Butkus33
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Exactly, its like I said before fourwinds boy, The nickname doesn't promote racism, it exposes those that are racist! I have friends that are Native Americans, some opposed to the name others not, but the fact is, I know people have said terrible things to Natives and what not, but that is not because of the Nickname or the majority of the students that attend, its probably a fraction like 2 or 3 people in a group of 10 that make all that noise, and they still will after the name is gone!
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Because they aren't in the Missouri Valley Conference.
They're in the Missouri Valley Football Conference, called the Gateway Football Conference until recently.
Thanks!
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I don't foresee this happening anytime soon. I would think there is a better chance of UND/USD being admitted to the Gateway Football Conference than there is of seeing a Summit League sponsored football conference. NDSU and SDSU would have little to no incentive for leaving the Gateway Football Conference.
OK so why does NDSU only play football in Missouri Valley Conference? Why be in the MVC and Summit? Doesn't make sense!
Help me out here!
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The obvious answer: football. The Summit Conference does nothing for the football program. The GWFC simply cannot attract more teams. The writing is on the wall that the GWFC is not a viable conference in the long term. UND needs to get its football conference affiliation resolved soon.
Personally, I like the idea of being in the same conference as the other three Dakota schools. But all things being equal, the Big Sky would much better than the Summit solely due to the fact that it sponsors football. But the Big Sky is apparently not interested in UND, so it's a moot point. The Summit appears to be the only viable conference that is actually interested in UND.
I know that the Summit is not a great conference, and that football is non-existent, however if they are going after staple schools that have legitimate football programs, the Summit looks like it could turn into the NCC. And with our geographical locations we would be able to pick up non-conference games in the Big Sky, MVAC, Big 10, Big 12. And something to this effect was said before, that either you earn your way in to a good conference or you build one. Why not build the Summit, and make it a premier conference! UND and NDSU those two football programs alone would make the Summit be recognized, that is after we get off of our 5 year probation period, but in 5 years you could turn a weak conference into a force by adding the right schools. UND, NDSU, SDSU, USD, and now talks of Omaha wanting to jump that is 5 programs right there!
Build it and they will come!
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Lets be reasonable here, the WCHA has Big 10 teams in it, and the MVFC is one of the top mid-major conferences in the country. You don't just walk into those situations, you either build them or prove you belong and get an invite into them. Douple, who gets blasted here considerably, wants UND because he is trying to build.
The Summit has long been a conference with no indentity and he is trying to build a footprint and the Dakota core is a big part of that. With the four Dakota school the Summit is a slam dunk over the Big Sky, it will be a mid-major conference on the rise.
Wow I think I have to agree with FargoBison on this one. What does the BigSky have that we want. It's an established conference yeah but where are our rivalries, and the costs would be much greater. As for the Big 10 that would be AWESOME but what are they going to do expand the Alerus or rebuild Memorial Stadium to hold 30,000 people. I don't know what the minimum facility requirements are for football but I don't think we are there.
The Summit even if it is not as revered as other conferences is still a conference with NDSU. I want that rivalry back on every front. And who knows maybe with the schools that we are talking about they would add football to the conference. Again I don't know the logistics but it would make sense.
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No, if someone goes after NDSU I won't be one of them.
So Fourwinds boy, I am being serious as my position has always been to let the Sioux tribes vote and be the deciding factor if UND keeps the Sioux name or not.
So is it right that one tribe is not being allowed to vote, is that right? Why won't they allow their people to vote? To be honest it reminds a little bit of communism.
Here is my reasoning to support the name
1. It represents strength, honor, poise, confidence and intelligence
2. It represents a school of higher learning
3. It does not promote racism, rather it exposes it.
Now there are people that are racist and that will always be there, on every side of the line there are racists but to say that a name is used to bring down a group of people at a University is in my opinion false. I also believe that people that say that if the name goes so should the Native American programs should get their head checked themselves. What good does that do? None. As a culture a melting pot culture of America, we have honored other great cultures from the Spartans, Trojans, Patriots, Vikings, Irish some because they struggled but were resilient and fought to overcome the obstacles put before them to succeed, others because they were the standard of the time of being the superior force that ruled the land.
But that is neither here nor there as it is not my place to say whether we should be allowed to keep the Sioux name, that right belongs to the Sioux people, not a council not what is thought of as a minority of a minority but rather what the collective soul of the tribe, the Sioux tribe, no matter the outcome that is who it belongs to.
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Unknowns remain after nickname voteHe cracks me up with his "get the message out". How condescending to tell the members of the tribe to vote "no", because they "should" be offended. Is that what we mean by educating. And UND is accused of being racist?
Here is some info for you. An old friend who is a Native American and opposed to the nickname facebooked me the other day. I responded to his friend request and there is a group (not surprisingly) against the nickname that he joined so it popped up on my FB page. I checked it out, one guy on there wrote on the wall how "embarrassed he was over the vote and that they are going to re organize and re vote! The fight is far from over!!!" It is really upsetting, because these few criticize their own people for supporting it, and will stop at nothing to get the outcome that they desire. Here is the link to the group it is called Petition to get rid of the Fighting Sioux name.
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In 1948, I believe there were only three Big 10 universities playing hockey and there were very few other teams in the west, so it's not an accurate comparison. But nevertheless, I see the merit in saving a college hockey program. I hate to see any school drop hockey, particuarly one with history like Bemidji State. I just want everyone to be clear about the costs involved. Some of the people that are enthusiastically behind Bemidji will probably be complaining when the Gophers come to town only 3 of 5 years, or maybe even 1 of 2 years, depending on how the league handles scheduling.
