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  1. Wow, how did Bemidji and Mankato end up with the Michigan Schools? Travel would kill their budgets (and probably programs) when UND, SCSU, UMD and UNO are all closer.

    I think if the Big Ten schools break off, you will need to see a more regional alliance. This will help offset the travel part of the budget with the monies lost from possibly not playing the Minnesotas and Wisconsins of the hockey world.

    One of the attraction of college hockey is that the big schools often play the smaller schools. If it went to a completely regional basis with all the small schools playing only other small schools, the question then is whether this is actually good for college hockey. By being regional, it may help offset the costs but it may also diminish the program by not being able to become a national player. Several of the Big Ten Schools, specifically Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, along with other schools such as UND, Denver, Boston College have been national players. These schools will want to continue to be national players whereas if they (UND, Denver, CC) are in a region with the smaller schools, they may end up losing this. The question then becomes, at some time, will Division II college start again as many of these smaller schools are DII.

    I am not opposed to the Big Ten Hockey Conference but I do understand that it could mean the demise of college hockey as it has been historically if the realignment is not well thought out. Would it mean the demise of the smaller schools? If so, is this actually good for college hockey and if these school fail, would college hockey continue with only 15 or 20 teams (Big Ten, Hockey East, scattering of other schools)?

  2. I agree with you, but this would take a vision and attitude from the president's office and athletic department that I have yet to see. I know there are different faces now than there were ten or so years ago when the xdsus started their move, but I wonder if the new guys have the fortitude to change the culture of 'this is good enough for us", and aspire to something more.

    I have always felt that UND and NDSU made a mistake by not moving to D1AA in the late 70s with UNI and the Montana schools. It would be interesting what this discussion would like today if they had.

  3. This sounds like a niche activity. We should get some outside opinions on whether these championships count. :D

    You could argue that everything is a 'niche' activity; whether academic or athletic, all championship count. You just don't hear about some of them.

  4. Everything we are hearing here in New Jersey says it is 99.9% certain they will invite Rutgers into The Big Ten ( I still can't believe this is even a possibility considering the bungling of our sports programs from 1977 until about ten years ago). Are you guys in North Dakota and other Midwest states reading and hearing we will definitely be invited? Thanks for any comments.

    GO FIGHTING SIOUX!

    GO SCARLET KNIGHTS!

    By the way, Rutgers does have a club hockey team but I think with Title 9,we would have to come up with A LOT of money to add two more Division 1 sports teams.

    I don't hear quite the same but I do hear the expectation that Rutgers will be asked to get into the NYC television market but even with Rutgers, there is no gurantee that it will be the key to tapping the market hence the questions.

  5. Sorry, should have been more clear.

    Delany is basically asking what kind of extras each of those schools can deliver to the Big Ten.

    One of the more recent rumors another set of schools the Big Ten is pondering is Texas, Texas A&M, Rutgers, Maryland, and Virginia. In that case, hockey certainly wouldn't be as prominent in the discussions.

    Maryland has a club hockey team and I don't think it would take to much to convince to upgrade as there had been talk of it a few years back although I don't think it was serious. Doesn't Rutgers have a club hockey team as well? If so, hockey might not be the stretch that some are making it to be.

  6. We talking the actual Wisconsin law or you want to get hypothetical?

    The law deals with local school boards, not the university system.

    It's a slippery slope where it may only apply to one today but escalate to others tomorrow. So yes, it may be more hypothetical at the moment but it could be the start of something else where the lower hanging fruits are picked from the tree but once started, the more difficult ones are gotten later.

  7. So does this include, Vikings, Irish, Warriors, Spartans, Trojans... There is a lot that fits under race, isn't there?

    This seems like one step closer to UND Green v. UMN Gold. Don't want to offend the little buck toothed fellas. DOn't they have it hard enough? We are taking their natural habitat in urban sprawl and jepordizing their exsistance. NDSU Yellow seems right too as we nearly killed off the Buffalo with our settling.

    The interesting aspect of this is that it may also apply to the U of Wisc if taken literally. The badgers don't refer to an animal but to individuals in Wisconsin so if the law is taken literally, then Wisc should be forced to change its nickname as well. Won't happen but somebody is sure to push it.

  8. The NCAA governed the use of nicknames via the 'Hostile and Abusive' program.

    That's a fact.

    And yet they even admitted that the schools could choose whatever nickname they wanted but couldn't display it at NCCA tournaments or host tournaments. Not quite as drastic as the viewpoint expressed.

