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Hi, looking for 3 tickets together (willing to buy 4 together) for either night against CC. Lower or upper bowl is fine. Text 218-791-5738 if you have seats to sell. I'm in Grand Forks.
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I think it's pretty cheap that the Big Sky waits until now to spring this on us. They could have easily sent a letter outlining their misgivings while the house and senate were debating the issue...oh well.
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[and if we play the Fighting Irish on Saturday
IRISH ARE PEOPLE ....NOT MASCOTS
+1...Awesome sign idea!
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Perhaps we see for sale signs in his yard again lol? Member a hearald artice back when people were throwing dog !@#$ and for sale signs in his front yard.
Am I missing something? Why is this funny?
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Fighting Sioux Checklist
Macnaughton CHeck
Broadmoor Check
NCAA Champ. _____
I like this...you could also add the following:
Macnaughton Check
Broadmoor Check
Hobey Check
Coach of the Year Check
Lucia Contract Renewel Check
NCAA Champ _____
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Hey I still have a chance for a 1st place tie!
In a completely irrelevant story, we finally flipped the Yale comparison... :-)
You and I can still tie for 1st place...we have the exact same brackets...we both got screwed with that UNO-Michigan overtime call.
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Ha, so the taxpayers who pay the tuition and fees to go to the universities they own don't matter?
And are we not federal taxpayers too?
No need to get huffy with me. It's pretty clear you don't really understand the issue at hand. There are none so blind as those who will not see, and all that.
So here are the cliff notes:
1. You show up out of nowhere and have attempted to wrap your issue (privatize North Dakota colleges) into the intense dislike of the state board (which on these boards is mostly driven by their mishandling of the nickname).
2. You continually link to your blog over and over.
3. You lead everyone to believe that North Dakota taxpayers are funding $1.2 billion for higher education.
4. I ask you to source it, you link to your blog which quotes a politician.
5. I ask for a better source, you give me the governor's budget.
6. I read it and find that the actual North Dakota taxpayers are funding about half of the $1.2 billion.
7. You then tell me it's complicated, but give me another link which shows the budget to be $1.1 billion, of which only 29% is supported by North Dakota taxes.
8. You claim that tuition, fees and room/board are a form of taxation (I guess that's what you are saying) and should be included in the $1.2 billion figure.
9. You get mad when I point out you sure post your link back to your blog a lot.
I certainly could be wrong, but my guess is your readers will quickly realize that the "numbers" you like to cite are a little too "complicated" for their tastes.
By the way, I like the nickname, am conservative, and I hope the legislature ends up trumping the state board. As a reader of many other blogs, it's fair to say I won't be adding yours. Don't fret, as you have pointed out, it's a little too advanced for me...you should rely on more sophisticated readers.
Now, I'm going to go watch the Sioux kick some Pioneer ass!
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If you want to go down another dark alley, consider that roughly 41% of our state's budget is federal money. How do you think that's going to shake out as our bankrupt federal government is forced to make cuts?
100% completely agree with you here!
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Now, to be fair, some of this funding is from non-taxpayer sources. But also note that the total doesn't include hundreds of millions in capital projects that are coming out of the taxpayer's pocket.
You mean, like over 70% funded by non-taxpayer sources?
I don't have a blog that I can link to every other post plus my signature line, but on page 2 of the link you provide: "Approximately 29 percent of operations are supported by the state general fund. The remainder of the operations of the University System are self-supporting through tuition and fees, room and board charges paid by students, and private and federal research grant and contract collections."
Some may have been viewing your major argument as the $1.2 billion was out of the tax-payers pocket. I'm sure you weren't trying to do that, right?
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Ha, so things like graduation rates don't matter? How about this: Forbes ranked both UND and NDSU, these supposed world-class universities, below 500 nationally.
But we never hear about these things, do we? We always hear about new buildings being built and record-breaking attendance.
By the way, my personal observations don't matter (and neither do yours) because they are mere anecdotes and not at all useful in a sound analysis based on facts.
Look, I know you really like your own blog, but maybe you should use something else to source your arguments. And by the way? Where does US News and World Reports rank our colleges? They have been at it much, much longer than Forbes.
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Here's a copy of Governor Dalrymple's 2011 - 2013 budget recommendations:
http://www.nd.gov/fiscal/docs/budget/executivebudgetsummary2011-13.pdf
You can find funding from the previous biennium, combined with the Governor's recommendations (with the legislature is acting on now) for the various aspects of higher ed in the state addressed there. That's where the $1.2 billion figure is from, and it's entirely accurate.
