MplsBison
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As I watched games yesterday, played by Spartans, and Dutchmen, and a team with a tribe's name on their shirt (Miami), I harkened back to this ....
The NCAA's original policy targeted "race, ethnicity, or national origin" based monikers. They're going after the Native American monikers first.
And they added words to the Settlement Agreement (same link as above) with UND about removing the "tribal approval" clause. That tells that they'll be coming for more later.
How much more? Well, read the original Aug 5, 2005, words ("race, ethnicity, national origin"). The rest of the schools out there should be taking note. I'm pretty sure the like-minded elitists at the NCAA would love it if we all were Harvard (a color, no mascot, a letter mark logo) or Stanford (a color, and a tree, a letter mark logo) or Syracuse (a color, a fruit mascot).
If feels like they're targeting UND. But we're the first big rock they have to crack to get to where they really want to be. And given that they make the rules ...
I'm probably biased, but I tend to think of liberal policy has being pragmatic rather than ideological.
Therefore, I think of the hostile and absuive policy being based in lawsuit mitigation. I don't foresee any Spartans or Dutchmen suing the NCAA over athletic team nicknames or mascots.
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That should take a bit of pressure off of Montana and/or Montana St. moving to FBS in the near term.
Idaho would be left on an island.........................
Interesting, thanks. Though I don't know if I trust CSinfo as a source - but at least his thoughts seem reasonable.
Also, I don't buy for a second that Boise and San Diego St are going to make good on their move to the Big East football conference. It's beyond brainless for them to move when they know full well that the Big East is going to lose its auto bid to the big time bowls. They need to stay in the MWC and fight the good fight for access to better bowls in that conference.
Maybe SD St still goes to the Big West to save money on non-football travel costs. MWC shouldn't have a problem with that, with Hawaii already doing the Big West thing.
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The Summit is losing their marquee member in Oral Roberts. Shortly thereafter, they could potentially lose their marquee-member-by-default in Oakland. This is great news, I hope it happens.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not giddy about this scenario because I wish any ill-will toward NDSU. I do however wish for the maximum amount of ill-will professionally for Tom Douple.
So if Douple gets fired, you're ok with the Summit doing well?
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The Summitt should/would/could call on St Cloud St, Morningside, Augustana, or UM-D? Someone call up Roger Thomas and get the old NCC back!!!!
Omaha dropped football to join the Summit and promote DI hockey and bball, so I don't see why schools like St Cloud, Mankato and Duluth couldn't do something similar. All have decent sized markets, especially Duluth and St Cloud. Although I seem to recall recently that St Cloud defeated a proposal to drop football.
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The only thing we can do is be ready for what is best for US when the time comes. I think SiouxFan is right in that 10 years time FCS football may be an equivilant to what DII football is now. I just get the feeling that FCS is not the final solution. Any thoughts?
I think it would be interesting data to see how many schools in DII and FCS actually bring in more revenue than the cost of the scholarships given to players on the team. My intuition is that the percentage of FCS teams that bring in more revenue than it costs them in scholarships is no higher than DII.
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If Oakland, Youngstown, IUPUI and Oral Roberts all left their leagues even diehard Bison fans would be yearning for the Big Sky.
Oral Roberts and Sourthern Utah are leaving the Summit for Southland and Big Sky, respectively. Those are finished deals.
If Butler leaves the Horizon for the A10, you could see any of Oakland, IUPUI and IPFW leave the Summit for the Horizon. Not sure if it would be one, two or all of those schools.
The rest of the Summit consists of Western Illinois and five schools in the interstate 29 corridor from Kansas City to Fargo. Getting a partner for Western Illinois would be a good step to take, regardless. I would love to try plucking Eastern Illinois from the OVC, but that would only be possibly if they could play football in the MVFC.
Have not heard anything about Youngstown leaving the Horizon or MVFC, but neither move would pose much concern for NDSU and might actually open the MVFC door for a potential new Summit member that plays football.
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How can anybody be so obsessed with something that has no bearing on them?
I really don't give a !@$! what NDSU wants to call themselves, what conference they want to play in, what sports they want to spend their money on, or anything else they do...it's their deal, why does he give a !@$! about every little thing that UND does to the point of getting in trouble with the law over it?
Nuckin Futs.