  9. The paradox is that not a single Sioux fan respects the NCAA's right to govern the choice of nickname that its member schools use,

    Wow! Although this is out of context, you seem to be stating that member schools have no right to choose their own nickname. Even the NCAA didn't go that far.

  10. Then you don't deal with them. Sorry, that's how I view it.

    You don't get an excuse to be lazy and slow just because you claim that it's your culture. You get left out of the deal, if that be the case!

    You've never been outside the US? Many non-US countries view attitudes like this as American arrogance. And sometimes American companies get left out of the deal because they fail to consider the consequence of accepting that there are cultural differences.

  11. Thanks for not jumping down my throat because I didn't agree with you at first. I see where you are coming from but as you point out you just sort of contradicted yourself. You say at the end of this post you do think we can sustain it. I think no matter when it is during the transition or how long after raising funds takes the right kind of people to do it. I also think there are so many things outside of any schools control ie. the economy where those factors play a huge role. But given how NDSU has generated the funds all the while during a less than stellar last couple of years in football and with a bad economy I'm not worried about NDSU's long term sustainability at the DI level. I think the room for growth for NDSU is huge. It doesn't hurt that the FM area has weathered the downturn in the economy as it has. I just don't see the excitement level drop you reference being a problem either. Until UND finds a better conference home though I can see that being a problem for UND. I think the numbers in the stands at football and Basketball bear that out.

    It's actually a hedge as I think that UND and NDSU can find a level that is sustainable but I think there will be more difficulty as time goes by. I think UND and NDSU both made a mistake by not going D1AA in the late 70's along with the Montana schools and Northern Iowa. And true, the Fargo area has grown tremendously from when I lived in Grand Forks so that market still has some potential given the growth rate that other areas don't have.

  12. Friends and relatives have been saying that very thing for a couple of years. Is it MANDATORY to have a nickname? the NCAA could force UND to come up with something? I think it would be the best response to say, "this nickname isn't appropriate, so we'll choose to go without."

    "Here comes your University of North Dakota Hockey Team!"

    I have stated early in this forum that it should just be the University of North Dakota without a nickname. It would make them unique in the sporting world and highlights the University.

  13. A thought that is way off the mark. Season ticket sales are steadily rising each year. Teammakers keeps setting fund raising records. That last part of your comment wasn't very well thought out.

    You highlighted my point exactly. You have not been having any problem during the early years, the excitement level is still high and the move is still fresh It is still too early for the last part to play out but give it 10 or 15 years before this can be ruled correct or not but consider this, how many schools have made the jump in divisions, got a nice increase in fund raising when the jump was made, and then jumped back down in division because they could not sustain the necessary expenditures giving their ability to generate funds. While I'm not saying that it can't be sustained, only that it becomes harder as the excitement level plateaus. Certain games, rivalry games, have a highly sustained interest level year after year.

    Personally I think UND and NDSU can reached a sustainable level but I'm not quite so sure about USD.

  14. how about und just move on, ndsu already has. thats the most novel concept. if und is so great, do it on your own like ndsu did without ndsu's help. cmon I dare ya.

    Seems like it already has to the same extent that NDSU has but that doesn't change the fact that the rivalry in football stopped when NDSU moved up and UND didn't and the NCAA rules penalized teams for playing in different divisions at the time. Being in the same division and after the end of the transition period, there is no real reason not to play other than arrogance (and both NDSU and UND fans have this in spades). UND does need to recognize that NDSU, given its conference affiliation, can't be as flexible as UND but that isn't to say it isn't in NDSU's advantage to play the game. If in doubt about this, think of the fundraisers and the donors and what they want. The early years of fund raising when the move up was new was easy but it gets harder to keep the momentum going as time goes by. Just a thought

  15. OK, so I kind of grasped Fetch's idea he posted in the Random Nickname thread about the Fighting Pheasants.

    Well, everyone knows, pheasants aren't the badasses of the animal kingdom, nor do they put up much of a fight in the wild....UNTIL NOW.

    Here's a little something I whipped up in the wee hours of the morning. Pheasants are a big part of North Dakota's makeup on a national level, and are actually a pretty neat bird. Everyone wants something that is terrifying, unique, cool, etc. all in one package. Trying to get that is pretty much as slim as it gets...other than keeping Fighting Sioux (and all this is, of course, 2nd to our current nickname). So, why not take this awesome animal, transform it into our own mean, badass logo and nickname. There are a lot of weak nicknames in college athletics, and no one criticizes them for it (Cardinals, Ducks, Gophers, etc...ok, so we rip on Gophers, but we all know that when someone says Gophers, we immediately identify the U of Minn).

