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4 minutes ago, .357 said:
If money is such a defining factor for Boisvert & other schools' alumni have supposedly wealthier donors than UND (which I don't believe for a second), then why did Boisvert bother coming to UND in the first place?
Nobody knows here with certainty why any of these players are coming or going, unless you're the actual player or someone in his circle.
Exactly! Again I'm not buying this narrative of UND can't compete because of NIL!
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2 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:
Unfortunately the revenue, and net income, from men's hockey has absolutely nothing to do with NIL $. The NIL$ needs to come from private donors. It does not come from the institution. Apparently other schools have alumni with deeper pockets who are willing to throw their money at college athletes.
Yes, and those donors are especially interested in football and to a lesser extent basketball. NIL in college hockey just doesn't dole out much cash. UND has very rich alumni who are very well connected to other rich alumni and I would argue that this isn't about NIL but rather locker room issues that will be sorted out soon enough.
UND will be back folks, and if you bet otherwise, well a fool and his money are soon parted....
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2 minutes ago, Kab said:Grand forks is too small to be able to raise the kind of money these kids think they are worth
charles Barkley said it best when he said adults need to get in the room and fix this
any business needs to ask what will my return on my investment be
pay a kid $xyz this year and they are gone next year , I won’t shop for anything just because an athlete says it’s good
‘if a kid leaves they should have to pay the school they are leaving from a % of their next contract , just like coaches do
UND is among the highest revenue generating programs in all of college hockey, hell they are probably the highest! I know some will say "but the Big Cheese generates billions a year and no way UND can compete!", well hockey at the Big Cheese is usually an afterthought and all the NIL money goes to football and the left-over crumbs are given to the basketball teams....hockey there is irrelevant and less than an afterthought to the big donors and media.
So I call bull$%!# on the UND is getting killed because of NIL. Now I'm not from the area nor a fan of UND (but have upmost respect for the program!) and I'm telling you guys that this storm will pass and UND will be able to compete with anybody!
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1 minute ago, gfhockey said:
Yup where they at
And I will ask again, how did Boisvert secure a 100k NIL deal when Canadians aren't even eligible for House Settlement money let alone NIL???????????????????
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5 minutes ago, RhettRingers said:
False, he left for money
But how, he's Canadian and every thing I've read and heard says that it is very difficult for foreign born players to earn NIL deals....so is this an under the table thing????
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Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Canadians ineligible for NIL deals? Yes I understand there may be backdoor methods to get around this prohibition, but those methods would not be able to generate much money. So, are Perron and Boisvert really flight risks because of NIL or is there something more to this??
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On 1/23/2025 at 4:12 PM, RhettRingers said:
UND Hockey is behind when it comes to NIL plain and simple. They either need to beef up the collective or start recruiting like Hastings does and get some of the after thoughts/late bloomers. Gone are the days where kids will come here just for the facilities and "tradition". Part of the problem is just sheer numbers when it comes to the collective. UND has 110,000 living alumni, most BIG schools are graduating 40k/year. I do think it is time for a change, but I also think Brad and his staff are doing the best they can under the circumstances.
How much are the blue blood hockey programs offering in NIL money to top recruits. I know that Mike McMahon once tweeted that 1st and 2nd round NHL prospects were earning 100 to 120k a year but that has been widely discredited (I think).
If it is true though, can UND athletics afford it???
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15 hours ago, brianvf said:
To me it seems like this is just the tip of the iceberg with the CHL commits.
Not many of the "major" schools have signed CHL commits...and not many of the CHL players already committed have been the really high end talent.I think once the season is over we'll see more of the high end talent from the CHL signing with the upper tier NCAA programs.
We just have to hope that UND is amongst those teams landing those players...Who should they be focusing on? A ton of rumors about Michael Misa going out east or even Minnesota. I'd love to know who exactly has the coaching staff talked to?
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I'm wondering if they've talked with several "blue chippas" from the CHL and have some soft commits on one or two but those players are waiting until after the NHL draft to announce their intentions?
