rabidrabbit
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OK, as nicely as I possibly can, I am applying one collective "b***h"-slap across the face of everyone here on this thread:
"Data from 400 season ticketholders, 400 students, 545 employees and 336 faculty members was used for the survey.
The survey did not specifically address alumni."
How much stock can we actually take in this survey. Anyone who took the survey knows that the questions were heavily skewed and biased in its questioning. I think Phildo or Chuck may have actually handwritten the survey themselves. And how dare they use the word "stockholders" without addressing the biggest donors for the program - THE ALUMNI. This is simply a propoganda tool for Chuck to use with the media if he decides to not go D1. I don't like where this is heading. We need to start a replacement search for Chuck and Phildo as soon as possible. That means getting them out of their current positions first.
The survey was/is complete BS.......IMO
GO D1!!!!!!!!!!!
This is almost a cut and paste of the SDSU or NDSU surveys prior to going D-1. Ask students, teachers, employees, and season ticketholders, they are more than likely say "Stay in our comfort zone, and only stretch if know results". Any surprise there? NOT!!!
IF it's Kupchella's intent to stay D-2. This gives his position weight. However, UND appears poised to join U of Mary, Minot St. as equals. NDSU is, and SDSU down in South Dakota, are becoming the destination school in their respective states. Not just in athletics either, but in #'s of students choosing _DSU over the other college choices in the state.
I hope Kupchella notices the trends, and has enough history/knowledge of who are UND's peers. And who do they expect to be evaluated with. I have never envisioned SW Minn St., U of Mary, Northern (SD), Winona to be our peers. Montana, Creighton, Northern Iowa, Bradley, Cal Poly yes. And academically, should be in vs Big 10/Big 12 for grants, research. Unfortunately, sports define how an university is perceived, so which way to go?
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Playing Indiana and Purdue is cool, even if we get cleaned out.
Of course, the big 1011 continues to duck the UND women's basketball team ...
It's even better to beat them as a NON-Exhibition game! The SDSU women, in only 2nd year of transition went 3-4 vs NCAA & WNIT teams, and were about two teams from making the WNIT. Know that year in/year out that the NCC womens top teams were a dog-fight among UND, SDSU, NDSU with all those schools winning national crowns. There are possibilities of post-season champs after 2 yr of transition, and 7yr for NCAA's (tho this is a much more challenging possibility). It's fun to have wins over Nebraska, Alabama, Wisconsin. 
Hope to see you in D-1 games!
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Sort of like the contract between NDSU and the Forum (reported by Brandon Misener of d2football.com that two people he trusted had seen the contract) that contains agreements that the Forum write X amount of stories about NDSU (obviously not all athletic) which NDSU must approve.
From Brandon Misener (d2football) and nd4life, an UND poster all on the AnyGivenSaturday.com UND move-up thread.
Originally Posted by D2Football
By the way, I am going to ND in about three weeks. I'll make my source produce the contract. If he can't I'll retract the statement regarding the contract, which really isn't a criticism of NDSU anyway.
It's time to put this rumor to rest. Speaking as someone who had knowledge of The Forum's newsroom operations until a year ago, I can say with 100 percent certainty that no such contract exists. For that matter, there is no newsroom in the country that would enter into such a contract. That's simply not how newspapers work. There may indeed be other contracts between The Forum and NDSU concerning advertising and event sponsorships and what are called "tradeouts" in the industry. But the notion that a newspaper would agree to a deal with any business or institution mandating a specified level of news coverage is laughable.
IMHO, The GF Herald hopefully is riding this decision process and pushing for a very open decision process. This should be the biggest news issue in Grand Forks now that spring flooding is over.
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Mid-Con expansion for the SU's is more likely than Big Sky expansion. Since being in a conference is a key component to UND's decision, I am eager to see how/where UND joins a D-1 conference. Whereever it is, I suspect it's the same one as the SU's join. If it isn't, how UND did it, and survives the transition years with out the SU's being their active partner in all sports, I'm not fathoming.
I suspect the Mid-con decision will be made this summer. Has UND been in talks with the Mid-Con? Or just the Big Sky? The Big SKy has been a disappointment to the SU's while going through the tough transition years. Hope you have a conference home to move to!
The point of raising the Mid-con is that may be a home rather than Big SKy. I believe that Big Sky would not invite a D2 in, even with a commitment to go D-1, if no SU coattails to come in on. If SU's go mid-con, and UND has not even approached Mid-con, then would be left out in the cold North Dakota winter nights, with no conference to join in D-1.
