Bigears
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Yes, I disagree. You said UND fans were trumpeting secret meetings. That didn't happen. A blanket accusation that you can back up with any kind of facts.
No, I'm not going to do any research to "prove" that those exact words where used. If they weren't, I apologize for my mistake. I still think I had a valid point, but I'll accept your correction. Do you accept that UND will probably not be able to transition to DI, if that's what they decide to do, without following essentially the same route as NDSU and SDSU? That is, declaring their intentions before having permanent conference affiliation for all sports?
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Show me where a UND fan has "trumpeted" "secret meetings". Go ahead and show me. Are you sure you're not talking about the guy from the DII Football website? I've seen some of your fine work on bisonville. Your ignorant blanket accusations might feed the frenzy of morons on that particular site, but it doesn't work here. And if you can't refrain from statements such as that, then stay away.
You seem to be the one getting upset, not me. I think it is valid to point out that there has been a great deal of speculation about there being some sort of deal in place to bring UND into the Big Sky, for instance, and that that deal probably did not exist outside of the imaginations of those who may have wished that it was true. Do you disagree?
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Based on the comments of both the Mid Con and Big Sky commissioners in yesterday's Fargo Forum, I'd say that UND's idea of having conference affiliation before moving to D1 was nothing more than a fantasy.
http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm...§ion=Sports
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My favorite is the "Red Cats".
The Red River, Catfish. I think it has a ring to it.
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when we can be peers with Minnesota and Wisconsin.
I hope you're referring to hockey only.
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Sort of like the contract between NDSU and the Forum (reported by Brandon Misener of d2football.com that two people he trusted had seen the contract) that contains agreements that the Forum write X amount of stories about NDSU (obviously not all athletic) which NDSU must approve.
Didn't UND have a huge banner ad at the top of the Fargo Forum's on-line sports page for the last year, or so? Can anyone image an NDSU ad plastered all over the GF Herald's website?
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A magazine does it their way.
Princeton Review has a better one.
So, your answer is "not very likely".
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Actually when refering to academics, UND does rank higher than NDSU. Click on the links and take a look for yourself, UND ranks in the third tier, NDSU ranks in the fourth tier.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/d..._3005_brief.php
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/d..._9265_brief.php
Let's say you wanted to devise a system for ranking the quality of automobile manufacturers in the United States. Do you think a system which ranked car companies based on the following measures would be likely to yield reliable results?
1) A questionnaire sent to three executives at each auto manufacturer, asking them to assign a numeric ranking between 1 and 5 to each car manufacturer in accordance with their views on the companies reputation for quality
2) The selectivity of the manufacturer in its hiring of employees
3) Employee job satisfaction
4) How much it cost to build their vehicles
5) The percentage of return customers
6) Percentage of management holding MBAs or other advanced degrees
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I didn't realize that NDSU and SDSU controlled the Big Sky Conference. The last time I checked, they weren't even in the conference.
If UND is invited to join the BSC, it will be because the presidents of the BSC schools and Fullerton are convinced that it's in the best interest of the conference to have UND as a member, not because NDSU and SDSU approve.
True enough. But there's no way antagonizing NDSU and SDSU can do anything but hurt UND's chances.
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Like I said, I'm simply speculating. SDSU & NDSU have tried & failed, tried & failed to gain acceptance to the Big Sky. I just think that a package could be more attractive to the BSC if it included the largest University in the Dakotas that happens to have hands down the nicest facilities in the Dakotas and the largest tv market in the Dakotas.
You people are something else! You get criticized for your arrogant attitude and your comeback is more attitude. Is it any wonder UND is losing its friends?
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Like it not, Grand Forks and Fargo are only an hour or so apart and well, its always going to be a heated rivalry. You're going to want games in which you sell out, and well, you do need opponents that people want to see their team beat, or opposing fans that will travel to the game to cheer on their team. Unless you have the Magical powers, or alien technology to phyisically move the entire City of Fargo to like somewhere in western ND or further away, you're stuck together. To spout off your opinion that NDSU doesn't need UND, especially on a UND fan site, just shows how much the education you got at NDSU failed to sink into your thick skull.
There's that nasty ugly attitude again.
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If UND decides to make the move up, just because both UND and NDSU would be in the same divison, doesn't at all mean they have to be in the same conference. Take University of Florida and Florida State, huge rivals, not far from each other, but different conferences.
Excellent point.
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If the Big Sky ever decides to add teams, which right now is likely, they will make their decision based on who they think is the best fit for their conference. They're not just going to accept NDSU and UND because they were rivals and they want them in the same conference. Not saying that both will not get in, but the decision will no be based on the what has happened in the past.
I don't think the Big Sky conference will accept any of the Dakota schools for the forseeable future. Big Sky is very snobbish about its status as a scenic mountain conference. Accepting any prairie school would endanger that self image. I don't expect that to happen.
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Actually, the way things are shaping up it appears that it could very well be possible that UND will in fact secure SDSU & NDSU the bid from the Big Sky that they've been seeking for years. Purely speculation of course.
That's the attitude. It never fails. Sioux fans always show their true colors.
