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Maybe, but not the case with this example. The dman was Smaby, caught out on an extra long shift, and being tired, tried a lunging stick check rather than playing the body like he did all year. It may have been his only whiff all season
I cannot argue whether or not he was caught out on an extra long shift because unfortunatly I did not stop watch all of his shifts to see, which in comparison, was an extra long one. Maybe he knew his only hope was to poke at the puck because if he would have crossed to go the direction Gerbe was headed, Gerbe would have used his quickness to cut back the other way leaving Smaby looking more foolish than he did. Who knows though. Not me. You don't have to be 6 foot 200 lbs to hit hard or to be a force in the corners. As a matter of fact, the taller a player is, the easier it may be for him to be knocked off the puck when in any other skating motion other than forwards. For example, think of it as a sports car vs. a SUV. If your driving a sports car at full speed and take a sharp corner, the odds of it rolling are far less than that of an SUV. This is due to its low center of gravity, obviously. If you take that same SUV and take the corner at the same speed the odds of it rolling are tremendous. What I'm trying to get at is, when a player makes a sharp turn or stops on a dime say in the corners to elude a defender or a defender trying to elude a forward they have over 800 pounds of force on a single leg at any given time (It's physics, take my word for it). So if that big tall defender does not have adaquet leg strength to withstand the force of the turn, and the forward pushing on him, the odds he's going to drop are great to very great. Small forward, same situation, low center of gravity less force on the legs, given he also has very strong legs, he's not going to budge. I'm sorry that was kind of confusing but I had so much to say I just threw it all out there.
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Curtis Murphy is only 5'8" and certainly did not weigh 200 lbs in college. Look at the old rosters. Different era? It was much more physical 20 years ago (remember Gino's teams?), and there was no Olympic ice.
Agreed. You don't need to be 6'0 tall and 200 pounds to succeed in division one ranks, even at defense. I dont know many forwards who would rather go up against a smaller, quicker defenseman, which probably has more coordination and balance, than a defenseman that is larger and slower. In a comparative sense, the bigger guy could be more like a pylon. Example, small BC forward Nathan Gerbe forcing towering Sioux d-man to fall unto his backside because maybe of coordination issues. Put a smaller, quicker sioux d-man in that same spot and that may never have happened. Who knows, just a thought.
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The bottom line is that players are drafted and recruited based much more upon size and potential than they are upon ability. That is not intended as any type of a negative towards Andy Dittus or Tyler Jundt who are both excellent players and deserve the recognition that they are receiving. I expect both of them to do very well at the next level. Personally, I think Paul is better than Jordan Willert, but he is not 6'4" 220lbs and have a cannon for a shot. However, Paul is not very big and is noted by scouts and players to have average speed. Scouts and coaches focus more upon size, meaning that it is an uphill battle for anyone who is smaller. I agree with you that Paul Weisgarber is very talented, and given the opportunity, would excel in the USHL or even beyond. The difficulty is getting that opportunity. Yes, there are the Ryan Duncans and David Hoogsteens of the world, but what David Hoogsteen had to go through to get an opportunity emphasizes the problem with being a smaller player in what is becoming a big man's game. David Hoogsteen was not heavily recruited by the USHL, but was the leading scorer in the USHL, averaging almost 2 points per game. That earned him exactly one scholarship offer to UND at a time that, fortunately for David, the Sioux were down and rebuilding with Dean Blais. The only reason is because he was 5'7" and less than 140 lbs. He proved that he could play at every level growing up, but kept having to prove himself because of his size. Unfortunately for players like Paul Weisgarber and others, it is difficult to get an opportunity. This is true in most sports--look at Greg Eslinger getting drafted in the 6th round because he is perceived to be too small and not strong enough for the pro game.
Agreed. Luckily the NHL has changed the style of it's game and it is more favorable to the smaller players than it had been in previous years. That could result in more attention being paid to these smaller skill players than the big bruisers. It was quoted in one book that Americans would rather "train players to be big, strong, imposing players that can clutch, grab, and impede the progress of the oppenent; rather than spend the time to teach him how to stickhandle, skate, and pass." Interesting I thought.
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My brother just called me from GF....I heard the 90's (16 year olds) team ND got beat by the 91 (15 year olds) Team ND in Minot last weakend 3-1. And the 90's had Simonson (GFC), Will Aide (Bismarck), Ryan Mohagen (GPR), Tyler Swanson (WF) Pat Arnason (RR) and Grant Narveson (North). Any reports?