    Whatcha think? (And yes, I made this. Consider it my intellectual property. Please ask before using...not sure what you'd use it for anyways)

    fightnpheasantsml.png

    On our current home hockey jerseys:

    pheasantsjersey.png

    Are you suggesting the new name for the UND Fighting Sioux be the UND Fighting Chicken and have a logo to match? UND should just stick to UND and not have a nickname or logo. Anything else ends up being disrespectful to the Sioux

  16. How about making it a charity game. Profits go to worthy cause, Substance Abuse Programs, Cancer, Childhood Diabetes Big Brothers/ Big Sisters whatever. Hard for either school to say no to a worthy cause. I know the Packers do it for a couple of their pre season games.Everybody wins, the schools, the fans, the people of North Dakota. Just a thought.

    Ah, too much pressure on the schools. It sounds like one-and-one every other year proposal should have been taken but it still doesn't answer how this helps NDSU's goal of 6 homes games as by default one game every other year is away. The idea of a game after the playoffs start with the teams that don't make the playoffs should be considerdc. I would add USD and SDSU in the mix as well (NDSU already plays SDSU and UND already plays USD) with the winner getting a new trophy as the Dakota Champion. Just a thought and with the games being charity games, everybody wins.

  17. Your numbers are wrong - 12,000 for the Gopher game - double that for 2 years in a roll. You can play with numbers all you want - hockey is still a regional sport with only 50 some teams of which 40 are usually very bad and under funded.

    While there are 58 or 59 NCAA Division 1 schools, your knowledge of hockey teams is somewhat limited as there is also college club hockey team. Here are some teams listed at the http://www.achahockey.org/page.php?page_id=7150 website (American Collegiate Hockey Association). While not NCAA Division 1, it is still college hockey and it is widely distributed across the U.S. Not too bad for a 'regional' sport with club hockey teams @ UCLA, Arizona State, Alabama, Arkansas. UCLA, Stanford, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgetown, Delaware, U of Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Iowa State, Penn State, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, NDSU, Idaho, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maryland, Missouri, North Carolina, Montana, Nevada-Las Vegas, Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, Syracuse University, Pennslyannia, Pittsburg, Clemson, Texas, West Virginia....

    As NDSU plays club hockey, it should be aware that there are a lot more universities around the country that play hockey than is at the Division One level. A concern for many years for Division 1 is if a Big Ten school, such as Penn State ever decided to upgrade to Division One, then the Big Ten Hockey Conference would start via the Big Ten Conference rules.

    Here is the list of schools from the website.

