentioned at all in the story I read.

)

The votes can take place at any school in any location. Yet FSU isn't making plans to drop their nickname, nor is Utah or Central Michigan.

This isn't a game - unless ALL you care about is hockey. Maybe some of you do? But I'd say then you really don't care about the future of UND....

Sorry, but that's over the top. The "I love North Dakota more than you do" stuff is uncalled for.

[The Next Step]

Inevitable is the reason we let the process play out. Let the Standing Rock Tribe put pressure on the Tribal coucil to have their vote and go from there.

I agree here.

Personally, I think the three other Dakota schools should be pressuring their conference bretheren to admit North Dakota. It's such a no-brainer in terms of travel expenses for

everyone

that it's amazing that Douple is even thinking about Utah State, or (

) Chicago State.

[The Next Step]

From the article...

There are other Division I programs currently looking for conference affiliation, including

Chicago State

I would love, and let me repeat LOVE to hear the Douple apologists talk about the results of a site visit there.

http://forum.siouxsports.com/index.php?sho...177&st=1094

Talk about a crying need to protect a conference from a potential member...