I cannot report sorry, but the teams are called selects until the senior year, when they are then called Team North Dakota. Just so there is no confusion.
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hey guys, i dont know if anyone has heard of nate schmidt, but he played for st cloud cathedral in minnesota as an 8th grader this past season. i havent had a chance to see him play ever, but i hear he really has some talent, and some huge potential. hes a bit young still so he still has some time to grow and mature in his game. the reason im starting this idea is because i recently talked to his brother mike, and learned that UND was his favorite college hockey team, and would love to be a Sioux in the future. ive included some of what is on the western college hockey blog. you can check it out at the following link under the high school hockey game report section.
http://westerncollegehockey.blogspot.com/2...ey_archive.html
but here is the text..
I had heard a lot of good things about Cathedral's 8th grader Nate Schmidt going into this game. Schmidt is a little different than most 8th graders playing high school hockey, like St. Thomas Academy's Jordan Schroeder last year, in that he doesn't look like an 8th grader at all. He's already 5'11" 165 lbs., and you'd never guess he was an 8th grader by looking at him.
Schmidt played on the top line but started the game out very slowly. Cathedral got bottled up in their own end and Schmidt really struggled controlling breakout passes with his backhand along the boards. He wasn't afraid to throw his weight around a little bit, but that's not really his style of play. The word about him must have gotten out because it seemed like he was skating around with a target on his chest. He took three or four huge hits in the first period that seemed to slow him down some. He did get control of the puck along the wing a couple times, but never got the space to really get moving.
The second half of the game was a complete 180 for him though. It started when Cathedral got their first powerplay of the game. Schmidt looked great playing the wing on the powerplay. He was confident with the puck on his stick, and did a great job moving without the puck. He actually scored on the powerplay in the second period when he snuck to the side of the net and jammed home a rebound, but the goal was called back by a controversial man-in-the-crease call.
By the third period, he was unquestionably the most dangerous player on the ice. When he got a little space to really get moving along the wing, he was very tough to stop. He missed one goal when he fired a one timer that just missed the net on the powerplay. He finally tied the game with about 5 minutes to go when he took a drop pass and fired a huge slap shot. He was also on the ice for the overtime winner. He played every other shift late in the game and was the guy Cathedral was really looking for to make something happen.
I think he's got a great future in hockey. He had a tremendous shot and great offensive instincts. I think he'll be ready for the USHL by the time he's a sophomore in high school. While the Huskies have gotten a lot of local talent in recent years, they've lost some of the bigger prospects to Minnesota like Howe and Harrington. Schmidt will probably be another challenge for St. Cloud to see if they can keep one of their top prospects in the local area.
Nate is an excellent hockey player. I had the privilege of playing with him recently at the Shattuck eXposure tournement. It wasn't until our 3rd game that I was told he was only an 8th grader. I would have never guessed. His speed, and puck control were that of a seasoned high school player. At one point in our 2nd game, we had one defensman missing, and two sitting in the penalty box. Nate played D for us. He looked like he played their all his life. He flattend one guy in the corner, and rushed the puck into the zone moments later. The kid has definitly got some skills.
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According to todays Eau Claire Leader Telegram it looks like LaPoint is going to play in Green Bay next season and enter UND in 2007.
And I'm not even gonna reply to the two ridiculously jelous posters commenting on him earlier.
Jelous? I said he was a great player and I wish him the best of luck. Not everyone can have the hype and talent a lot of these kids have and thats something another athelete should ever be jelous of. All a kid can do is work with what he has, and work his tail off and take whatever opportunities that may come his way from that hard work. For anyone who has more opportunities than him because they have more skill, or better potential, good for them. I'm just commenting on what I saw. In my opinion, Derrick LaPoint is getting a lot more hype than he deserved from his play at the Chicago Showcase. That's it, theres no hidden psychological theory that I'm jelous of his success. Good for him, I hope he proves me wrong and goes on to have a great career at UND and in the NHL.
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It baffles me how Paul was drafted later than the other ND boys. Nothing agains them, they are also good players, but i think Weisgarber is better.