    Alabama, University of M3 Tuscaloosa AL SE

    Arkansas, University of M3 Fayetteville AR SE

    Arizona , University of M1 Tucson AZ RM

    Arizona State University M1 Tempe AZ RM

    Arizona State University M2 Tempe AZ RM

    Northern Arizona University M3 Flagstaff AZ RM

    California - Berkeley , University of M2 Berkeley CA PC

    California - Davis, University of M3 Davis CA PC

    California - Irvine, University of M3 Irvine CA PC

    California - Los Angeles , University of M2 Los Angeles CA PC

    California - San Diego, University of M3 San Diego CA PC

    California State University - Long Beach M2 Long Beach CA PC

    California State University - Northridge M3 Northridge CA PC

    California State University-Sacramento M3 Sacramento CA PC

    Canyons, College of the M3 Santa Clarita CA PC

    Fresno State University M3 Fresno CA PC

    Loyola Marymount University M2 Los Angeles CA PC

    San Diego State University M3 San Diego CA PC

    San Jose State University M2 San Jose CA PC

    Santa Clara University M3 Santa Clara CA PC

    Southern California , University of M2 Los Angeles CA PC

    Southern California , University of W2 Los Angeles CA PC

    Stanford University M2 Stanford CA PC

    Air Force Academy, United States M3 Colorado Springs CO RM

    Colorado , University of M2 Boulder CO RM

    Colorado , University of M3 Boulder CO RM

    Colorado , University of W1 Boulder CO RM

    Colorado College M3 Colorado Springs CO RM

    Colorado School of Mines M3 Golden CO RM

    Colorado State University M2 Ft. Collins CO RM

    Colorado-Colorado Springs , University of M3 Colorado Springs CO RM

    Denver , University of M2 Denver CO RM

    Mesa State College M3 Grand Junction CO RM

    Metropolitan State College of Denver M2 Denver CO RM

    Northern Colorado , University of M3 Greeley CO RM

    Central Connecticut State University M2 New Britain CT NE

    Coast Guard Academy, United States M2 New London CT NE

    Connecticut , University of M2 Storrs CT NE

    Connecticut , University of W1 Storrs CT NE

    Connecticut College M2 New London CT NE

    Fairfield University M3 Fairfield CT NE

    Fairfield University W2 Fairfield CT NE

    Sacred Heart University M2 Fairfield CT NE

    Southern Connecticut State University M3 New Haven CT NE

    Wesleyan University M2 Middletown CT NE

    Western Connecticut State University M2 Danbury CT NE

    American University M3 Washington DC SE

    American University W2 Washington DC SE

    Catholic University of America M3 Washington DC SE

    George Washington University M3 Washington DC SE

    Georgetown University M2 Washington DC SE

    Delaware , University of M1 Newark DE AT

    Delaware , University of W2 Newark DE AT

    Central Florida , University of M3 Orlando FL SE

    Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University M3 Daytona Beach FL SE

    Florida , University of M2 Gainesville FL SE

    Florida Atlantic University M3 Boca Raton FL SE

    Florida Gulf Coast University M2 Ft. Myers FL SE

    Florida Gulf Coast University M3 Ft. Myers FL SE

    Florida Institute of Technology M3 Melbourne FL SE

    Florida State University M3 Tallahassee FL SE

    Rollins College M3 Winter Park FL SE

    South Florida, University of M3 Tampa FL SE

    Georgia , University of M3 Athens GA SE

    Georgia Institute of Technology M3 Atlanta GA SE

    Kennesaw State University M2 Kennesaw GA SE

    Life University M2 Marietta GA SE

    Dordt College M3 Sioux Center IA CN

    Iowa , University of M2 Iowa City IA CN

    Iowa State University M1 Ames IA CN

    Iowa State University M2 Ames IA CN

    Iowa State University W2 Ames IA CN

    Boise State University M2 Boise ID RM

    Idaho, University of M2 Moscow ID RM

    Bradley University M2 Peoria IL CN

    DePaul University M2 Chicago IL CN

    Eastern Illinois University M2 Charleston IL CN

    Illinois - Chicago, University of M2 Chicago IL CN

    Illinois , University of M1 Champaign IL CN

    Illinois , University of M2 Champaign IL CN

    Illinois State University - ICEBIRDS M2 Normal IL CN

    Illinois State University - REDBIRDS M2 Normal IL CN

    Lincoln Land Community College M3 Springfield IL CN

    Loyola University-Chicago M2 Chicago IL CN

    McKendree College M2 Lebanon IL CN

    Northern Illinois University M2 De Kalb IL CN

    Northwestern University M2 Evanston IL CN

    Robert Morris College M1 Chicago IL CN

    Robert Morris College W1 Chicago IL CN

    Robert Morris College - MAROON M2 Chicago IL CN

    Robert Morris College - WHITE M2 Chicago IL CN

    Robert Morris College-Springfield M2 Springfield IL CN

    Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville - GOLD M2 Edwardsville IL CN

    Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville - SILVER M2 Edwardsville IL CN