The guy was straight up outed. Embarrassing report of his arrest that included his legal name, address, cell phone number were all made public info from the "wraith" email he sent to Al Carlson.
Didn't even slow him down. Not one iota of shame. He continues to spray his diarrhea all over the internet via cell phone.
If there was one person that I could ban from being associated with NDSU, he would be it. It's only going to be a matter of time before he gets the university in trouble somehow via his stalking of recruits.
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If Al wants to changed the law over who has control over governing the State Board of Higher Education, why doesn't he just come out and say it instead of dragging the UND Fighting Sioux nickname into the debate?
He can't get it done without expoiting an emotionally charged issue.
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Problems can happen with any form of governance. I like the current structure because it insulates higher education a little bit from regular politics. Giving either the governor or the legislature more active input into higher education would be a mistake. And a problem with electing either the head of higher education or even the board could be getting political hacks in those positions that just want to get elected rather than getting people involved that have an interest in improving education. That being said, they could do a better job getting qualified people in place on the current board than they do at times.
The proposal wouldn't have any legs without the nickname issue. It has worked pretty well for more than 70 years. There is a group of very conservative people that think higher education spends way too much money and they think the current system gives the board too much control. They would still try to propose a change, but most people wouldn't be listening without the nickname issue. As I said before, mistakes can happen with any structure. Having a different structure may not have prevented the NDSU President's house issue or the Dickinson State diploma mill issue, or maybe something else would have happened instead.
Yep. I think you're absolutely correct in basically all counts.
There are a group of people that view the state higher education system as just another thing that the government spends money on - and they hate it. They want to limit that money.
I do believe Carlson is "one of them" and they've concocted the whole thing as a ploy to kill the current system and replace it with something that will make it easier to limit money spent on higher education in the state, across the board.
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If you pretend that the nickname had been settled years ago and that Al Carlson was retired years ago...
does this proposal still make sense? Honest question, I don't really know.
I guess what I'm asking: is the SBoHE a bad set-up to control higher education in ND? Try to answer without any emotion tied to the nickname.
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This is big news if true (BE sucks and doesn't deserve an auto bid). Where did you hear about this???
Well firstly, it is just talk. Like everything, nothing official until the actual announcement is made.
But most recently, this: http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x1544617177/Chuck-Landon-Conference-shuffling-isnt-over-quite-yet
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I hadn't heard about Boise and San Diego potentially staying put. Not sure why Boise would give up AQ status, unless they are concerned about housing their olympic sports in the event that the WAC folds.
AQ status is dead. BCS conferences want to kill it to prevent all these "radical" conference realignments, ie, they want to prevent Big East from adding San Diego and Boise just for the sake of preserving the AQ.
The conference champion of the Big East football conference is no longer going to have an automatic slot in the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar or Orange bowl anymore. Those bowls will go back to how it was before the Bowl Alliance and will probably contract with the big conferences to fill their slots for New Year's day games.
And those bowls are just fine with that. They won't have to potentially give slots away to Big East teams or non-AQ teams that don't sell tickets to the bowls, don't travel well and don't draw large TV numbers.
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I absolutely agree with you, they don't. However, they may not have a choice once the C-USA/ MWC Alliance poaches Utah St. and SJSU from the WAC. I believe that the Alliance is looking to add schools with viable media markets and if that's the case LA Tech will get passed over.
I could see Utah St as an attempt to reclaim some attention from SLC, but with Boise and San Diego potentially staying in the MWC - does not seem like SJ would be welcomed by Fresno and San Diego.
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You could be correct, but I don't think LA Tech wants anything to do with Monroe, Lafayette and the Sun Belt.
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Seems like WAC should merge with Sun Belt, like the MWC and CUSA have merged.
Potential conference:
Boise St (WAC non-fball) - Idaho (WAC fball)
Seattle (WAC non-fball) - San Jose St (WAC fball)
Denver (WAC non-fball) - New Mexico St (WAC fball)
Utah St (WAC fball)
Texas San Antonio (WAC fball) - Texas St (WAC fball)
Texas Arlington (WAC non-ball) - North Texas (SB fball)
Louisiana Tech (WAC fball)
Louisiana Monroe (SB fball) - Louisiana Laf (SB fball)
UALR (SB non-fball) - Ark St (SB fball)
Mid Tenn (SB fball) - W Kentucky (SB fball)
South Alabama (SB fball) - Troy (SB fball)
Fla Intl (SB fball) - Fla Atl (SB fball)
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So there is going to be a vote in June asking people of ND if UND should be the Fighting Sioux (undoes the repeal of the law?) and then another vote in _____ asking people of ND if there should be a constitutional amendment requiring UND to be the Fighting Sioux?