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Mid-Con expansion for the SU's is more likely than Big Sky expansion. Since being in a conference is a key component to UND's decision, I am eager to see how/where UND joins a D-1 conference. Whereever it is, I suspect it's the same one as the SU's join. If it isn't, how UND did it, and survives the transition years with out the SU's being their active partner in all sports, I'm not fathoming.
I suspect the Mid-con decision will be made this summer. Has UND been in talks with the Mid-Con? Or just the Big Sky? The Big SKy has been a disappointment to the SU's while going through the tough transition years. Hope you have a conference home to move to!
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Despite how much you guys seem to want to trash SDSU, I don't remember them having any tuition waivers instead of scholarships in D-II, do you? Like or not SDSU was better off then UND would be. Those tuition waivers are the reason that UND is running a deficit. In particular, Women's Hockey is hurting UND right now. I don't understand how, if you can't get the scholarships for womens' hockey, you think you can fund everything to a D-I level?
What do you guys have against SDSU? I've defended them and UNC, and yet you attack SDSU. I would have thought you would rip me for UNC, but for some reason SDSU is you're target? I don't understand.
Being honest, SDSU is successfully transitioning to D-1. Our football is playing very well, against top 25 competition, and we have the schollies transition in place to fund the 63 in 2008 at the latest. The Rabbits will succeed, and are succeeding quite well in other sports also. Likewise, I believe that IF UND does decide to transition to D-1, that you would succeed. There is no reason, whatsoever, to believe otherwise. If you are going to dive, you must envision success, otherwise you will belly or back flop. If you choose not to dive (move up), you won't have a clue as to what would have happend if you tried. Best of luck on the MANY decisions you have.
Many VERY nasty, dividing comments are going back & forth here, and also at bisonville. Trust me, you don't want to alienate your nearest 2 D-1AA compatriots. We will both succeed in this transition. UND is alone, and if succeed in getting NDSU & SDSU so disgusted with you, your nearest competitors become UNI & UNC. And trust that they won't help you to D-1 as much as the Rabbits/Bison could or likely would.
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Reasons UND didn't move at the same time as NDSU/SDSU
1. DI rules have changed since NDSU/SDSU moved up. UC-Davis' appealed the 13 year rule for getting into the Big Dance and the rule was changed to five years if in an autobid conference (but remains 13 years without a conference). That was a huge rule change and is often forgotten.
2. No conference was available and with the 13 year rule, there wouldn't have been a chance of getting in a conference for at least 10 years - NDSU/SDSU blindly took the plunge with this issue.
3. Their DI move occurred whan Grand Forks was still in a flood recovery mode - a major new tax for local resident for a dike assessment was upcoming. The local businesses were in no mood for supporting UND to move up. GF has a new confidence now that it understandably didn't have four years ago.
4. The REA was just coming on line and there was too much uncertainty in determining how much the REA would contribute to UND athletics. Would a sold-out REA continue for hockey or would average attendance would drop back down to 6000? In other words, there was too much uncertainty regarding ticket revenue.
5. UND was scheduled to host the 2005 DII men's basketball championships and held out hope that it would be a future host of the DII football and women't basketball championships. Local civic organizations saw DII as an way to attract visitors. The 2005 basketball tournament did not meet expectations (no local teams didn't help) and it has become all too clear that DII would not support a DII championship game at the Alerus.
6. The whole nickname issue makes the next few years an ideal time to move up.
IMO, those are pretty compelling arguments for why UND needed to act independently of NDSU/SDSU and in UND's best interest. Unfortunately, too many NDSU/SDSU fans seem to think that UND should act in the best interest of NDSU/SDSU.
Funny, most of your posts are SDSU related or SDSU defensive, 89rabbit has initials of "aff", and 89rabbit seems active on every board but this one. Sorry for the mistake, apparently jumped to a conclusion based on too few coincidences.Star - This is good info on why didn't move. Thanks for sharing. This non-89 Rabbit wishes the Sioux the best in making your decision. NCC with UND in it, will continue to be one of the top D-2 conferences. Unfortunately the D-2 world is evolving, and not in a positive manner. Enjoyed participating against you in the NCC, and hope that we'll be playing you again at the D-1 level in the near future. But if you choose to remain in the NCC, you help the NCC.
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I would have to agree, that after the transitional year, there would be some decent opponents traveling to GF for football. Basketball scheduling seems to be tough for both the transitional year and year one as most D1 programs won't play you until year 2 (as that is the first year you can count as a D1 opponent).