    Western Illinois University M2 Macomb IL CN

    Wheaton College (IL) M2 Wheaton IL CN

    Holy Cross College M3 Notre Dame IN MD

    Indiana University M2 Bloomington IN MD

    Indiana University-Purdue University Fort Wayne M3 Fort Wayne IN MD

    Purdue University M2 W Lafayette IN MD

    Kansas , University of M2 Lawrence KS CN

    Kansas , University of M3 Lawrence KS CN

    Eastern Kentucky University M3 Richmond KY MD

    Kentucky , University of M2 Lexington KY MD

    Louisville, University of M3 Louisville KY MD

    Northern Kentucky University M3 Highland Heights KY MD

    Louisiana State University M3 Baton Rouge LA SE

    Louisiana-Lafayette, University of M2 Lafayette LA SE

    Tulane University M3 New Orleans LA SE

    Babson College M2 Babson Park MA MA

    Boston College M2 Chestnut Hill MA MA

    Bridgewater State College M2 Bridgewater MA MA

    Clark University M2 Worcester MA MA

    Endicott College M2 Beverly MA MA

    Holy Cross, College of the M2 Worcester MA MA

    Massachusetts , University of M2 Amherst MA MA

    Massachusetts , University of W1 Amherst MA MA

    Massachusetts Institute of Technology M2 Cambridge MA MA

    Massachusetts-Lowell, University of W2 Lowell MA MA

    Nichols College W1 Dudley MA MA

    Northeastern University M2 Boston MA MA

    Smith College W2 Northampton MA MA

    Springfield College M2 Springfield MA MA

    Tufts University M2 Medford MA MA

    Westfield State College M2 Westfield MA MA

    Worcester Polytechnic Institute M2 Worcester MA MA

    Loyola College M3 Baltimore MD SE

    Maryland , University of M1 College Park MD SE

    Maryland , University of W2 College Park MD SE

    Maryland-Baltimore County , University of M2 Baltimore MD SE

    Naval Academy, United States M1 Annapolis MD SE

    Salisbury University M3 Salisbury MD SE

    Towson University M1 Towson MD SE

    Bates College M2 Lewiston ME NE

    Bates College W2 Lewiston ME NE

    New England, University of M2 Biddeford ME NE

    Saint Joseph's College of Maine M2 Standish ME NE

    Adrian College M1 Adrian MI MI

    Albion College M3 Albion MI MI

    Calvin College M3 Grand Rapids MI MI

    Central Michigan University M2 Mt Pleasant MI MI

    Davenport University M2 Grand Rapids MI MI

    Delta College M3 University Center MI MI

    Eastern Michigan University M1 Ypsilanti MI MI

    Ferris State University M2 Big Rapids MI MI

    Grand Valley State University M2 Allendale MI MI

    Grand Valley State University M3 Allendale MI MI

    Grand Valley State University W1 Allendale MI MI

    Hope College M3 Holland MI MI

    Jackson Community College M3 Jackson MI MI

    Lake Superior State University M3 Sault Ste Marie MI MI

    Lansing Community College M3 Lansing MI MI

    Lawrence Technological University M3 Southfield MI MI

    Michigan - Flint, University of M2 Flint MI MI

    Michigan , University of M2 Ann Arbor MI MI

    Michigan , University of W1 Ann Arbor MI MI

    Michigan State University M2 East Lansing MI MI

    Michigan State University W1 East Lansing MI MI

    Michigan Technological University M2 Houghton MI MI

    Michigan-Dearborn , University of M1 Dearborn MI MI

    Northern Michigan University M2 Marquette MI MI

    Northern Michigan University W1 Marquette MI MI

    Northwood University M3 Midland MI MI

    Oakland University M1 Rochester Hills MI MI

    Oakland University M3 Rochester Hills MI MI

    Saginaw Valley State University M3 Saginaw MI MI

    Western Michigan University M1 Kalamazoo MI MI

    Western Michigan University W1 Kalamazoo MI MI

    Mesabi Range Community & Technical College M3 Virginia MN MN

    Minnesota , University of M2 Minneapolis MN MN

    Minnesota , University of W1 Minneapolis MN MN

    Minnesota State University-Mankato M2 Mankato MN MN

    Minnesota-Duluth, University of W2 Duluth MN MN

    Rainy River Community College W2 International Falls MN MN

    Saint Cloud State University M2 St. Cloud MN MN

    Saint Cloud State University W1 St. Cloud MN MN

    Saint Olaf College M2 Northfield MN MN

    Saint Scholastica, College of W2 Duluth MN MN

    Saint Thomas, University of M2 St. Paul MN MN

    Lindenwood University M1 St. Charles MO CN

    Lindenwood University M2 St. Charles MO CN

    Lindenwood University W1 St. Charles MO CN

    Missouri - Columbia, University of M2 Columbia MO CN