Agreed, but players don't always get selected in order of ability. For example, Michael Forney was drafted right before Andy Dittus. Does that mean Forney is a 5th round player? No way. It means teams may have expected him to go to UND next year and do not want to put alot of stock in him and maybe waste a draft pick. There could be similar issues with Weisgarber, however obviously not with him leaving to a D-1 school as of right now. What I'm saying is there could be underlying issues as to why these players were selected where they were. In any case, congratuations to Paul, Andy, and Tyler for being recognized as elite players in the country. Good luck to you.
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Evidentally you didn't notice him. But UW, UND, BU, CSS, ISS, and plenty of NHL scouts have.
Trust me, if LaPoint had to choose between you noticing him and the rest noticing him... well, let's just say he could care less if you noticed him or not.
And no, the Oilers don't have me on edge siouxnami. I just don't have any hockey coverage at all at my home TV station unless it is FSN. I mean, if you could only watch the Gophers and the Wild without having to leave your home, what would you do?
Hockey_9, I'm going to go ahead and agree, despite what those of you who have yet to see him play think. The Sioux could sign a Taiwanese rice farmer, and you guys would still be saying he must be good. Obviously a very good player, the best player at the Chicago Showcase? No way. The best player on Team Wisconsin? I didn't think so. Obviously he could care less if I notice him or not, but I'm not making this a personal issue between him and I. In fact I wish him all the luck in the world, but that still doesnt change the fact that in my mind (and I'm sure anyone elses who watched him play at the Chicago Showcase) he is over rated.
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Stafford will be gone, he was a foresure this year after the season ended. I felt Smaby would be first to go with Stafford the second. I didn't think Zajac would sign, but he is ready to make the jump. Smaby, Stafford and Zajac will be three early departures to the pros which will tie Minnesota for most underclassmen departures. Minnesota lost Potulny, Irmen and Chucko.
Where did Chucko go?
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Specifics, how did you do in the showcase?
We took 2nd. The best a North Dakota team has ever done, and we were within one goal of wining the whole thing. We did very well. Any accomplishment I had is irrelevent because the only thing that matters is the team was a success. And any success I had was a direct result of the hardwork of the team. Thanks Team ND.
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Just a quick note of facts concerning this years team. Team North Dakota made history serveral different ways. 1st it was the highest finish ever only falling in sudden death overtime, 2nd forward Andy Dittus recieved the "Best Forward of the Tournament" award. I think no other participant of TND has ever achieved.
There is so much nonesense talk about east being better that west that I think this year was a good testiment that there are skill players on both sides of the state and North Dakota has and is continuing to make its mark in the national hockey ranks as a state that can produce some very talented players.
TND deserves all the kudos it can get.
One other quick note, Kudos to the TND coaching staff. They changed the team from playing as individuals into a team that was unified and dominating.
Job well done Coaches
I certainly agree that great players come from both ends of the state but, the East is a stronger conference than the West. Just look at how many championships the West has won... Andy Dittus is a very, very good foward. He definitly deserved that award. He absolutly undressed UND recruit Derek LaPointe in the teams first of two meetings.
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Wow who stepped on your balls? I only meant to start a conversation and see how people feel this team would have done against teams that didnt have any players on the team. Also, I can say this because the team lost to the Select 88/89 team. I have said before how happy I am for the team and I'll say it agian great going. Please ask yourself how many players in North dakota have a Scholarship to a D1 program like UND.
Because teams never lose to teams of lesser value... Holy Cross? It's hockey it happens. Team ND's consistent play throught the tournement proved they were the real deal.
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haha are you comparing this team to the 1980 olympic team? Just for conversation sake I am wondering how people think this team would have done agianst teams like Roseuo, Moorhead or South? I'm sure someone could give the lines for south last year and we could try compare line by line. Moorhead and roseuo maybe alittle tough to come up with.
Since you feel compelled to minimize the accomplishments of Team North Dakota, perhaps you should ask yourself how many players South had that have a scholarship to a DI program like UND. Team ND beat Team Wisconsin twice, and Team Wisconsin had Derrick LaPoint, a heavily recruited defenseman who was recently signed by UND. There were many players on Team Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, New Jersey, etc. that were of comparable ability. Team Minnesota had Brian McMillan, one of the top players from Roseau. Please stop these petty attempts to minimize Team ND's accomplishments and give them the credit they deserve.
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could one of the players/parents post the lines if you have them?