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50 minutes ago, Cratter said:
Q would dominate London.
Wow, what a well thought out response..don't even know how to reply to such deep insight and analysis....
Well something tells me I overstayed my welcome here. I understand that in this day and age having a countervailing position to the general (group think) consensus is quite frowned upon on American college campuses. I would hate to get in trouble with the though police down there, especially during my annual fall trip to the Big House to see Michigan play.
To yzerman 19, you seem like a well informed poster who is not quite so provincial minded, even though I'm sure you feel NoDak is better, perhaps you could continue to educate some of these college fans about the merits of the CHL.
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22 hours ago, tho0505 said:
I disagree completely. It was a great game, but after the top line and a half of each team there was a huge talent gap. Back and forth setting up plays and easy breakouts and transitions. Again, comparing the two leagues is apples to oranges; it just doesn't work.
Again I will say I saw much more time and space in the NoDak - Quinn game than the Memorial Cup game...on NoDak's first goal, 2 on 1 numbers down in the slot, where is the Q Defense?? Gersich all alone was allowed two quick shots, his second goes in. On the 2nd goal, horrible goal tending from Garteig , No. 6 Toews from Q utterly misses his check and lets Boeser easily pass him by for the goal after a misplay from Garteig. 3rd goal, absolute confusion from Q D, Boeser easily takes puck away and passes it to an unmolested wide open Caggiula for the goal. 4th goal, Boeser on a one on one battle going to the net spins around and passes to yet again a streaking and wide open Caggiula for the goal. 5th goal. after Garteig gives up a fat juicy rebound, Poganski all alone shoots it in.
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47 minutes ago, brianvf said:
This all sounds eerily similar to the NCAA vs NTDP exhibition games that you were saying college programs "give it their best" for despite sitting top players and playing backup goalies.
Fact: Yet despite Schmaltz being on a "lower" line, he still tied the all-powerful Dvorak in points.
Fact: Tkachuk's point total had more to do with Matthews than anything.
Spin it how you want man, but UND still beats London in a 7 game series. Fact.
Those two games were in essence try out games for the Canada hopefuls while the CIS finally got to play on a big stage with a ton of scouts watching...the games meant everything to both sides playing, were hard fought and intense and of course proved that the CIS was in no way superior to what some posters on HFBoards thought...after all the college boys were flat out dominated in the second game
Tkachuk and Mathews complimented each other quite well...who knows, maybe of Boeser was as good as Tkachuk instead of his inferior he might of got to play more with Mathews..
Your last point was merely a biased opinion...I'm still waiting for you all to explain the mighty NoDak depth over London..
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13 minutes ago, SiouxFanatic said:
I find it humorous that there's a CHL defender of the faith poster debating CHL vs. NCAA when there's a discussion on HFBoards about CHL vs. CIS where Canadian posters are saying CIS is better hockey than CHL!
CHL is a great alternative for development but when it comes to the level of play, NCAA will be better overall but it's unfair to even compare the two considering the age gap being a huge factor alone.
Hmmm, the best CIS players squared off against a portion of the better CHL players in a pre exhibtion WJC tune up for the Canadian World Junior team. Now keep in mind that the best Canadian CHLers sat out the games because their spot on the team was assured and that many top American, Russian, Swede and Czech CHLers were of course not there. The CIS all star team was of course several years older and in fact many of them were ex CHL players and were from teams like UNB, Alberta and the like that generally do well against NCAA competition. So the best from the CIS faced off against the not so best from the CHL and according to these so called sages from HFBoards, the CIS should of mopped the floor with the much younger and smaller CHL players right.? Well not exactly, the first game ended in a tie but the CIS did win in a shoot out. The CHL players then blew the door off the older, supposedly stronger and more experienced CIS players 5-0 the next game.
So much for the CIS being better...imagine if the CHL actually had all their best players playing...