    Missouri State University - MAROON M2 Springfield MO CN

    Missouri State University - WHITE M2 Springfield MO CN

    Saint Louis University M1 St. Louis MO CN

    Montana State University M2 Bozeman MT RM

    Montana, University of M2 Missoula MT RM

    Appalachian State University M3 Boone NC SE

    Duke University M2 Durham NC SE

    East Carolina University M3 Greenville NC SE

    North Carolina - Charlotte, University of M3 Charlotte NC SE

    North Carolina - Wilmington, University of M3 Wilmington NC SE

    North Carolina , University of M2 Chapel Hill NC SE

    North Carolina State University M2 Raleigh NC SE

    North Carolina State University M3 Raleigh NC SE

    Minot State University M1 Minot ND MN

    Minot State University W2 Minot ND MN

    North Dakota State University M1 Fargo ND MN

    North Dakota State University W2 Fargo ND MN

    Creighton University M3 Omaha NE CN

    Nebraska, University of M2 Lincoln NE CN

    Daniel Webster College M2 Nashua NH NE

    Keene State College M2 Keene NH NE

    New Hampshire, University of M2 Durham NH NE

    Monmouth University M3 West Long Branch NJ AT

    Montclair State University M2 Montclair NJ AT

    New Jersey, The College of M2 Ewing NJ AT

    Princeton University M2 Princeton NJ AT

    Richard Stockton College of New Jersey M3 Pomona NJ AT

    Rider University M2 Lawrenceville NJ AT

    Rowan University M2 Glassboro NJ AT

    Rutgers University M1 New Brunswick NJ AT

    Rutgers University - Camden M3 Camden NJ AT

    Seton Hall University M2 S Orange NJ AT

    William Paterson University M2 Wayne NJ AT

    New Mexico, University of M2 Albuquerque NM RM

    Nevada-Las Vegas, University of M2 Las Vegas NV PC

    Albany, State University of New York at M3 Albany NY NY

    Binghamton University M1 Binghamton NY NY

    Briarcliffe College M3 Bethpage NY NY

    Buffalo , University at M1 Buffalo NY NY

    Buffalo , University at W1 Buffalo NY NY

    Cornell University M1 Ithaca NY NY

    Cortland, State University of New York M1 Cortland NY NY

    Farmingdale, State University of New York M3 Farmingdale NY NY

    Fordham University M3 Bronx NY NY

    Fredonia, State University of New York M3 Fredonia NY NY

    Hofstra University M3 Hempstead NY NY

    Ithaca College M1 Ithaca NY NY

    Keuka College M2 Keuka Park NY NY

    Long Island University-C.W. Post M2 Brookville NY NY

    Marist College M2 Poughkeepsie NY NY

    Mount St. Mary's College M3 Newburgh NY NY

    New Paltz, SUNY- M3 New Paltz NY NY

    New York University M2 New York NY NY

    Niagara University M1 Niagara NY NY

    Oswego State University M1 Oswego NY NY

    Rochester , University of M1 Rochester NY NY

    Rochester Institute of Technology M2 Rochester NY NY

    Saint Bonaventure University M1 St. Bonaventure NY NY

    Saint Thomas Aquinas College M3 Sparkill NY NY

    Siena College M2 Loudonville NY NY

    Skidmore College M3 Saratoga Springs NY NY

    Stony Brook University M1 Stony Brook NY NY

    Syracuse University M1 Syracuse NY NY

    Union College M3 Schenectady NY NY

    Wagner College M2 Staten Island NY NY

    Akron, University of M3 Akron OH MD

    Bowling Green State University M2 Bowling Green OH MD

    Case Western Reserve University M3 Cleveland OH MD

    Cincinnati, University of M3 Cincinnati OH MD

    Dayton , University of M2 Dayton OH MD

    Denison University M3 Newark OH MD

    John Carroll University M1 Cleveland OH MD

    Kent State University M1 Kent OH MD

    Miami University M2 Oxford OH MD

    Ohio State University M2 Columbus OH MD

    Ohio State University W1 Columbus OH MD

    Ohio University M1 Athens OH MD

    Ohio Wesleyan University M3 Delaware OH MD

    Toledo, University of M2 Toledo OH MD

    Wright State University M2 Dayton OH MD

    Xavier University M3 Cincinnati OH MD

    Youngstown State University M1 Youngstown OH MD

    Central Oklahoma, University of M1 Edmond OK RM

    Oklahoma University M1 Norman OK RM

    Oregon , University of M2 Eugene OR PC

    Portland State University M2 Portland OR PC

    Allegheny County, Community College of M3 Pittsburgh PA MD

    Alvernia College M3 Reading PA AT

    Bucknell University M3 Lewisburg PA AT

    California University of Pennsylvania M3 California PA MD

    Dickinson College M3 Carlisle PA AT

    Drexel University M1 Philadelphia PA AT

    Drexel University W2 Philadelphia PA AT

