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2 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
Today just isn't your day.
It's never my day
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20 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
Your speculation is based around the idea that IF Burgum had not allowed evictions and IF Trump had done a better job in February, very little of this would be happening and the officer would be alive. Correct?
My SPECULATION is if the USA had a collective, actionable, serious, and earlier response to COVID, the USA would be in a leagues better spot economically and health wise. It doesn't matter who the president is, earlier, unified, and defined action by both democrats and republicans would have resulted in a better situation all around. Surely you can agree to this?
Speculation relating specifically to the young man who died (THE PD OFFICER): Sure, if ND implemented a ban on evictions like a dozen other states have, the officer absolutely would not have died this week. If ND didn't shut down in the first place, the officer also may not have died. You can't put blame on any party for this, if you desperately want to put fictitious blame on someone, Burgum could have also saved his life by doing absolutely nothing and not enforcing a statewide lockdown. Or perhaps the eviction would have happened sooner and his life would have ended months sooner to that scumbag cop killer. That's why this it is called SPECULATION
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1 hour ago, UND1983 said:
Read what you wrote. You connected the dots for us.
I commented on a post about speculation directly with additional speculation, that's your context clue. My bad if you don't understand what speculation means
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4 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
So it was Burgum's and Trump's fault the officer died?
It is absolutely not their fault that he died. He died because some low-life decided to shoot him. He didn't die because of a stupid virus lockdown. Stop reaching so far and look at the context.
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1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
u are off the deep end. get some help..go outside without a mask and sit in the sun.
Please tell me how I am off the deep end
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19 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
At least this part is right.
I'm just saying it is hypocritical for people to simultaneously claim majority of the unemployed are useless, that they are just leeches of a fruitful bad socialist system, and they need to find a job. Yet also pull the whole "the poor, poor, unemployed! they have no support system! they want to work, they are desperate to work, see this is what happens when they don't work!" card.
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Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:
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what i'm getting at is that if people don't go back to work and make money you will see "small" crimes and big crimes explode not because "we didn't take the virus seriously" but bc for some reason these governors won't open their states until they are totally bankrupt and then ask the other states that are open to pay for their bad judgements.
so the guy that shot thru a door at cops and whoever else was in the hallway was a calm, level-headed, nice young man?
Sure that was your point. Just as mine was if we took action earlier and worked together against the coronavirus, we would not have been shut down as long, and would not have had such a drastic health and economic impact. Besides, isn't the message right now that we hate that the unemployed are making ridiculous money and have no desire to go back to work? Or is the message that the government isn't providing anything to them and they are desperate to get back to work? I'm confused, because both have been used but each message contradicts one another.
Also I updated my post to be more clear since you have difficulty with context clues. I'm not defending/honoring a cop killer.
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4 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
let's take these two major happenings in the last couple of days in GF and Minny...is there a chance that both incidences might never have happened if people would've been able to go back to work weeks ago when the "curve" was flattened? seems like the GF shooter was behind on rent (maybe from lack of work) and george floyd forged a check maybe because he hadn't worked in weeks? just specualtion of course but you never know
2 hours ago, 802Sioux said:I don't know....the guy who murdered him by kneeling on his throat for an extended period wasn't out of work. I'm pretty comfortable putting all the blame on that POS and his unmasked, working compatriots. Although they are unemployed now. But are they unemployed from the quarantine or with the quarantine. It's so hard to know how they count those stats.
Grand Forks I can't speak too.
A forged check is not a death sentence. Hundreds of millions of checks are forged every year in the USA. As mentioned, George Floyd died because a man pinned his neck to the pavement, resulting directly in his death by positional asphyxiation. He didn't die because of the circumstances surrounding a virus, he died from incredibly poor actions taken by four police officers.
The GF POLICE OFFICER who died was a friend of a friend and we met on many occasions. He was a calm, level-headed, nice young man. Which I suppose is why THE GF POLICE DEPARTMENT send him in for a sad event like an eviction. You can speculate all you want, but the same idea holds true if we were to have taken the virus seriously from the start. If ND had the same eviction suspension policy as MN, there would have been no eviction served this week, and this incident would not have happened. If the USA had implemented prevention measures earlier and the message not be so politicized, the health impact would have been exponentially lower, the economy would have opened up months sooner, and this might not have happened.