Of course there are message board arguments about what the NCAA should do or what should happen with "college hockey" in general. But none of that matters. The reality is that the NCAA is not going to allow more games, the WCHA is not going to increase the number of league games, no other team is going to leave the WCHA to make room for Bemidji, and the WCHA isn't going to concoct some complicated schedule so that UND can play Minnesota and Wisconsin four times per year. Adding Bemidji will result in fewer games against UND's biggest rivals. I think that is the backdrop in which people should formulate their position on Bemidji.
I know there has been talk of splitting the WCHA into two divisions, and what not, but, and I hate to say this as it is cold, but what about cutting Alaska, or Michigan Tech? I would think Mich Tech would have a better shot at getting into another conference due to logistics of travel, and on the flip side Alaska! the costs must be staggering! But that is my un-educated opinion, as I haven't thought too much on this issue, but I would hate to lose more rival games! And Bemidji I think would develop into a rivalry due to the proximity to UND!
Or, just add Bemidji and float the schedule like they have been doing, maybe they could cut out one non-conference series. IDK any thoughts?
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All I know is that MPLSBISON is just trying to stir the pot. You have stated your opinion and position on the Sioux name, so be done with it, we know your stance as you pray to the all mighty Summit gods!
Yes, getting into the Summit would be nice, it is a good conference, but there are other conferences that UND could join! Or hell maybe the NCC will be resurrected with USD, SDSU, Neb-O (when they come calling) yes Bison fans even NDSU! Why not there are other schools that are making or wanting to make the jump so it makes sense and if we only have 6 or 8 schools so what, we can play a tough non-conference schedule with the Big Sky, Summit, MAC, Big-10, Big-12. Maybe I am dreamin' but last time I heard there was no one saying that we had to jump into the Summit. So MPLSBISON why don't you go back to the Farm and chat up with your own kind!
Let UND, the alum, fans and the Sioux Tribes determine what is best for us, and stop trying to stir the pot!
Thank you and have a nice day!
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I agree, MplsBison sure does have a lot to say on this matter. I have said all along that they should let the Sioux tribes vote and no matter how close rule in favor of the vote. The thing is, and I am not sure which Sioux tribe it is but they blessed the University when we wanted to implement the Fighting Sioux Nickname! Now history is repeating itself with a 2/3 vote in favor of keeping the nickname! I am not sure how it would turn out with the other tribe, but I would guess that it would probably pan out similar to the vote that was held today.
I think it is time that the opponents of the Nickname step up and say the people have spoken and they favor the nickname and be done with it, PERIOD. And for supporters to stand up respectfully for the nickname and not let any ignorant punk to make any slurs towards Natives. (Remember the T-shirts that with a Bison and a Sioux) That $@*! needs to stop.
We need to move forward and keep the moral high ground, which I think many have in the past, like 95+%!!!
In regards to the Big 10 and whomever else won't schedule a game, because of our nickname, well I can assure you the Fans at UND won't be the ones making slurs towards the Fighting Sioux nickname, maybe it's time they educate their students, fans and alum on what is appropriate and what isn't.
Go Sioux!
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I know what you mean but that could be easily changed to make the U stand out by making the U Black
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I agree it looks AWESOME on the N!!!!
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Not bad, you should try shooting the arrow out of the N Between the U That might Look even better! And what about interlocking the corner of the N to the D
Just putting more ideas out on your design, which I like
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Do any of you remember that movie with Stallone and Snipes when they go to the future and if you say hell you get fined? I think we are 5 years from Taco Bells being the only restaurant that we can go to. So I guess I will be living in the sewers under the city where at least I can say that this bleepity bleep, bleep stinks and go Sioux!!! I am so sick of this political correctness! I think from now on white people should scream discrimination whenever an application asks for our race, I am more peach than white dammit!!!!
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I would agree that those that oppose the nickname are afraid that the vote will favor keeping the nickname, however, if the vote comes in for retiring the "Fighting Sioux" nickname, I for one will be sad. To me there are a lot of other prudent issues that affect the Native American population that would benefit greatly from all the effort and energy that has been put in to retire our nickname. To waste so much energy on removing the nickname rather than improving the lives of those that live on the reservation makes no sense to me. But what do I know. If any nickname should be retired it would be the Senators- what is respectful about them? Lets just remove all mascots that revolve around a culture. To say that a nickname promotes racism, and cripples those to succeed in life is B.S. I am Norwegian and Irish, I am successful, but again what do I know.
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I think that letting the Sioux nation vote on it is the right thing to do. I get so frustrated when Native Americans of other tribes chip in their thoughts, to me it is about the Sioux people not the Chippewa Cheyanne or anyone else. Let them vote and then let it rest period.
The thing I don't get is many proponents say that it the nickname promotes racism. I say that racism is going to be there whether you keep the name or not, and at least by keeping the name the people that are ignorant have a chance to be educated, and maybe change their perspective on other cultures. My second point, whether we are the Fighting Sioux or just The Sioux. Our nickname represents our alma mater, an institution of higher learning!!! How in the world could that ever be percieved as racist, or a put down.
I will be satisfied with the outcome of the vote no matter how close it is or which way it leans too. I will be sad if the Sioux nickname and logo are crated and sent to the history books, but at least we can say that it was voted on by those that it is supposed to represent. I just wish their leadership the very few on the board would be as passionate about issues that truly affect their culture and hopefully restore their culture to where it once was, the one that we honor with loyalty. My two cents
NORTH DAKOTA vs. ST. CLOUD STATE - Fri @ 4:08
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Thanks for the update.