Yes, the Transition year, play away at the D-1AA programs, for the most part. Maybe get somebody in to Grand Forks who's looking for an away game in 2007 in a home and home arrangement. Don't know how Big Sky would set up schedule-wise. However, if join GWFC, and using UNC's 2005 schedule as a guide, you'd have SDSU and Cal Poly at Grand Forks, and NDSU, UC-Davis and SUU as away games. So, to get to 5 home games, want to add to D-2's and 1 OOC home-home (maybe UCA Bears?) This is an example. But a reasonable start. Second year, likely to see reverse of GWFC home away, your OOC home-home, then add in more OOC games.
Yes, this Rabbit would like to see you amongst your peers again, and back playing us, on an even basis year in/out. BTW, the "play-down" reference was divisional, D-2 vs D-1AA vs D-1. VERY few (if any) play-downs at the lower divisional home field. Almost always at the upper school's home.
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So what makes it so different with UNH students paying those fees? It's a public institution, it has about the same enrollment that UND does, why wouldn't our students be willing to give out some more money?
This is a tough decision that the SIOUX face! Best luck in making it. 
It appears that if you stay in D-2, that you'll have plenty of NSIC and DAK10 schools to play locally. Costs (and revenues) will continue to decrease. Hockey will continue to rule and suck off larger and larger % of the athletic budget. D-1 has a lot of risks. Football conference appears to be either invite from Big Sky (along withthe SU's), or from the Great West (again with the SU's). Basketball, and other sports, if don't get Big Sky, then the United (pick your sport) conferences will provide a home to start in. Mid-con and Big Sky remain as future homes when eligible for play-offs and schools shift in and out. Who knows, maybe a D-1 NCC would be reformed in 2015 when all the schools that would ever move up have moved up.
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How did Northern Iowa build a 16,000 indoor stadium for only $7.5 million? Will they go to North Dakota in 2007?
UNI dome built in 1977. Suspect, that like USD, they've replaced the teflon-coated, fiberglas roofing system at least once, and may not have an air supported system at this time.
UNI will not be coming to Grand Forks as long as UND stays D-2. Neither will SDSU or NDSU. It's a completely losing situation for the D-1's to go to a smaller school's home field.
Should UND decide to bite the bullet and go D-1, your first year's home games will consist of the D-2 games, and if go Big Sky (huge assumption) then whatever conference games you get. If you go Great West (assuming there is a Great West to go to), then you will fill in the scheduling spot that UNC made when they went Big Sky. Your OOC - look to play the non-schollies D-1AA (Alpo, Drake, Dayton). Of course, Ga Southern has shown a great willingness to play new transitionals (their powerpuff games). But be assured the first year of transition, no power school will play you at home. For verification, see NDSU, SDSU 2004 schedules and U Cent Ark (2006) schedules for info. Good games, against top schools, those you can get. But as away games.
Hope this is the initiation to consistent D-1AA play. Otherwise, great success to you in the NCC and D-2.
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So there are UND fans out there that say "hockey is the best, who cares about the rest" that would view the move to DI as taking resources away from hockey and would thus fight the move?
I'm confused. UNH, Maine, etc appear to be able to support hockey, field competitive football, basketball, and other sports (including baseball, seen them in the CWS a couple of times). So what, if anything do these schools have that UND is missing?
Other schools, Presbyterian College, and Campbell University are moving up and with football. I live down by Fl Gulf Coast Univ. We NEVER see this athletic program reported even here. Why is a strong, hi attendance, good funding university even considering that remaining D-II is the place to stay?
Time to MOVE forward is now! Can deal with the name change, or sue NCAA, address the transition issues. If Big Sky aren't available during transition, join the United _____ Conferences so have games/Matches, and return to playing your peer schools. The heart of NCC that was champions was four schools, UNI, UND, NDSU & SDSU. Three of these are D-1.
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With "Goldie Gopher" as a conference rival in a major UND sport you'd want to steer clear of anything resembling rodentia for identity and licensing issue concerns.
Saddle up.
Be Flick Flickertail, LOL Of course, the Attorney (fighting) Sue works well for the JD school that UND is. Then just change symbol to a Judge, and still use all the same cheers. LOL
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The state of Minnesota nickname is The Gopher State.
The state of Nebraskas nickname is the Cornhusker State.
The state of Wisconsins nickname is the Badger State.
The state of Michigans nicknames are The Wolverine State, The Great Lakes State.