    Duquesne University M1 Pittsburgh PA MD

    East Stroudsberg University M3 East Stroudsburg PA AT

    Edinboro University of Pennsylvania M3 Edinboro PA MD

    Franklin & Marshall College M2 Lancaster PA AT

    Gettysburg College M3 Gettysburg PA AT

    Indiana University of Pennsylvania M1 Indiana PA MD

    Indiana University of Pennsylvania M3 Indiana PA MD

    Indiana University of Pennsylvania W2 Indiana PA MD

    Kutztown University M2 Kutztown PA AT

    La Salle University M2 Philadelphia PA AT

    Lafayette College M2 Easton PA AT

    Lehigh University M1 Bethlehem PA AT

    Lehigh University M3 Bethlehem PA AT

    Mercyhurst College M1 Erie PA MD

    Millersville University M2 Millersville PA AT

    Muhlenberg College M2 Allentown PA AT

    Neumann College M3 Aston PA AT

    Pennsylvania , University of W2 Philadelphia PA AT

    Pennsylvania , University of M2 Philadelphia PA AT

    Pennsylvania State University M1 State College PA MD

    Pennsylvania State University M2 State College PA MD

    Pennsylvania State University W1 State College PA MD

    Pennsylvania State University-Altoona M3 Altoona PA MD

    Pennsylvania State University-Behrend M3 Erie PA MD

    Pennsylvania State University-Berks M1 Reading PA AT

    Pennsylvania State University-Delaware County M3 Media PA AT

    Pittsburgh - Johnstown, University of M3 Johnstown PA MD

    Pittsburgh , University of M3 Pittsburgh PA MD

    Pittsburgh , University of M1 Pittsburgh PA MD

    Robert Morris University M1 Moon Township PA MD

    Robert Morris University M3 Moon Township PA MD

    Saint Joseph's University M2 Philadelphia PA AT

    Saint Vincent College M3 Latrobe PA MD

    Scranton, University of M1 Scranton PA AT

    Scranton, University of M2 Scranton PA AT

    Shippensburg University M3 Shippensburg PA AT

    Slippery Rock University M1 Slippery Rock PA MD

    Slippery Rock University W2 Slippery Rock PA MD

    Temple University M2 Philadelphia PA AT

    Villanova University M1 Philadelphia PA AT

    Villanova University W2 Philadelphia PA AT

    Washington & Jefferson College M1 Washington PA MD

    West Chester University M1 West Chester PA AT

    Widener University M3 Chester PA AT

    Bryant University M2 Smithfield RI NE

    Rhode Island , University of M1 Kingston RI NE

    Rhode Island , University of W1 Kingston RI NE

    Rhode Island College M2 Providence RI NE

    Clemson University M3 Clemson SC SE

    South Carolina, University of M3 Columbia SC SE

    South Dakota , University of M3 Vermillion SD MN

    South Dakota State University M3 Brookings SD MN

    South Dakota State University W2 Brookings SD MN

    Middle Tennessee State University M3 Murfreesboro TN SE

    Tennessee, University of M3 Knoxville TN SE

    Vanderbilt University M3 Nashville TN SE

    Baylor University M2 Waco TX RM

    North Texas, University of M2 Denton TX RM

    Southern Methodist University M2 Dallas TX RM

    Texas , University of M2 Austin TX RM

    Texas A & M University M2 College Station TX RM

    Texas Tech University M2 Lubbock TX RM

    Texas-San Antonio, University of M2 San Antonio TX RM

    Brigham Young University M2 Provo UT RM

    Utah , University of M2 Salt Lake City UT RM

    Utah State University M2 Logan UT RM

    Utah Valley State College M2 Orem UT RM

    Weber State University M1 Ogden UT RM

    Christopher Newport University M3 Newport News VA SE

    George Mason University M2 Fairfax VA SE

    Liberty University M1 Lynchburg VA SE

    Liberty University M2 Lynchburg VA SE

    Liberty University W1 Lynchburg VA SE

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  18. Grand Forks is not a basketball town and NEVER will be. Of course I'd watch UND if they were playing in the tourney one year as an 13th seed. The passion isn't there for basketball, nor do the students support it that much anyways. I now live in Spokane, where Gonzaga has grown to a powerhouse in basketball. The city feeds off of basketball, only because they don't have really anything else to follow. They sell out every game. UND with a couple good years, will never reach this level, because they wont get the support from the community like Gonzaga has. At UND, hockey rules. So forget the Summit, the Summit wants us we have good sports. We'll get in in a year or so, but lets see if we can save the name in the meantime.