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54 minutes ago, George M. Bluth said:
What are the “Befores” before? All the information they have gathered since?? This is NEW. They are learning more and more everyday. I think they deserve a break for not being 100% correct immediately but erring on the side of caution.
Early on, people were panic buying masks and screwing up the PPE supply needed by medical facilities. A message needed to be spread to the masses to ensure that there would be enough masks upfront to ensure medical professionals would have adequate supply. This message was taken of context to mean all masks are absolutely useless.
The CDC has also been oddly quiet during this pandemic compared to prior pandemics. It is no new fact that a virus spreads faster through the air than through touching surfaces. The CDC explicitly stated their assumptions of this for COVID on their website in March and April. They knew of how long the virus sticks to a surface first, they now have better proof of the odds of transmission and infection from such surfaces. Some outlets paint reporting new information somehow as a misinformation campaign by the CDC.
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There is a difference between a Covid Expert, Medical Professional, and Infectious Disease Expert. Covid has not been around long enough for anyone to be deemed an expert.
Medical professionals who have studied infectious diseases for their entire life will have more expertise and make better assumptions on a novel virus that than the average citizen. I would trust a medical professional with minimal infectious disease experience to give their best shot treating me for a new virus. I would not trust the advice from an average citizen with no medical experience on treatment for a new virus.
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44 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:
Let us not forget that the American revolution was fought over taxes...yes it simplifies it, but taxes were a central player. We will be facing staggering taxes coming out of this...with fewer people paying taxes...35 million unemployed...
im sure the thought of bailing out the state economies of NY and CA and IL via federal tax dollars is really appealing to the red state residents.
just remember how jacked up CA is....in San Francisco, poverty level is $117k/year...
At least NY, CA, and Illinois are all states which contribute more to the federal balance sheet than they take out in a given year. Unless I am interpreting this wrong, please let me know if I am. Page 21 appendix A is where every states expenditures and balances are summarized. As of 2018 cause it is the most recent compiled data I could find.
https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/budget/2020/federal-budget-fiscal-year-2018.pdf
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Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:
lot of words for ....not answering the question.
I have already answered my thoughts on lock-downs and opening up several times, people ignore it cause it's just not controversial.
Once it was clear that local hospital systems were not going to fail, localities should have transitioned to opening up.
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17 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
garcetti anyone.....you can run on wet sand in la but not on dry sand...la should be open tonight? but nope...two more months
Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:the past is the past....why isn't LA open right now...at 1pm central time...answer the question...
Federal supersedes state, which supersedes local government. Local policy does not guide federal policy. Failure at the federal level trickles down to the local levels. Failure at the local level rarely trickles up to the federal level. For pandemics and natural disasters however, the precedent is that states governors have authority over their individual state, with guidance and support from the federal government.
Mind you, I am not advocating either way for shut-downs or opening up, I am indifferent at this point. LA isn't open because just like the guidelines for shutting down the guidelines for opening up are not clear. The health and economic impact of opening up LA is still very much unclear. Does the government have great confidence in the transmission and mortality rates enough to make such a decision that has proven impossible to slow down once it takes hold? Is the economic impact risk of them becoming the next NYC outweighing the definitive economic impact of a longer lock down? The government has the resources to gauge the likely hood and answer that, not me.
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1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said:
I agree. People blaming trump for the early response or Governor Cuomo for the early response are just using hindsight and wanting to point blame for political reasons
I am not blaming any of them, but I will direct blame towards government if people try to act like media and scientists are the ones in charge of this country. Political affiliations aside, there will be people going down on the wrong side of history for their action/inaction and the wrong messages/policy they spread.
Compared to what America has been through, I think we can all agree that a multi-billion dollar mobilization and prevention effort as an early response would have lead to a drastically lower widespread impact on America (both economically and health wise). This in combination with a plan in place with guidelines on what constitutes as necessary for such an effort for each locality so places that do not need to shut down don't unless necessary. (This is a complex measure to predict, but we will have a baseline pandemic to go off of in the future at least).