The state of Iowas nicknames are The Hawkeye State, The Tall Corn State.
The state of North Dakotas nicknames are Peace Garden State, Roughrider State, Flickertail State
I see a trend that I would like to see continue.
If this is a good precedent, then add in South Dakota, the Coyote State.
Great trend of the State animal is the University of symbol. Then, Flickertail is the recommended choice. AND KEEPS YOU OUT OF THE "FOR HER PLEASURE" TAUNTS
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I wish there was a fact based page that showed time frames, links to actual stories, of stuff like this, because it seems to always come up.
Now that UND is playing UNI, I for see a lot of (bison) fans on the site saying "why not us"?
Simply put, this is to address a need BY UNI for a D-2 game. UNI has a murderous schedule this year. They needed a warm-up game. So, while I'll acknowledge that I'm pulling for our new Wrestling Conference partner to win this game, I'll also acknowledge that UND is in almost exactly the same position that NDSU was when they knocked off Montana. You'll have a good sense of how much you'll need to upgrade to move to D-1 with this game. Further, SDSU, a transitional like NDSU, plays UNI the following week. This will give you a sense of where you are vs. D-1, where a team with a long history with you, and hopefully
a great future with you, is after 3 yrs of transition is relative to the top of 1-AA.The Bison, still in transition, presented NO upside, other than possible bragging right, for UNI this year. And neither team was budging from having a home game on their turf this year. IMHO, THAT's why NDSU vs. UNI isn't happening this year. However, I can only read about it, and have NO inside info.
Sioux - Good luck with the NCC - hope this is your final year there, and that we'll see/enjoy your presence in D-1 soon. Enjoy, and play well, the "measuring stick" game with UNI.
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Christmas came early...celebration time.
It's done!
http://www.in-forum.com/ap/index.cfm?page=view&id=D8H7BCRO3
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Excellent points. Hindsight is 20/20, but if you're right about those figures, and if had we gone DI the same time that SDSU and NDSU did, and got the $300,000 guarantee football game with Minnesota for 2006 (NDSU was reluctant to take that game for 2006, I'm sure UofM would be just as if not more interested in bringing the Sioux to the Twin Cities) and made the Frozen Four in the last two years, then you can figure that by October 21st of this year UND will have missed out on over $1,000,000. Then figure in the 25% increase in home football attendance that NDSU & SDSU have seen since going DI-AA that number is even greater.
Ok - Say the Sioux stay in D-II, doesn't that mean that you are locking yourself out from revenues that Maine and UNH and other D-1 schools with hockey enjoy. Is anything better for Sioux fans to stay where you are at (D-11, NCC)? Or is the NCC time clicking loudly with UNI, UNC, and two Ag schools gone?
I think the cost of remaining in D-11 is very high.
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Hi Sioux! Been reading here, at the NCC site and AnyGivenSaturday.com (a wonderful D-1AA fan board). Would love to have you, ex-NCC foe leap to D-1AA, sooner rather than later.
Why? Because you're at the top end of D-11, you'll come in as a strong D-I transitional (See SDSU, Cal-Davis, NDSU) and the timing is already 3 years later than should have.
Financially, the numbers are there for ya.
Attendance is there. Your strong traditional rivals are there (UNI, UNC, SDSU, NDSU). After done transitioning Minnesota, Wis., Kansas, Wyo., Mont. and all the nearby large schools will be your OOC schedules. Likewise, it's appearing that the Mid-Con is going to open up to expansion, but that's a bb conference, with all-sports. Leaves the Great West Football Conference looking to add a strong football school. Look in the mirror, maybe you'll find one.
The two SU's have started a basketball alliance that are basically for transitioning schools, so even if Mid-Con and Big Sky don't want you with all the transitional issues you'll bring (unavoidable), you'll still have games and a "league" for this trying period.
I know there's bad blood between the two No Dak schools, but realistically, you're better off together than divorced. Hope to see you in D-1 play in the near future!!!
D-1 Survey Says...
in NCAA News
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Money - Go Sioux and Alumni -
Conference - Football - GWFC
Basketball - Mid-con (toward end of transition years), possibility - immediately - United Basketball Alliance.
Soccer - United Soccer Conference
Swimming & Diving - possible mid-con affiliate?
Given Grand Forks ND for a base, the "nearby" conferences are the Big Sky, Mid-con/GWFC, and (huge stretch) Gateway/Mo Valley.
Big Sky may expand. Mid-con is DEFINITELY going to expand, and Gateway/Mo Valley several years away from expanding.