Very familiar with Shirley.
He's everything Kennedy isn't, approachable, involved, personable.
At VCSU, he successfully wove the university into the community. There was always the mentality that the university was this "other thing" in town. And it was deep. He changed that.
He brought donors in. They restarted a closed track and field program. Brought turf to the football field before any other school outside of the bigs in the state.
The school glowingly passed its audits with the legislature, when other schools were failing those same audits. He secured funding for a new science building. They augmented their masters program in tech ed, and the enrollment grew, and set records, semester after semester.
If they pass on that track record in a North Dakota native that gets the system inside and out, especially after going the complete opposite direction into a disaster, they are foolish.