Thanks Skateshatrick; You know when people from your own state doubt you it gives you that much more determination.
Marc Harrie-Jon Greicar-Andy Dittus
Nick Klenow- Paul Campbell- Marc Mihulka
David Hovet-Ross Monson- Brad Benke
Steven Burdick-Brandon Schmitt- Peter Jerome
Andy Peterson-Tyler Jundt
Tim Gregoire (sp?)- Lane Smith
Greg Slominski- Alex Olson
Jake Delisle
I'm not sure if this guy knew much of anything about hockey but he had to pick a team for some big tournement in 1980 and he said something like "I'm not looking for the best players, I'm looking for the right ones." I think his name was something like Herb Brooks.
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Well I guess that's nice to hear. Nice job guys. Looks like they set a new standard for North Dakota high school hockey. These guys probably would have won if weisgarber and galt and tom campbell and willert were on the team. But they did good with what they had.
Probably would have won? The game could have gone either way, and these guys proved they didn't need any of those other guys. I'm not sure but I think you are the same person who was taking shots at how poorly you thought this team would do and even after they proved everyone wrong, you can't flat out say you were wrong. This might have not been the most skilled team ND has sent to the showcase, but they proved they were the best TEAM ND has ever sent.
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I thought I'd post something I have knowledge on, or at least a topic I know something about. I know that Tyrel McBain from waaaaay west has looked into a transfer to one of the Fargo Schools(his grandparents live there). He is not unsatisfied with the coaching he is currently getting, but there are coaching changes taking place in Hazen that will effect the program. Also, Hazen graduates ten seniors off of this years team and is experiencing a problem in numbers that will greatly reduce his chances of success next year. He is a kid that has made the committments to develop himself in an attempt to be the best hockey player he can be and is not merely jumping ship to head to a team that may win state. Rather, he is attempting to better his opportunities to play hockey at a higher level. If the move happens, I think those of you in Fargo will enjoy watching him play for one of your Varsity teams.
That's a whole lot of talk. Well he's got about 3 months to make that decision. In my opinion... High School should be fun and you should enjoy all the time you have with your friends. Some kids are letting their heads get bigger than hot air balloons. Transferring from one school to the next because they believe they are going to be the next big thing, or the school they are at is not good enough for them. I have heard of kids transferring more than one time! That's ridiculous. Individual talent relies largely on that off the work ethic of the individual during OFF ICE workouts. I just don't see the logic in moving 200 miles to work out in a different gym unless you truely are a special talent and have something very significant to gain by having a new coach. Maybe these kids want to learn better defensive zone coverage, I'm not sure.
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I love the fact that specifics goes out of his way to insult Prpich in reference to Irman.
The fact of the matter is, Prpich's role on the Sioux was no where near the same as Irman's role on the Gophers. Irman was out there to create offense and play a good two way game as a forward. He was a leader on the ice. Ok, there's one thing they have in common.
Prpich's role was to be a gritty defensive forward. Sure, he'd take offensive opportunities whenever they came, but he didn't have that as his top priority like Irman's role. You want a player that more than likely fits Prpich's role? You'd have to look on Minnesota's third line. Maybe a Gino Guyer or a Kris Chucko (though Chucko has noticeably more offensive potential). Prpich is an INSTIGATOR and a GRINDER. A Checker and a bruiser. I don't see ANY of that in Irman's game. PERIOD.
Please. Specifics, if you are going to go out of your way to insult us on our own board, try to find a player on the Gophers that at least has a REMOTELY SIMILAR PLAYING STYLE to the Sioux player you are insulting.
His name is spelled Irmen, with an E thanks. Hate to bring it up but don't you think the jersey pop was instigating? Or maybe when he flattened Smaby in the corner? Danny enjoys the grind just as much as anyone else. Fortunatly Danny knows how to stickhandle, pass, and score too. He broke his finger blocking a shot early in the season, that's probably not something a finesse player like Kessel or Toews may make. The only reason I used Prpich in my statement because the statement was made by someone with a screen name with Prpich in it. My apologies for not comparing him to Zajac.
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I am glad Irmen is gone nobody liked him anyway
The only reason you didn't like him because he played the same gritty game Prpich did. Except Danny did it with skill.
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That would be getting into the Leinweber range....somebody who never came close to playing up to his talent because of his inability to get stronger and put on weight.