    I find this somewhat entertaining as when I attended UND during the 70s, hockey during the Rube Bjorkman years was not as popular as basketball or football. It was hard to get into a basketball but no thought was necessary to see a hockey game, if wanted to go, you just showed up and there was always seats. I believe it has something to do with winning and everyone is attracted to a winner rather than a loser. Of course, the WCHA consisted of Michigan, Michigan State, and Notre Dame during that time period as well as the Colorado schools, Minnesota, and Wisconsin.

  19. It's not the same because those were for-profit monopolies. The NCAA is a voluntary association.

    UND could go independent of the NCAA, if it wanted, too.

    Going back to the argument of the being a union member, its voluntary but you just don't can't work there and earn a living if you don't join the union. Likewise, if UND wasn't a member of the NCAA or similar organization, it couldn't play any games. Right! It's really voluntary :D

  20. Sued for taking three teams?

    Come on.... :silly:

    You need to review the ACC raid on the Big East. There were several legal challenges that had occurred although if my memory was correct, they were settled out-of-court or at the local level. Boston College in particular comes to mind

    As far as the Big Ten Hockey Conference, at this stage, just create it and be done with it as it would stop being a sword over everyone's head. There are positives and negatives to it but the worst situation is not knowing.

  21. You're only saying that because you don't want the SBoHE to be able to tell UND to retire the nickname. Another emotional appeal not based on logic or law.

    The SBoHE has the authority.

    If the court tries to take that away, they are in the wrong and should be punished for it.

    And by the way (not that I want to get into legal philosophy or semantics, etc. but..) what is the precedent/procedure/whatever whereby a court's decision is "thrown out" or decided to be incorrect? Because otherwise it seems like everyone (including politicians) are at the mercy of court rulings! As if we are just supposed to live with whatever the court rules as being the final say, forever?

    Court rulings get over thrown all the time. The current one that I can think of the was the new Supreme Courts' member, Sortameirer (sorry for misspelling) where her ruling on the promotions of firemen (I believe) was denied but the Supreme Court over turned her ruling and said that they should have been promoted. The procedure is very simple, just challenge the ruling to the next higher court if there is a legal standing. It might make it all the way to the Supreme Court whose decision is final, at least for the moment until the next Supreme Court overthrows it (i.e 1890's separate but equal doctrine, 1954 separate is inherently unequal [brown vs Board of Topeka I believe]).

  22. UND can choose not to be members of the NCAA any time it wants.

    That's an invalid argument. A similar argument can be made that you have the right to join a union or not in a union shop. To get the job, you must join the union. To not join the union means not getting a job. Let's see, join the union and have work or stand on principle and not join the union and starve. Really, do you have a choice (technically you don't have to join the union but you must pay the initiation fee plus the weekly membership fees, effectively making you a union member but without voice and you fall under the union contract with the employee).

    The NCAA is a monopoly, pure and simple. If you have any doubts about this, please check up on anti-competition laws. Companies that had a smaller percentage of market control than the NCAA has have been broken up (Standard Oil when it was broke up had a smaller market share for example). The NFL and MLB are other examples that are allowed to be monopolies. For schools, there really is no good alternative and to make that argument is a losing proposition. Sort of like you can go to something other than Microsoft Windows. True, there are alternatives but you cant find the software on these operating systems the same as you can for windows. You are really forced to use windows even if you use another operating system. Likewise, the other organizations (NAIA for example) don't have the breathe of membership that is available to the NCAA membership. Schools don't have any real alternative to the NCAA especially in depth and breathe of opportunities. It is conceivable in the future, a major group could form its own organization (BCS schools) come to mind but there really is no viable alternative today.

  23. One wonders how many national championships UND would have had if Kelly hadn't been at Grand Valley. What Kelly continues to do at Cincinnati is nothing short of amazing (two BCS games in a row).

    For that matter, how many national championships should UND have had? With the Camelia Bowl wins before there was a playoff and certain chokes in the playoffs - like to Livingston St (now W Alabama).

    More than the 2005 team, the team that lost to Livingstone should never have lost. Too much ego cost them the game as they didn't take Livingstone seriously enough. I can still remember reading the comments from Livingstone using the Lou Holtz method of demeaning his own team to get the other team over confident. That team would have beat the 2005 team, IMO.

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