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27 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:
I’m terrified of the economic devastation now much more than the disease. How will this ever be paid for...there will be copious amounts of personal debt written off, taxes will have to go up to fund the government spending, many low income workers will now be jobless for years, many people will lose their homes (owned and rented). I fear that socialism will fully take hold now and the independent, self-reliant nature that created America will vanish beneath a title wave of need. This lockdown will be remembered as the tipping point that crippled American exceptionalism...welcome to the global society of mediocrity.
USA is currently pulling away slowly from China and moving to India for our cheap labor force. A lot of opportunities there I think, like one of the mods said, deny payment to china of our bonds once we no longer need to rely on them. Economic devastation will be paid for the same as how the economic devastation of war is paid for. Likely by tax reform.
I do not think this will be a foothold for socialism. Big businesses will weather the storm, take on record low debt and sell their high interest debt to the government/rid themselves of junk bonds. Small businesses that were on the verge of failure and can't take on extra loans will be bought out by these big businesses. Moving closer to monopolies, but it represents opportunity for them to have explosive growth and creation of many more jobs once this is over.
I hope this does highlight the deficiencies in our government with regards to preparation and planning. I hope it also highlights how fragile america's bottom line is with the plethora of low income american people.
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3 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:
I don’t get how people are quick to blame the policy makers when the information they’re using is admittedly incomplete and sometimes completely in accurate
The best information available at the time can be incomplete and completely inaccurate. But it is still the best information they have to go off of at the time. They need something to base decisions off of. Also the government has a wide threshold for acceptance of error which doesn't help. The point is you cannot blame the scientists or the policy makers unless they acted unfaithfully without due diligence. Which is quite tough to prove.
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2 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
You dont feel they are making these decisions partly based on pressure from their constituents, who are gobbling up fear porn from the media?
I believe that the media does not influence actual policy and real change. The 2016 election with the loud minority should have overwhelmingly made that clear. You should know by now not to listen to the loud minority.
I believe that politicians and governors are making decisions based on the best information they have available to them at the time. The "best information" of two months ago is no longer the best information of today. Just as what the media reports on is not the best information, just as constituents do not have the best information. I'd like to assume governors are being continually fed the best information possible, allowing them to change their minds and make better decisions.
If you want to say they are implementing policy with their constituents in mind, you absolutely need to understand that the older generations are their largest voting base. The older generations are at the highest risk. The congressmen and governors themselves are also fairly old on average. So to me it makes sense that most governors lean towards protecting themselves and their largest voting base by shutting down.
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1 minute ago, UND1983 said:
Because we made policy and destroyed people's lives temporarily based on their "findings". Their findings are constantly changing and they are not held accountable accountable for anything they have found that didn't turn out to mean anything, but was used as a reason to take an action.
If we hadn't done anything drastic then whatever, another piece of the puzzle. But their "findings", however political they may be, have created fear porn for everyone, which led to a sheep mentality where if one group shuts down now we have to because we might look bad.
The word LIABILITY comes to mind lately.
6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:It has nothing to do with that and you know it. It has to do with us, as a country, then reacting to their ever changing "findings" by burning it down to a low we haven't seen in 75+ years. The real ramifications of our overreaction won't be seen for a few years.
Media is creating the divide and blurring the facts. They created the mindset that this is both doomsday and a hoax. They need to make money and have nothing else to report on just as some of the public has nothing else to do besides blindly consume what the media says. If you don't like it, stop blindly consuming the media. Most people are in the middle and can agree on one thing: this sucks.
As you said, this will temporarily set people back, the only thing permanent are hose who are dead. Humans are resilient, they will adapt to change, they will find another job if they have to, they will survive. Those who are dead will stay dead.
Liability is 100% on politicians, governors, and the federal government for the policies they implement. They make decisions based on the best known available data at the time. They have tens of billions of dollars in resources afforded to them for situations like this. One thing is clear to me, pre-defined actions taken sooner would have exponentially decreased the impact of this on our country. Again, if you do not like the actions taken by your governor, lobby them or vote them out of office. They are the ones making the changes you despise, not the media, not scientists.
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19 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
I'm confused all the animosity towards scientists. Just because people don't like or agree with what they say doesn't make them anymore right or wrong. They present their findings and show their work. Are models and variables continuously changing, resulting in new data? Of course, that's literally how science works. Did the original projections have a huge band of outcomes? Of course, it's novel virus that no one knew much about. But of course the media immediately reports the worst case scenario instead of actual ranges, because it gets clicks.
