pivetz
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No, people who had no problem with the logo but were cornered by the NCAA into having to retire it are victims of a bad policy.
Rather than harping on us, why not go and fix the NCAA. You seem to have the answers.
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So 67.35% of those who voted on Measure 4 are "elitists" doing the "NCAA's bidding"? If that many are "elite" I guess it's not such an elite group.
http://results.sos.n...TY&districtLG=1
All you do is whine and throw numbers around. The sanctions are still in place.
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No, I am calling YOU an extremist, along with DaveK, Fetch, Chewy and a couple of others on here. All that nonsense that the sanctions were "a small price to pay" to keep the name and logo is what I am calling extremist. 68% of North Dakotans disagreed with that suicidal viewpoint. The Native Americans of this region have been used as pawns by both sides of the nickname debate for years and that is something we all should be ashamed of. If UND had done more engagement with the tribes over the past 30-40 years, this day wouldn't have had to come. But in order to save UND athletics, the name and logo had to be retired. There is no joy in my heart on this issue, just relief that UND athletics will have a fighting chance to succeed in Division I.
So you are calling Native Americans Extremists and you look down at them as pawns. WOW!
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The Elitists on this board are doing the NCAA's bidding, you are following their indoctrination chapter and verse. You have played right into the NCAA's hands. So you should take a victory lap. What are you going to do when the NCAA doesn't exist. It's around the corner.
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Why are you still here? Your extremist position was rejected by the voters of North Dakota on Tuesday, June 12th. You, DaveK and Fetch should all get together and form a lobbying group to get REA to replace UND with an AHL franchise, because all that matters with you guys is the name and logo.
So Native Americans are Extremists now! You have no idea what matters.
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And with that you have shown even further evidence of what a jerk you are. Decent people would say "to each their own" but not a piece of work like you. Seriously, get over yourself.
Give Em Hell DaveK!!! It is easy for them to yell from the shadows.
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You find me one person that shares your beliefs. Until then I will call you out and point our your inaccuracies.
Dave, you're angry. I get that. (But it's no excuse and it surely won't be considered one if the namecalling continues.)
As I've said before, this is a loss. You're moving through the five stages of grief. (Heck, I did back in 2000 when I realized sooner or later someone would ultimately find the Achilles heel of the moniker.)
If your anger really is that bad, please, deal with it up to and including seeking help. (If not for yourself, do it for the people who have to be around you.)
If it's not, please, quit using it as an excuse. Life doesn't always go your way.
God help you the day something really catastrophic happens in your life if this sets you off so badly.
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
I was being a straight shooter with you when I wrote my post. You have made it perfectly clear that you are a fan of the nickname only. Its gone so you should move on. I see you no different than other posters who aren't fans of the Unversity of North Dakota. You are a troll only here to stir the pot. Go back and read your posts from the last 6 months, its clear what you are a fan of.
HYPOCRITES!
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All I've got? No.
All I'll use here? Yes.
I try to stick to civil conversation. It's a new concept for too many.
As I explained before, your issue is with the NCAA, not with UND or UND supporters (who support the University first and a moniker second).
Please address your concerns, which even I agree are real and legitimate, and that I've taken to the NCAA already to no avail, to the only group that can address and resolve them to your satisfaction:
Dr. Mark Emmert, PresidentDr. Bernard Franklin, Executive Vice President for Membership and Student-Athlete AffairsThe National Collegiate Athletics Association700 W. Washington StreetP.O. Box 6222Indianapolis, Indiana 46206-6222Phone: 317/917-6222Fax: 317/917-6888In the mean time, please don't be surprised when (a) I state that I support UND first and a moniker second and (b) when I challenge people who believe an 80 year moniker is more valuable than a 129 year old university.
I'm not quite sure what this has to do with the conversation. If you are saying that you were serving in the military in those locations, then thank you for your service to our country. But it doesn't mean that you know anything about the situation between UND and the NCAA. In fact, it would mean that you were probably pretty busy with other issues so you may not have been following the nickname issue very closely. And I'm not sure what you are expecting for a reception on this board since you started with a bad attitude and you have insulted a lot of people with only a few posts. Is insulting people in public on the board really any better than something said in private emails?
You can't handle any oppostion to your views can you. I am not talking with the NCAA, I am dealing with you and you stopped, took a breath, and actually read the post, before you respond we could have a better conversation. I will wait now for Homer and the BIZ grammar police to read my post and correct any errors. And if you have shy bladders you can send my an email.
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Dear poseur,
Where were you on August 5, 2005, shortly after the NCAA policy was announced?
Me? I was in communication with the folks in 300 Twamley (Kupchella and Harmeson) explaining, citing chapter and section of the Division I manual, how the NCAA had broken their own by-laws in creating this policy. (The NCAA has since changed the by-laws making this policy correct within the NCAA rules structure.)
So please, keep writing the humorous posts. I need the laughs.
Posuer? Is that all you got?
Anytime you need a laugh you give me a call!
Where was I?
2003-2004 Al Fallujah, Iraq
2005 Sharana, Afghanistan
2005-2006 Western Baghdad, Iraq
Thank You to all of you that sent me private emails. You are all class acts.
If you can't say it in public, Only a coward would say it all.