Some people have a very difficult time adding weight, muscle mass. I'm sure Hakstol would put him on a special program. I've heard some football players set their alarms for like 4 in the morning and eat a large meal. I'm not sure if this would be wise for Marto but its an option. It is possible that a coach or trainer has not properly given him the attention he needs in gaining weight. Five smaller meals a day beats 3 bigger meals, and eat past the point of comfort. Just my thoughts..
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The only number that matters from my prospective is 160 pounds. I hope that he found the Gopher Juice and will show up at 175, and be 185 by 2007. The WCHA is not kind to 160 pound freshman D-men.
If he came in at 160, he'd sweat of some of that weight during the season, and you'd be looking at a 150-155 lb d-man. Yikes.
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I don't think any of us said they choked and underachieved just because they didn't win a National Title. They choked and underachieved because they lost to St. Cloud, Wisconsin(that one isn't bad at all considering they are national champions), and then HOLY CROSS! 3 games in a row at the end of the year is choking. If you are a 2 team against a 15 team, and you lose, you choked. I don't know how else you can put it. As far as in the Frozen Four, I don't think it's possible to choke. Every team there is good and it's usually a toss-up.
The Gophers didn't show up to play, so in that sense they choked. The Sioux didn't exactly show up to play either (3-0 in the first), so in that sense they choked aswell.
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Except for Hakstol, Berry, Eades, the Sioux players, and most of us diehard fans, you're right, he should have been relieved.
Newsflash, bucko, neither goaltender played well. Schneider nearly gave the game away in the third period according to reports.. I mean, yeah, Parise gave up 6 goals, but Schneider gave up 5 including 2 short handed goals.
Seriously, Parise as an NHL netminder is something I don't know if he'll ever do, but saying that he isn't wrthy of being allowed to play the entire game despite unfortunate circumstances is just plain stupid.
Yeah, we lost. Yeah, it sucked. No, it wasn't Jordy's fault. Plain. Simple. Period. The End.
Schneider played outstanding...
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No soft goals?? I know the defense left him out to dry a couple of times but dont tell me he didnt let in some soft ones... The third and fourth goals in particular.. that third goal was a luck goal but there is no way he shouldnt be covering the pipe and the fourth five hole goal was brutal.. When Parise is on his game he is a high quality tender but tonight he was brutal. I am not taking anything away from him but I am just saying to those who think he is a flight risk is just plain unreasonable. And yes it is a risk putting Lamoureux in but Parise still did let in 3 goals after the first. When Parise is on his game he is unbelievable such as the sconi game but tonight he reminded me of the early gopher series.
I was watching the game with a goalie friend of mine and he thought Parise let in one soft goal. You can't blame a loss on the goalie, it's just not fair. The defense could have prevented that soft goal anyway but not coughing the puck up.
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It would seem pretty strange after you claim that "it's hard to tell the "real story" when you are not at the games and cannot get the scores correctly." And as I stated, I'm not trying to get you flustered and start doing anything harsh, all I was trying to do was see where your perspective comes from. It's pretty obvious you have strong ties with one team, I was just guessing Team ND becuase you felt they deserved to win. By having an association with either team gives you bias, and I was just wanting to know in an attempt to read through you bias for a more accurate story. I happen to know a few of the Grand Forks kids on the 88/89 team, or have been in the passed at least, and they gave me a very different story on how things went, so I had cause for my questions. Also, it's odd that you say "they will look foolish claiming opinions they hold to be facts, when in all reality they are not facts", as I was requesting more information on something I'd heard, quite possibly wrong, but I wanted clarification. I didn't ask to be indirectly called foolish, nor did I state anything as fact. As for my opinion, I'd say neither team has a real abundance of skill, the Team ND team had great potential if more seniors had gone out, and it could be a tough road in Chicago, but I wish them luck.
No one was talking to you AHenryFan08. Your not being spoken to in this case so you don't need to defend yourself. Unless you and livestoplayhockey are the same person.
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With statements like that it seems as though one would come to the conclusion that Tyler Klein believes that he is a far superior player to those around him, and has an arrogance about himself. That is hardly the truth and statements like that are uncalled for. Statements like that are made by people/players who believe that in some sense are better than, or feel they have the power over a person to make sarcastic statements about the abilities you believe that they do not have. When all is said and done I'm sure Tyler can't wait to prove you wrong.