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5 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:
what? Schmaltz had just as many pts as Dvorak....while barely getting pp time. Which was odd because he wad arguably the second best pp player on the team, that's on the coach (who clearly sucked at coaching this level).
again you are completely ignoring the point were trying to make, that und had much greater (older) depth.
what did marner do doing the wjc? He definitely didn't light the world on fire and he wad getting top pp time.
Dvorak earned PP time, Schmaltz did not..Marner did much better than Boeser and had the same PPG as Schmaltz...
UND is older but I've proven that age isn't anything and for the upteenth time show me this better depth!
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17 minutes ago, brianvf said:
And yet Schmaltz finished the tourney tied with Dvorak in points...despite his playing the 3rd line while Dvorak was on the 2nd.
Boeser and Schmaltz were paired together at the WJC because of their chemistry on the same line at UND. The order of the lines means nothing. If it did, then how the heck did lowly Schmaltz manage to tie mighty Dvorak in points? Must have been luck.Fact, Dvorak centered the 2nd line while Schmalts centered the third...Fact, Tkachuk was on the first line. If it was only about chemistry then why were two players that were part of the best line in college hockey on the third line and why did Tkachuck finish with a point total that equaled that of Schmatz and Boeser combined??
Spin it how you want but when the two best players on NoDak played with the two best players from London, the NoDak players were second fiddle..
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2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
We talking lines, teams, or CHL v NCAA?
If we are talking teams, UND wouldn't have put CBS out against London's top line. London's top line would have seen a whole bunch of UND's Heavy Line. The Heavy Line shut down Michigan's CCM line and everyone else they were matched against.
I understand that, and I've already been over the line combinations, my point was and remains (and is quite valid) that London's top line would have been among if not the outright best line in all of NCAA hockey.
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15 hours ago, yzerman19 said:
The bigger deal with getting paid in the CHL is signing your NHL contract at 18 and collecting your signing bonus.
I watched a lot of WHL this year, and its great hockey. No doubt about it.
The CHL usually draws the most gifted offensive talent, and they can display it in the style of game that is more like that played in the NHL.
CHL players are not paid to play. They receive a monthly stipend to offset living expenses in much the same way college athletes now receive cost of attendance subsidies.
Sorry for high jacking your thread, but it always made me laugh the way many college fans, who for the most part are completely unfamiliar with the level of play in the CHL dismiss the league as being second rate.
In terms of development, it is hard to argue against the CHL route but there are many players who would be better served going through the college route. The fact is, that if you are an elite prospect that is almost guaranteed to have a NHL career then the CHL is the preferred option, now that doesn't mean its the only option however. If you are a border line NHL prospect then the NCAA offers you more advantages, with the greatest being the time it allows you to develop. You can enter college at 18, 19 or even 20 and give yourself a full four years to strengthen your body and hone your skills and then hit the pros as a very mature and well rounded 23-24 year old.
I happen to know more than a few agents from various agencies and that is generally the advise they give. The high end prospects are steered toward the CHL while the rest are told the merits of the D-1 route. Now of course many elite prospects will take the NCAA way while many marginal ones will go on the CHL path but by and large that is the way it is increasingly playing out over the past decade or so.
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6 hours ago, Benny Baker said:
Riiiight. This explanation makes even less sense. So now you're trying to claim that London's top line is better than UND's top line simply based on the fact that 2/3 of London's top line played on two separate lines apart from 2/3 of UND's top line during a bronze medal game in an international tournament.
That would be like me trying to argue that Nick Schmaltz is better than Christian Dvorak because, in that same bronze medal game, Schmaltz had more points (3) than Dvorak.
Fact is that Mathew Tkachuk was tied with Auston Mathews as the leading point getter on the team and Dvorak was the teams second line center and had more than double the points of Boeser while Schmaltz centered the third line...small sample size but what evidence do you have that would suggest that NoDak's top line is better...let me know when the crickets stop chirping.
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6 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:
70 lines of adorable, right there.
Ahh thanks hon...
