oldSioux
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13 minutes ago, CMSioux said:
su claiming sell-out - hoping to see heads explode and Fargo media meltdown when they discover that Montana State fans travel and a sea of blue and gold fans is the reason for the sell-out.
This^ I am optimistic about this MSU team as well, I would argue they are a different beast then when we saw them last. Hoping for a great game and maybe some parody for the National Championship. MSU fans haven't seen a Semi-final game since 1984. Expect them to be energetic.
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anyone else patiently waiting for the Weber vs UM game? I am curious...
my prediction UM. Who do i want? WSU.
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7 minutes ago, NDRA said:
I think he's trying to say that he doubts Maag would have that 4.6 had he been timed officially at the NFL combine like Sheppard did.
Could be quicker
, joking. I see what he is saying.
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3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:
You can’t say one guy ran a 4.6 and the other ran a 4.66 and be taken seriously. On top of that, everyone knows that HS athlete measurements are notoriously inflated to increase their recruitability.
Alright I almost did not respond but I had to, you're really going to discredit me for bringing in quantitative values into production/ tangibles of WR's and your main argument on a few threads here were based around how our WRs are too white and slow that's all you said, no numbers to support it no nothing. Now NDSU has had these amazing deep threat WRs that has been a major contributor to their success, we also found to be false, now you wanna say 40 times cant be trusted and that's some well known fact. You can't make this stuff up... give it a break man. Have you watched an NDSU game lately? Do you want to know why some games stay close until the 4th? Physicality and dominating lines. They stick to a script. If you'd like an air it out team and pass first team go cheer for WAZZU.
1. We're on the same team here and 2. are you really that upset we don't need help at the WR position next year? Would you rather that be another off season fire to put out? Are you ashamed you have parody with both tall and short White WRs faster than an NFL player?
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Does anyone know the depth of our lines? I know the D line is younger, but what about the OL? Do we have recruits coming in that can make an immediate impact?
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11 minutes ago, BIGSIOUX said:
This is what i was getting at. Running matters, but not as much as you think.
Just because that was the prevailing mentality, doesn't mean it was correct.
That's true, I might have expressed a run or die mentality but that wasn't my goal. I think some things to look at too is the lack of TE incorporation in the offense now a days (which i don't like to see). I think offenses are adjusting to a different style of play. But the point I was trying to convey is if you are able to keep a defense honest with respecting your run game, you won't always see them playing in nickle coverage and can take shots from time to time and be effective. avg yards per att: UND 4.2 NDSU 6.5 MSU 5.8 JMU 5.3.
Another example of how important the run game is: SAC vs AP... when SAC lost their all big sky RB early. Look how everything else fell apart for the offense, how AP stayed in passing defense and was able to get to Kevin Thompson through various blitzes not worrying about the run.
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2 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
Right, you are aware that you can’t really compare 40 times unless they’re using the same running surface and same method of measurement right? That’s why the combine is the true test for that.
I am not aware of that at all. If that was the case then why are combines so highly attended and athletes are looked at from a quantitative perspective? This is a dead end at this point, but Sheppard ran a 4.66 (officially) with NFL caliber training and as a senior fresh off a national championship. From some articles I read into, while sheppard was decent in the hands game he was ripped a bit for his tangibles and numbers he posted. Maag ran a 4.6 as a senior in high school. Would love to see his numbers now. Sheppard had Wentz throwing to him while we had Kett. From a tangibles side, Maag gets the edge. From benefiting from a system and QB ability, sure Sheppard looks appealing. Give Maag a few years, and I wouldn't be surprised if Scouts are calling Bubba.
Case and point, establish a meaningful run game and give the QB time to toss it up (with a better OL) and let Maag, and boltmann go get it. WR are not the issue we face this off-season.
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26 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
Where are you getting your numbers? Also Sheppard was a very good route runner, Brock isn’t there yet.
Just quick search from time to time.. everything is on the internet. If you compare their sophomore seasons (Sheppard's red shirt fresh). Him and Maag are very similar.
From the mold you describe and the players you used in examples, our WR stack up very well against that. But again, I don't disagree a better passing attack helps, but I don't agree with the belief that our WR's are at fault for that. Also, look at who was passing to Sheppard and who was passing to Maag and Boltmann.
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24 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
Sheppard was after that.
If you want to compare deep threat ability based on these fast and skilled tangibles: Sheppard ran a 4.61 and is 5'11. Brock (faster, taller, and bigger at 6'1 190) ran a 4.6. Maag (taller, bigger, and faster as well) ran a 4.6.