And these two votes are the results of two petitions that collected enough signatures?
Now the state AG asked the state supreme court to rule the law that was repealed in November to be unconstitutional, which is the result of a lawsuit filed by the SBoHE? And just now Carlson's comittee has hired it's own lawyer.
Is there somewhere that a lay person can go to just read a straight facts timeline of this issue from the time that the law was enacted to now?
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Maybe the rest of the group can reign him in.
I'd be careful, remember lakesbison sent him an email from a fake account saying "you'll feel the wraith" and ol' Al sic'ed the ND state police on him.
Granted, he sent the email right after Giffords was gunned down...that probably had something to do with it.
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Have to agree Rachel Blount summed up the issue pretty well. The NCAA has shown it's not about to be moved. It's got the muscle and it knows it. I hate to see one of the best nicknames in the world go. However, sadly enough, the issue has the potential to severely damage our institution, academically as well as athletically. The wrangling has gone on long enough. It doesn't make sense to try to make it as a D-1 independent. The option of going NAIA is simply not an option. This is one that Goliath is going to win. I simply don't see a shepherd boy over the horizon on this one. Sorry.
The lawsuit is the only hope. NCAA won't care if it's in the ND constituion.
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If it makes to a statewide vote and they vote that UND should be the Fighting Sioux -- then what happens?
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Good to see the Ralph has hired Icon for a "Long Range Capital Improvement Plan"
http://www.iconarchi...engelestad.html
Man every time I see this it pisses me off that UND, a team not even eligible for the playoffs until 2012, is going to have better practice facilities than NDSU in the primary, flagship sport at NDSU.
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I was listening to a guest on a radio station on the way home today and she was talking about the Department of Education implementing Title IX for academics. She said that the DOE official says that the mechanism is already in place and they intend to implement it.
The "problem" is that there are more male than female in the sciences and they want to "even" it out.
Has anyone else heard about this?
I just deleted out my political thoughts on the general direction of this country, as SiouxSports.com is a non-political forum.
Hadn't heard this.
No doubt title IX created more opportunities for females to participate in intercolligiate athletics than there would have been without the legislation.
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Lets face it, If you live out of the "region" you will have to watch UND hockey home games on the web that are not on CBS Sports. UND can not broadcast games nationally not on CBS.
The "wait and see" will be about webcasts.
But can we really blame the UND administration? Did they simply get outvoted?
Could UND put their own channel on DirecTV or Dish Network and show hockey games on that (if not on CBS)?
Does anyone know the cost of having the UND channel on dish distribution?
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Anyone know how much it costs to have the UND channel offered on whatever the Grand Forks cable network is (MidCon?) vs. the cost of having it on DirecTV?
Can it be that expensive?? BYU has their network on satellite.
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Navy joining Big East for football only in 2015: http://www.washingto...ciNQ_story.html
With BE losing Syracuse, Pitt and West Virginia and not adding TCU, they're down to UConn, Louisville, Cincy, South Florida and Rutgers as football members. In 2013 they'll add Central Florida, Southern Methodist and Houston to get back to 8 full members that play football in the Big East and 8 full members that don't (or don't have football). Also in 2013 they'll add Boise St and San Diego St as football only members, which will give them 10.
So is Air Force still in the MWC for the long haul? Or perhaps will Army join Navy as a football only member of the Big East? Army joining makes more sense to me of those two possibilities given they're actually in the east and adding teams across country just for the BCS autobid is about to become moot.
I would also send Boise and San Diego back to the MWC, once it becomes official that BCS autobids are dead. Big East champion is never going to the Orange, Sugar or Fiesta bowl again!
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It makes sense to me as a practical measure for avoiding lawsuits from Native Nations. If a school on the list was able to ensure that the NCAA wasn't going to be sued, they got taken off the list.
The great irony here is that the NCAA is being sued by a Sioux Nation to keep the nickname! Darned if they did and darned if they didn't.