Well, just a quick look at the budget, I see on page 42 the following: "The executive recommendation includes a $656.8 million state-funded higher education system budget for the 2011-13 biennium." If we really spent $1.2 billion last year on Higher Education, is the Governor proposing a $600 million cut?
On a side note, I see that the DPI (K-12) recommendation is for $919 million (page 41).
I also see on Page 40 that Higher Education constitutes 19.7% of the overall budget, in third place to Health and Human Services and Elementary and Secondary Education (29.3% and 28.7%, respectively).
I don't see the $1.2 billion that you and the good Representative speak of, but I am not an accountant and could be missing something.
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Absolutely. As Rep. Mark Dosch (who sits on the Education and Environment Appropriations Committee) wrote in the Bismarck Tribune earlier this week:
This is total higher education appropriations. It gets a little confusing, because often when they talk about the higher education budget it's just the university system budget which doesn't always include university-specific appropriations.
Hmmm...You may be right, but I'm going to have to look at this more closely. No offense, but the blog is written by you, and the Representative was responding to someone or something. Politicians like to use numbers to support their positions.
I guess when the Governor signs the budget, there should be a public copy of that...should be able to take a better look.
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I'm not necessarily married to merging the two bodies, though I think it would be a good idea. I'd settle for simply allowing the Governor to fire SBHE memebers when he seems it necessary.
That's why we elect these people. To make decisionsike that. And I say that as someone who is less than enamored with Dalrymple.
This could be a much better solution than disbanding the whole structure...get rid of the bad apples, not the orchard.
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The existing structure of the sbhe was put in place because of an our of control governor. At the time they saw it as a solution to protect the university from politics. What we've learned since is that the solution isn't to make higher ed isolated from the will of the people. The solution is to not elect crazy governors.
We made a huge mistake in 1930 and we should fix it now. We are a state with just 670000 people and a university system that costs well over $1 billion. It makes no sense.
You may be right, and I may be ignorant, but can you source your $1 billion price tag?
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Not sure how you're seeing the merging of two existing departments as an expansion of government. That's a silly argument. It's a streamlining, and much needed.
Sure sounds good on paper...must be a good idea then;)
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Well, what would happen is the new Department of Education would become larger to accommodate the increased mission (read: more bureaucracy) and both the Senate and House would undoubtedly form a committee (each) to handle the higher education issues. The governor would ultimately probably have to have an Education Secretary (or equivalent -- no longer just a K-12 superintendent). At the end of the day, I would wager there would be many more people on the government side deciding the fates of colleges in North Dakota. To me, that's the test of whether government will become bigger or smaller.
Also, no one wants to address that this was tried once before and was a dismal failure...everyone in the state was mad.
By the way, here's the structure now: ND DPI Org Chart
I think the amount of new government workers would be vastly greater than what we have now.
Just my two cents.
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No. Big government equals more government. Abolishing the SBoHE would mean less government i.e. smaller government.
Well, what would happen is the new Department of Education would become larger to accommodate the increased mission (read: more bureaucracy) and both the Senate and House would undoubtedly form a committee (each) to handle the higher education issues. The governor would ultimately probably have to have an Education Secretary (or equivalent -- no longer just a K-12 superintendent). At the end of the day, I would wager there would be many more people on the government side deciding the fates of colleges in North Dakota. To me, that's the test of whether government will become bigger or smaller.
Also, no one wants to address that this was tried once before and was a dismal failure...everyone in the state was mad.
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Who said all state institutions should be privatized?
Not stated by you, but several times in this thread, this idea was brought up.
We have a poor graduation rate. Maybe other places are worse but that doesn't make us good.Look, college isn't for everybody. Based on national averages, North Dakota has a comparable graduation rate. To think that everyone who starts out in college here in North Dakota should end up with a degree is a little like the entitlement argument you brought up earlier, in my opinion. I mean, NDSU and UND could have a 90%+ rate if that's what is wanted...the colleges would just loosen grade standards and let everyone graduate. However, dissolving the state board could help increase the graduation rate, so if that is the goal, then I would agree.
How is eliminating a layer of government mean we want bigger government.The state board, no matter how flawed, is a smaller version of government. Right now, they point the colleges in the strategic direction they think is important. The bill would return strategic control over to a much larger body of government...the legislature.
We've got a good person or two on the board and they vote along with the turkey's. The system is broke.Maybe, but turning it back over to the legislature has been tried before and it failed miserably. Guaranteed if this happens the logo/nickname issue would become the least of our problems. Again, I understand your points, and I think it comes down to you think the system is broke and I think the people making the decisions are doing a poor job. As you stated, reasonable people can disagree on the solution.