My point in all this is I think we have some awesome weapons at the Slot/ WR position. So is our concern with the deep ball really about the players we have? Or how we go about it? Throw Skonka in the flat or run with him and this team call ball.
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Just now, geaux_sioux said:
Zach Vraa was for their early great teams before injuries slowed him. Sheppard was after that. On top of that, you’re going to really gloss over the fact that I clearly stated a deep threat can open up the run game second only to a good OL? Are you really that incapable of a true argument? This isn’t a novel concept, it’s well established.
Hey man, I'm not even trying to argue the only reason I really posted in the first place was because you kept talking about how our WR's were "too white and slow" which for one, just stop with the whole white thing man if a kid can ball they can ball. Secondly, Maag ran a 4.6 at a combine and hes like 6'4" that's FAST for his size and SEC speed is like 4.5... Also what do you expect from the team next year. Also, NDSU is not known for their "deep threats" at all and all they do is WIN.
I'll throw a disclaimer out there, I really have no quarrels, just want to talk football and question some ideas is all. cheers.
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56 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:
It was kind of crazy how all of the sudden we had downfield threats when Zimmerman was throwing the ball.....
UND has deep ball guys, MAAG is FAST, Brock is FAST, and they offer good parody in style. I agree some accuracy and time would open the offense up. But other than leach and WAZZU's Air it out offense, I cant think of a team that doesn't try establishing the run to win games.
Want to win? Run the ball successfully, keep third downs short on offense, win the T.O.P and turn over battle.
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Does anyone know if NDSU has had a "true deep threat" or "blow off the top" WR in their last 8 years of dominance and the coaches only called house plays on every call to try and score each down?
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7 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
We didn’t have a true deep threat. Having one of those opens up a whole world of possibilities for an offense.
I would agree that a teams ability to air it out from time to time is effective, but the reality is you need to establish the run to throw the ball. UND was unable to establish a run game to any degree. I think we have threats who can go get the ball but you need a well thrown ball to give them a chance and that wasn't a product we were able to produce much at all because of what we lack in multiple areas across the line and run game. If you want to be successful and make the playoffs don't worry about the pass game, play off teams are built around size and running the ball. (NDSU, Weber, MSU, Austin Peay (to an extent)). Montana does have a good pass game but they are able to establish the run and have a punishing defense. Don't know too much about what makes JMU click but ill tell ya what, they have a killer line and rushed for 3300 yards or something, comparatively we ran for 1400 and passed for 3100. Apples and Oranges maybe, but just my two cents... or maybe a dollar at this rate.
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On 12/10/2019 at 3:22 PM, geaux_sioux said:
My point with the WRs struggling to separate against better secondaries was about the tall white boys needing teammates with different body types and skills sets to compliment what they do best. A Greg Hardin Type.
Can we stop with the fact that they are white? I mean you've mentioned it multiple times in this forum. Does that really appear to be the issue? Cuz IMO, most teams struggled with them in space and these "tall white boys" were very sure handed and elusive against secondaries all season. Not to mention extremely difficult to handle in the red zone during 1 on 1 jump balls. Tough to create separation and get open when you're constantly playing against nickle defenses because nobody fears our offensive line and run game. Also, you mean to tell me Boltman in the slot doesn't offer a complimentary skill set to our taller outside WR's? I would argue he's explosive.
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10 minutes ago, rochsioux said:
Per Schloss, it would appear that the non conference games for next season are:
Home:
Manitoba (exh.)
Bemidji State
Canisius
Alabama Huntsville
Michigan Tech (1 game)
Road:
Minnesota
Mankato State
USNTDP under 18 (exh.)
The home schedule looks less than inspiring. Not sure what the thought process is in scheduling both Canisius and Huntsville. They’re both usually bottom feeders in the pairwise so beating them is of no help while a loss is a killer (as we have seen this year). On top of that there is just no appeal to go see those teams play. I would much rather see them play almost any big ten or hockey east team.
Agreed, not sure I like paying $40+ or so to see our boys take on teams like ala hunt, Can, and tech. Away games will be great though. Minn and kato. I think the team would like to play teams like Ohio state, Michigan... maybe even BU or BC! Fans would much rather pay to see those teams... IMO.
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45 minutes ago, Irish said:
I guess at this point we are all speculating. Funny - During Berry's Championship run I thought "at last - a guy who is willing to unleash Hak's talent and let them play". Now, a few years after the Title I am stunned at how far we have fallen - especially when I thought success would lead to more talent wanting to come here. Our team is just tough to watch. I just can't figure out how it happened so fast. Does Berry have a good handle on this and a plan to improve - we don't know and get little to no insight from the program or sportscasters. This leads to much negative speculation. On the positive side we do have a great defense and goalie and a loaded group coming in - on the negative side none of the guys we have brought in to score have been doing much at all. To be honest, I thought with all of the coaching experience we have things would be much better by now. It it talent? system? bad luck? Are we really close or regressing as a program? I guess we need to hope and pray that Berry has the ability to take a long hard look at things and make the needed changes. This program can't afford to slide any more.