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7 hours ago, Benny Baker said:
While I think it's great that you can admit that your comments about one international hockey tournament failed to provide any evidence that the CHL is better than the NCAA, I'll reiterate my earlier suggestion as a friendly reminder: please try to stay on point. The US U-20 team is not a CHL team.
The assertion made was that London's top line was a cut below that of NoDaks but the best two London players, when placed together with the two best NoDak ones, proved to be better.
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32 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:
Bravo! Your argument that the CHL is better than the NCAA has now digressed to merely pointing out that two London Knights players were on two separate lines, which did not include any North Dakota players, at a brief international hockey tournament between 10 countries. Next time, try to stay on point, please. Thank you.
Not at all, just that the two London Knights were on the top two lines while the two best NoDak players rounded out the bottom lines.
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36 minutes ago, brianvf said:
I'm not sure why you're being so persistent with this. You're on a UND message board trying to convince us that your Knights would take it to the best team that UND has put on the ice in many years. You're not going to convince us just like we're not going to convince you.
Best of luck to you, good sir.I understand I will never convince any NoDak fan otherwise, but I will correct the many misconceptions college hockey fans have of the CHL, the first being that the league is comprised of mainly a single talented but very young line of 16/17 year olds and a bunch of weak 17 and 18 year old players rounding out the other lines..nothing can be further than the truth and while you may never believe that London would beat NoDak, you at least have to concede that London is a very deep and talented team that would be among the best NCAA D-1 teams.
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20 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:
you're comparing him to two undrafted players. Anyways I'm done with this pointless argument. I am a fan of both leagues...but still say UND wins 7 or 8 games out of ten games against London. Our D core alone would be way way too much to handle. Shaw would put up good number in that league, and that is not a knock on Shaw. I'm just saying.
I was comparing him to two players on your own team that had rather difficult freshman seasons yet came back to be regular contributors during their sophomore campaigns. Chyzyk and Simonson are not considered busts so why should Piccinich?? And who exactly is the second NCAA "bust" on London's roster??
Believe what you want about your Dcore being too much to handle but that is only your opinion, I don't see how they would manhandle the London Knights as so many of you hope they would.
I think I've more than proven that age isn't everything. You can make all the excuses you want about exhibition games but there is no way that any college program takes the NTDP lightly and treats it as a no show game. The NTDP has shown time and time again that a bunch of 16 and 17 year old high school seniors can go up against players 5 to 6 years their senior and compete. If exhibition games are meaningless and do not tell us anything then I suppose the Canadian CIS teams are just as good as NCAA clubs..
Many of you here dismissed London's talent saying they had no depth but their top line would have easily been the top line on any college hockey team including North Dakota. Their second and third lines could easily have handled playing and thriving in the NCAA. Some posters have tried to claim that London's defense is weak. Tell me, who on NoDak's vaunted defense has the talent and skill as a Olli Juolevi? The young (18 year old weakling as so many of you like to describe CHL players) stud is a sure fire top 10 pick in this year's draft and will most likely crack a NHL roster in four months time. You think a young 18 year old Dman like Mattinen would struggle against NoDak and other NCAA competition simply because of age? The kid is talented enough to be drafted this year (ranked 139) and has the size and strength to compete against any grown man in college hockey. He stands at 6'3 and weighs in at 230, and he's quite mobile and has a cannon of a shot. Oh by the way, this player is on the bottom pairing on the Knights Defense roster. Victor Mete, there other youngster had full ride scholarship offers from B.U., Notre Dame and Michigan and stands an excellent chance of being a late 2nd/high 3rd NHL pick this summer. If he were American he easily would have been on the NTDP, you know that team that plays against D-1 teams and actually wins some games...
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A couple of things here. From what I've read, UND is planning on opting in next season. The reason they didn't for this coming season is because they want to wait and see how the roster limitations of 26 per team shake out, there is a lot of talk that the number will be increased the following season so it's a smart move by UND to wait it out a year. Secondly, foreign players cannot earn NIL deals in the U.S. (as stated in above quote) so we can put to rest the notion that Boisvert left because of a 150k deal.