Anyone who thinks Fauci had some axe to grind is not paying attention to what he's actually saying. He's repeatedly stated that he has no opinion on policy or on economic decisions, he is simply relaying his findings the exact same as he has for almost 40 years and through multiple viruses. Him stating what he believes might happen is not him pushing an agenda, it's doing his job. It's up to the elected officials to make the decisions.
It is the Dunning-Kruger graph. People have a tendency to think they know more about a subject than thousands of scientists who have spent decades learning a subject matter. They equate their own personal hunches as superior to billion dollar funded government agencies like the CDC.
Fauci has been the nations leading expert on infectious disease for six presidencies. He was awarded the medal of freedom by Bush, the highest non-military civil award achievable in the USA.
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What I am curious about is the absence of congressmen in the media besides for stimulus packages. Not that I miss that haha.
It has been reported they get tested twice a week. So far, only one senator and seven representatives have tested positive. Two dozen have self-quarantined.
https://www.govtrack.us/covid-19
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21 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
It's a horrible analogy for a reason. Relax, Karen.
You are right. Soz. Relaxing.
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1 hour ago, Walsh Hall said:
To stay with the trend of horrible analogies... the U.S. had a Frazee in goal. A Frazee helps keep out most pucks, however some pucks can still make it into the goal. Other people can choose not to have a Frazee in the goal. Frazee is a sieve and everything shot by a Toews goes right through him into the goal. Having a Frazee in the goal really makes no difference when facing a Toews.
You know, you are absolutely right if you completely ignore Frazees .961 save percentage in that semifinal game where he kept Toews off the score sheet until the overtime shootout. Give Toews 1000 shots on Frazee and he will score on every single one of them no doubt. Based solely on Toews going 3 for 3 in a shootout of course. It is absolutely 100% sustainable. Every coach should just not have a goalie in net when facing an elite forward, since it makes absolutely zero difference.
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1 minute ago, Siouxphan27 said:
How do those screens work on farts?
How do farts work in a car with all the windows closed?
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1 hour ago, CarpeRemote said:
Since neither of us are epidemiologists I suppose this is about equally relevant
I have screens on all my windows. It helps keep out most bugs, however some bugs can still make it into the house. Other people can choose not to have screens on their windows. They will just have more bugs getting into their homes when they have their windows open.
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Ah, I didn't have that exact detail at the time of my post. Noted. And agreed that he is a hero.
Casual reminder that Trump himself ensured residential evictions and foreclosures were banned until the end of April. I didn't make it up for speculation. So Trump is a big reason why the homelessness statistic hasn't been presented in the media in tandem with unemployment rise and economic damages.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-hud-will-suspend-all-foreclosures-and-evictions-until-the-end-of-april-amid-covid-19-outbreak
31 states currently have extended beyond the president's federal eviction ban as of today (at least from economic hardship). Meaning no sheriffs at your door until the ban expires. North Dakota's residential eviction ban was removed at the end of April. I've included several sources for you to know your rights in case you want to change your mind about what you consider to be a 100% fact or not. If you have sources with alternative facts, please share and I'll give it a read.
http://www.klgates.com/files/Publication/900fe7e5-d5ab-4aff-816e-5b5effc522e9/Preview/PublicationAttachment/dbd60ffe-42f9-4f8b-91eb-a5ea26248238/KLG_Real_Estate_COVID_19_State_by_State_Policies.pdf
https://www.fox4news.com/news/cares-act-provides-eviction-protection-for-some-renters-many-dont-know-about
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/what-you-need-to-know-about-renter-protections-during-the-pandemic
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/new-tool-allows-renters-to-check-if-theyre-protected-by-feds-eviction-moratorium
https://www.lawhelpmn.org/self-help-library/fact-sheet/covid-19-renters-rights-and-court-changes-during-pandemic
https://www.propublica.org/article/despite-federal-ban-landlords-are-still-moving-to-evict-people-during-the-pandemic
Speculations are moot though and doesn't change what happened. There is a gofundme out there if anyone wants to actually help support his family.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/officer-cody-holte-memorial