We cant afford to slide at all... if we are being brutally honest, college's across the country (Western Michigan) and more, are starting to invest more in their hockey programs. Better gear, facilities, ETC. We sell facilities, a chance at a ring, and NHL-like experiences. What happens when we lose "ring chasing" and others get more high-tech facilities. OK, yeah its extreme but its a potential reality. A couple bad seasons and a couple bad classes and now everyone is playing at the U of M.. gross.
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1 hour ago, Irish said:
If the power play falls on Shaw then why is he still here - and more importantly, will he be here again next year? This has the makings of a Rudy situation all over again. You don't have to look further back than last game to see how much our PP costs us. Also, you can switch lines, but if your offense relies on chipping it in it is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic (no, I don't equate our program with the Titanic, just using because it is an interesting metaphor). The big question is can Berry make the necessary adjustments? At this point no one knows.
Ha. fair enough, guess I looked at the line adjustments as Berry trying to find a "winning formula". Our offensive strategy is one of cat and mouse and is not efficient... that much is frustrating to watch. As for Shaw, his PP mind, is not the greatest. But defensively, I think its fair to say hes done a pretty good job. whether that is the amount of talent we boast there or hes doing something right... maybe bring in a PP guy only? Do we have that money to spend? Probably..
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On 2/19/2019 at 11:40 AM, franchise said:
Surprising, given that wins vs CC and UNO aren't much help.
Agreed, even less of a help if we don't sweep. We need to win the NCHC tourney. Or win out from here.
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1 hour ago, Irish said:
This may be true, but we don't have to look any farther than Football Bubba to see an example of a UND coach who had crappy special teams and a flawed offensive philosophy who stubbornly refused to make any changes for far too long and was allowed to stand pat until things were really in the toilet. There is a huge difference between coaches feeling some pressure to do well and having the self-awareness to honestly evaluate what is going on in the program and then make the necessary changes. Some very good sports minds are hampered by a stubborn refusal to change even in the face of strong evidence. I hope Hockey Bubs is not one of them, but there is mounting evidence that he is (see power play for an example).
Im not sure how much of the power play falls on Bubs... is that more Shaw? I think Bubs has divided out his coaching duties pretty well with his staff. IMO that's a great culture. if you look at most college power plays, they revolve around a STAR, I.e. Boeser and his bolstering one timers a couple years back. As for a game plan Bubs has always been known to switch things up with his lines etc..This team will be so competitive next year with these last two classes getting another year older.. they just have to STAY! look at our national championship team (besides the NHL talent.. I know) but they had a lot of older leadership.
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1 minute ago, franchise said:
Of course, there's always the break here or there for everyone, but it's more newsworthy when it's such a heavily favored series...like the Michigan State series a yr or 2 ago
Ugh, please don't talk about that series... lol I LOVE my selective memory.
seriously though these players can skate with the best. its all about consistency, can they bring the heat for a weekend? beat a Denver and western Michigan? maybe we make the FF finals and lose a close one and still get in at 13.. ? still holding on to the season.
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5 minutes ago, franchise said:
We are inevitably headed for the tweet from Brad stating that UND would have been in, if they had split with the Griffs
Ha. no kidding.. but isn't that the case for most of the teams in the bubble? If we had split, swept, won in OT.. but we didn't. Not a huge fan of these articles talking about the "what ifs". so many other opportunities, CLEARLY getting swept by the griffs was not normal, but tough to blame it all on one weekend.
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Is it possible to make the playoffs still? I.e win out? Home stand vs UMD sweep... i've seen stranger things.. That has gotta be worth something. Can we afford another loss and still make it (loss to UMD vs CC or OMA)? Any stat GURU feel free.
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2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:
No, no. Not going anywhere. Stepping back to take a look at what's I've been saying. Just going to do my best to not belittle anyone's opinion, if I have been.
Winning cures all ills. I'm very optimistic about next season, in general.
Agreed, winning cures almost all ailments a fan may have. I think the common thing I see scaring myself the most on this forum is an increase in "next year". IMO. I'm also a vikings fan...
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Hi all- new to the thread... been following for awhile and thought well, what better time than to join now, eh?
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What's Needed At The Alerus?
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Agreed, I think it would look sharp