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...Their faculty is full of unqualified (in the eyes of DPI, which defines highly qualified at the K-12 level) teachers...
I know the majority of the faculty voted against the state legislation (actually, only the aviation department faculty either abstained or voted against), but unqualified?
I'm as mad as the next guy over this logo issue, but I think this is getting out of control quickly. We're starting to utilize "mob mentality." In one short discussion thread we've gone from saying the SBOE President should resign, to the State Board of Higher Education should be disbanded, to all state institutions should be privatized, to North Dakota college students don't graduate (blatantly false compared to national averages), to the faculty at North Dakota's colleges are unqualified. All over one issue?
And again, some people think the system is broke and want the state legislature to take over (they want bigger government to take over and solve the problem). Personally, I think the people at the Board are broke, not the system. But no matter where you stand on this issue, let's not lose our heads.
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And things are far worse now. The entire system is drifting into an entitlement for the administrators and faculty leaving the students behind.
And your point comparing this to dissolving the US constitution to dissolving the BOHE is just plain wrong. The difference is that in the case of he US Constitution the people have a chance to correct the mistakes of the congress. In fact last fall the voters completely changed over the House and made big inroads to the Senate. Now while I was happy about that change, not everyone here will be but at least everyone will admit that it's possible to change the direction of the government.
Not so sure about the entitlement concept, at least with the employees. Faculty/staff salaries/benefits in ND are still way below the national average and below their private sector counterparts (unlike states like Wisconsin and Indiana). I'm okay with that, but I don't know if I would equate the system with an entitlement (like medicaid, social security, etc.). Also, over the last several surveys, I believe I read that the students were either satisfied or very satisfied with their state institutions in North Dakota (but I may be wrong on that).
The last point I would leave you with is the following question: Did you feel the same way about the system before the whole nickname fiasco? I think if the answer to this question is "no," then I would offer that this is mostly being fueled by your rightful anger over how this logo issued was handled.
No matter what though, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
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How do you think that the current system has removed politics from the equation. The BOHE is highly political, the only difference is that their politics are operating without the countervailing pressure of what the public wants.
I think we are far worse the way things are now. The colleges don't seem to have the students on their list of priorities. Despite massive increases in public support and tuition the schools are comparing themselves to starving children.
Okay then, there you have it...politics will always be involved so let's turn everything over to the legislature because they voted the way we all wanted on this one issue. I'm telling you all, as ticked off as we all are, dismantling the structure because we don't like the people who are currently on the SBOE could lead to long-term dire consequences.
I really dislike our US Congress right now, they have overspent and have made horrible decisions in recent years. Should we dissolve the US constitution and turn everything over to the President because we don't like their decisions? Or should we just get the right people in Congress?
Likewise, let's look at replacing and recalling the folks on the Board rather than torching the whole system...I really think we are all forgetting how things used to be when the legislature controlled the SBOE...was not pretty!
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May I ask why? And how will this better our institutions of higher learning?
I know everyone is ticked off at the SBOE over the logo issue (I know I am), but are we all really willing to shell the whole system over this one issue? Most states have learned that mixing politics between state schools and the governor or legislation is a bad practice.
Here's one example: say both UND and NDSU wanted to create a new program covering the same degree (let's say a veterinary program). Everyone would agree there would only have to be one program in the state (to save money), but who gets it? The institution that has the most resources and expertise to pull it off? Or, the institution that happens to have the most alumni in the current state legislature?
Again, maybe the SBOE President should resign, maybe there needs to be more oversight and accountability...no argument here. But please read the bill! In effect, the day-to-day operations of the colleges and universities in this state would be turned over to a very political and very bureaucratic process. Some years would be great for the Sioux, some years would be horrible. In fact, years ago, the system was setup this way and it really didn't work.
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Okay everyone...calm down. No matter where you stand on the issues, no reason to wrap some Nazi hatred in the mix.
It was wrong to attribute that quote to Englestad.
It was equally wrong to compare Nazi's with the NCAA. Let's not forget, the Nazi's killed at least 6 million Jews (at least). If you have lost a relative to the Holocost I think you wouldn't appreciate the comparison.
And by the way, I'm pro Sioux nickname, but no way would I compare anyone who disagrees with me to brutal mass murderers.
This thread needs to go poof, imo.
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I am still freaking out about Trupper...please let him not be hurt...please...
He looked good to me on his last shift and seemed to be skating well.
Pod style game 10-Closing with Miami
in Men's Hockey
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Is anyone seeing the game on NCHC.tv? I’m just seeing Midco programming.
Disregard...just saw it’s an 8:05 start!