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The problem with the pipe ceremony is that there is not clear proof that it was actually a religious pipe ceremony. There isn't a great deal of evidence that exists about the ceremony and it is contradictory. There are people that were at the ceremony that believe it was simply a ceremony to recognize that a group from Standing Rock was trying to develop a relationship with the University of North Dakota. They don't believe it was a religious ceremony. One piece of evidence they cite is the fact that the person who was Tribal Chair in 1969 was at the ceremony, and he was also one of the Tribal Council members that first opposed the nickname in 1992.
The Tribal Council has repeatedly voted against UND using the nickname since 1992. It is up to the Standing Rock Tribe to determine which is right, whether the pipe ceremony was valid or not. Outside entities are going to follow the lead of the Tribal Council. It isn't up to the United States government, the North Dakota state government, UND or the NCAA to make those decisions. Those groups don't have a right to interpret tribal law. They have listened to the Standing Rock Tribal Council because the Tribal Council is the group authorized to speak for the tribe. That's how government works, and that's how business works. You deal with the authorized parties and follow what they tell you. The pipe ceremony didn't get any traction because of the efforts of the Tribal Council. If you don't like it, take it up with the Standing Rock Tribal Council. You will probably be met with the same silence as UND, the state of North Dakota and Archie Fool Bear have heard when they've tried to talk to the council about the nickname.
When you copy from other people, that is plagiarism! You should have learn that UND, oh wait the communications department lost accredition, did the english department too?
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Would have been nice if you and more like you would have been around 6 years ago when the rest of us, who you so ignorantly dismiss and berate, were fighting the good hard fight in honor of the nickname and logo. Now you show up quite late to the battle only to criticize and mock those who've been in the arena carrying your water and fighting tooth and nail against the PC zealots for years. Many of us were doing this long before the NCAA's misguided policy was even a budding seed of an idea in Bernard Franklin's mind -- and not just on message boards. So, welcome, son; glad you could finally join us. Now please check your ill-informed blanket accusations at the door and maybe try to educate yourself on the very real gradual negative impacts that continuation of the nickname and logo will have on our beloved University. When you live at ground zero of the fight, like many of us who you so casually scoff at, the realities are a bit more stark than they might seem from thousands of miles away on your deck chair on Vero Beach.
Talk about Johnny Come Lately! You don't anything about me, but if it relieves your sexual tension if quess we have saved a sheep. You people are really envious of my Deck Chair, I am sure you can pick one up at Menards.
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Please explain to me why the Standing Rock Elders refused to consent to use of the logo by UND when it is supposedly their tribe that did the religious ceremony that gave UND the right in the first place. Either the ceremony was not religious or they have decided their fathers were stupid. They have voted in new elders since the first refusal and have not changed their stance. All arguements should start and stop right there with Standing Rock. Please take it up with them instead of lamblasting a lot of people that have to deal with the consequences of their decision.
The Standing Rock Ceremony did take place! The Elders did not oppose the moniker the last few tribal councils did. Huge difference! The pipe ceremony is similar to a constitutional amendment, you just can't change it or oppose it without the correct process. Something most moniker-change proponents do not understand because they don't listen and are always running their mouths, i.e. most of the posts on this page. Standing Rock has many problems within and the moniker issue is an attention getter. It is the same when it comes to the United Tribes. They are elected individuals that think they can circumvent tradition and policy by simply passing resolutions against it. They can drive their Sovereign Nation of the cliff just as our current president has done it to ours. Politics is not law.
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How can you claim to support anything? You obviously do not read or understand what the other person is saying before you throw in your 1/2 cent. You make wild accusations with no support and your only retort is a mindless insult. It surprises you that Custer got his ass handed to him? If you are fans of this school, they need better fans.
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To 82 SiouxGuy, Sicatoka, and fightingsioux4life. Thank you for proving my point. 82 SiouxGuy adds his own spin to what others have said, and then comments on it. Sicatoka is a drama mama. Fightingsioux4life has nothing to offer but think he is talking big. You have proven that you are all minions who follow along and lack the ability to think freely. I have heard it all from UND how they have lost this and that and they will lose this and that, but when pressed for specifics they have nothing. The post season for UND athletics was not affected in any sport by the sanctions. It is scare tactics by the Three Amigos, Fiason, Kelley, and Okeefe. The moniker issue is a stand and fight situation and if you don't see that, well that is on you.
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To all of you who have bought in to the media scam that has been put forth by the University Administration and it's faculty, alumni minions: I feel sorry for you! You do not have the honor or intergrity to support anything of worth. Not defending the tribes of North Dakota shows the country just how backward and dismissable the state and it's name sake university is. For an individual to proudly post that they voted to change an important part of history with the crutch of we know better than the Indians because we are the majority and you know best because you went to school there for 5 years. You are so out of touch. This is a stand and fight issue and you have shown you are cowards that hide behind the fork-tongued words of the UND media storm that had to spend hundreds of thousands to add credence to a lie that preys on the North Dakota citizenery who are not ardent followers of the moniker issue. Lets face it the citizens of western North Dakota have other issues that occupy their time. I am insulted that I have to sit at sporting events with the likes of you who hide behind your avatars. You are no better than Minnesota Gopher Fans!
I do not hide!
Charles Drinkwine
Decendant of the Oto Indians, part of the Chiwere Tribes of lower Wisconsin. Attacked and absorbed by the Mille Lacs Chippeawa and finally settled in Manitoba as part of the Winnipeg Ojibwe clan.
Vero Beach, Florida
SBoHE votes to move ahead with nickname retirement
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Hey Mr. Facts post the any official letter from the NCAA that declares there are no sanctions against UND that is dated after the 12th of June?