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That's is athletics bud, competition, competition, and more competition. NDSU shouldn't be pissed off because they should realize UND is out for the benefit of UND, not NDSU.
Precisely. This whole discussion started because UND fans simply assumed that NDSU and SDSU would help them secure a bid from the Big Sky conference. Both schools should indeed act in their own separate best interests. That is exactly my point. Thank you for agreeing with me.
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I rest my case.
Sir you don't have a case.
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I can only hope that NDSU's leadership has more common sense than you.
Common sense? Was it common sense that told UND leadership that moving to Division 1 was a terrible idea 3 years ago, or is it common sense that now seems to be dictating the opposite conclusion? Does your common sense tell you that NDSU will welcome UND into Division 1 and work to help ease its transition when UND did everything possible to make NDSU's transition difficult only a couple years ago? Doesn't your common sense tell you that NDSU might be just a little bit pissed off that UND now wants to reap the benefits of NDSU and SDSU's hard work and vision despite providing neither itself. Common sense seems to be in very short supply in Grand Forks these days.
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Bigears:
When NDSU beat Wisconsin in basketball, there were only positives posted on THIS site about NDSU's win.
When UND lost in the NCAAs in football, women's basketball, and hockey, there were bona fide celebrations ongoing within Bisonville.
Which response is "nasty", "ugly" and "dysfunctional"?
Case closed.
Clearly the ugliness works both ways. I've never suggested otherwise. I will say that, in my opinion, blame lies mostly with the folks from Grand Forks. You probably disagree. In any case, as I said previously, the athletic rivalry between the schools only serves to make matters worse. There are other schools out there with whom both schools can form positive competitive relationships. It's time to move away from this destructive "rivalry".
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I'm not so sure about that. Most alumni want to see the Sioux and Bison playing again. Those games can provide a lot of revenue to be made and create interest in casual sports fans of the area. Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree, but I think NDSU's position is strong with UND.
I completely disagree. There is nothing strong, good or healthy about the relationship between the two schools. I would say "nasty", "ugly" and "dysfunctional" are more descriptive words. The sports rivalry only serves to make an already bad situation worse. Both schools would be better off going their own separate ways.
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Do you seriously think the SU's would object to UND's entry? Having all three schools in the Big Sky or any other conference would be best for everybody. That's not even debatable. If geography is the biggest issue, it seems having a 12 member conference with two division makes more sense the more schools there are here out east. I think animosity is prevent some from thinking clearly. Past dealings could and should have been better handled, but there's been a new AD since then and soon will have a new president. If school administrations can't over it everybody's going to regret it. Only zealots want the two ND schools forever seperated. And unlike us diehard types that post on message boards (
), I think most would agree adding UND to the mix probably increases the SU's chance.I also would have a hard time believing having the Ralph would not factor into UND's chances for an invite. It may be a hockey facility, but that it can still be used as a bball facility would be attractive to the Big Sky.
In my opinion, permanent separation from UND is exactly what NDSU wants and needs. NDSU has simply had enough of the attitude it hears too often, and is aggressively seeking to put as much distance between itself and its onetime rival as possible. Conference affiliation with UND is not part of their plans. They will accept it, if they are forced to, but they will do nothing to encourage it. Abandoning SDSU to become your travel partner in the Big Sky is not an opition.
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Now, that is ridiculous!
Unless NDSU and SDSU have votes in any upcoming Big Sky expansion, NDSU and SDSU have NO say about any BSC consideration of UND.The primary problem all the Dakota schools face with regard to BSC membership is geography. That problem is worse for UND - it has no travel partner. It will, therefore, be more difficult for UND because of that.
Also, SDSU and NDSU are farther along in the D1 process. At this point they are more valuable to the Big Sky from a competitive standpoint than is UND. It seems unlikely to me that the Big Sky would bring in UND over the objections of NDSU and SDSU. Why not wait awhile? The attitude of the Big Sky presidents would likely be something like "NDSU and SDSU have proven their commitment to D1, UND has not. UND can come back in a few years and we'll see if anything has changed."
In any case, antagonizing NDSU and SDSU did not, and will not, help UND.
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If this was a business world, UND officials would be hailed as brilliant leaders if they get into the Big Sky. As an example, Microsoft was never much of an innovator (Apple and Xerox were), but Microsoft's leadership had exquisite timing.
I have no doubt that neither SDSU nor NDSU nor their fans will look kindly upon UND if all three get into the Big Sky. But if all three get invitations and any one declines out of spite, no one will get anything.Bison and Jackrabbit fans really underestimate the attraction that a facility like the Ralph has to Big Sky Presidents. If it wasn't for the Ralph, I have my doubts whether UND would get an invite.
The point is that, despite the magnificence of your HOCKEY arena, you'll need the cooperation of NDSU and SDSU upfront BEFORE the Big Sky even considers you. I don't think you'll get it.
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A desirable conference appears to be on the verge of offering UND membership.
Do you have any evidence at all that that is actually true? I've seen nothing in the media to indicate that. In fact, it seems very unlikely. Geography remains a significant problem for all the Dakota schools. There just aren't many D1 schools nearby and without a travel partner UND may be SOL.
UND declaring internal Division 1 move
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