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If vegas was smart, their goal should be to suck for the first 2-3 years while staying at salary floor. After all, you don't win cups without stars. Hopefully, their is a mcdavid type available
The questions to each team should be as follows:
if you want me to not pick a certain player(s), the cost is picks.
If you want me to take a player with a bad contract, the cost is picks. This could be very valuable to contenders. And would help vegas meet floor while still sucking.
If you want me to take someone from one of your rivals, the cost is picks. Of course, they should flip the player.
If you want a player from another teams list, the cost is picks.
If no deal is made with any team, take best available and flip.
Goal should be 15-20 total first and second rounders combined in this years and next years drafts.
Being competitive the first year is over rated.
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Before you conclude that I'm sane, realize that the choice for my last F come down to a choice between Malkin and Panarin :-)
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The kid...
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Forget about the goaltenders, the story from a UND perspective is Rowney. Very impressive in his role. He kid is earrning a spot in the league.
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1 hour ago, Roosevelt83 said:
Murray sucks, the Pens have a minimal chance to win when he's in net in unless they outshoot the opponent (which they did in Game 4). Fleury is the only goaltender on Pittsburgh's roster capable of compiling wins regularly even when the team is outshot.
I guess it's surprising, considering how bad they struggled in last years playoffs, that Murray is on the team.
Actually, you're correct that MAF can can steal more games than Murray. But he can give more away also.
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While it may be debatable who is better than stopping the puck, there is no question Murray is better at handling the puck. With no Letang, the pens D are susceptible to a forecheck. With Murray, Sens cannot afford to sell out on forechecking as much and risk transition opportunities by Pens. Also, MAF has to freeze pucks more which results in a high number of defensive zone draws. All this means less zone time for Sens...as you saw in game 4.
To be fair, the return to form of Daley helped the breakout.
Also, the return to form of Hagelin forces Sens D to not pinch as much. This too helps breakout.
Now if only Sully would sit Sheary. He plays like he has eggs in his pockets.
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Let me take a stab at this.
Patrick Kane
Artemi Panarin
Conner McDavid
Sidney Crosby
Phil Kessel
Jake Gentzel
Duncan Keith
Justin Schultz
Oscar Klefbom
Shea Weber
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20 hours ago, DaveK said:
As you said, stats don't always tell the whole story. In the four years after winning the cup in 2009 Fleury's .891, .899, .834, and .883 save percentages don't explain how poorly the defense played in each and every one of those postseasons. At the same time Murray's .923 save percentage in 2016 doesn't tell us how most of the shots he faced hit him right in the crest of his jersey. Considering how closely I follow Pittsburgh, it isn't outrageous for me to say that I of all people should know better than a person who does not follow the Pens game in and game out. Fleury is a great goalie, one of the all-time greats. Murray is an okay backup for now, and there is a chance that is all he will ever be. You can certainly agree to disagree with me, but again I have to point out the fact that I have been following the Pens game in and game out since before either of those goalies were born. I'm pretty sure I know better based on how closely I follow the team. From having watched them so much I know all of the little nuances about the players that are not reflected on the stats sheet.
Dave,
you seem to be a passionate pens fan. What is you prediction for next season? Do you think they can be the first back-back in a while?
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20 hours ago, DaveK said:
As you said, stats don't always tell the whole story. In the four years after winning the cup in 2009 Fleury's .891, .899, .834, and .883 save percentages don't explain how poorly the defense played in each and every one of those postseasons. At the same time Murray's .923 save percentage in 2016 doesn't tell us how most of the shots he faced hit him right in the crest of his jersey. Considering how closely I follow Pittsburgh, it isn't outrageous for me to say that I of all people should know better than a person who does not follow the Pens game in and game out. Fleury is a great goalie, one of the all-time greats. Murray is an okay backup for now, and there is a chance that is all he will ever be. You can certainly agree to disagree with me, but again I have to point out the fact that I have been following the Pens game in and game out since before either of those goalies were born. I'm pretty sure I know better based on how closely I follow the team. From having watched them so much I know all of the little nuances about the players that are not reflected on the stats sheet.
If you put 10 fans in a room, you would get 10 different opinions on any sports subject. The MAF debate has been going on in Pittsburgh since he's been there. It seems split 50/50. Half the people, like you, love him. The other half thinks he should be traded. I am somewhere in the middle. In this case, I simply would go with the younger cheaper option who may have a higher ceiling.
By the way, I have been a season ticket holder since 1980.
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29 minutes ago, JTSchro said:
Great take, and what a "Great Goalie Mind". I have a theory. You must be an Engineer per your username. You must be a goalie to throw down analysis like that. So are you Matt Hrynkiw !?!?
Haha. Sorry, I am not Matt. But I did play goalie once on roller skates about 30 years ago :-)
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18 hours ago, DaveK said:
Fleury experienced one playoff meltdown, as did the entire team in front of him, in the 1st round series loss to Philly in 2012. His other playoff losses between the Stanley Cup winning years of 2009 and 2016 were all due to a lack of scoring and/or the defense leaving him hung out to dry time and time again. For as much talent as the Penguins have had over the past decade, from 2010 to 2015 they had some of the most underachieving teams in the history of the NHL. Fleury was by far the most productive player on the roster during that era. In some of those seasons he was most likely the main reason why they even made the playoffs at all. Even this past season that ended with Sid and the boys hoisting the cup, had Fleury not been so spectacular they very likely would not have been a playoff team. Before the midseason coaching change they were on the bubble and were badly outplayed in many of their wins the first half of the year. They had no business winning some of those games but managed to escape with a handful of victories solely due to some ridiculously amazing goaltending.
If Matt Murray had been the #1 goalie all year long the Pens would have been buried in the standings and would have been sellers rather than buyers at the trade deadline. In the playoffs he did what was asked of him, which was to be just good enough to let the team in front of him win. He didn't have to be great for the Pens to win, he merely had to be decent (which is all he was). In each of the last two rounds the better goaltending performance came from the losing side. If Fleury had been playing in the Finals it probably would have been a sweep. Each of the Sharks' two wins were due to soft goals given up by Murray. If it comes down to needing cap space I would much much rather purge Letang and Malkin from the roster. The Pens simply can't afford to lose Fleury under any set of circumstances. He is that vital to the success of the team. Not only is Murray not a starting caliber goalie in PIttsburgh, I don't see him as a starting caliber goalie on any NHL team. Some teams even have two goalies that are both better than Murray.
We can agree to disagree. MAF has had more playoff issues than just 2012. It goes back to the 2004 WJC where he let in a softie from the blue line to tie the game in the third and ended up putting the puck in his own net for the winner. I know stats don't always tell the whole story but MAF save % for the 4 years after the 2009 cup were .891, .899, .834, and .883. In his two years in Wilkes Barre, he was pulled half way through the playoffs in both years and replaced by a non-prospect veteran. His save % in those two years were .843 and .883. I do have to give him credit for 2014 and 2015 playoffs, he played solid and the lack of scoring hurt the team. Also, he played as well as he ever during the 2015-2016 regular season.
Murray's save % for the playoffs was .923. This after he posted stellar number in both regular season and playoffs in WBS. Also, Murray is not just a guy who played above his level at a good time, there have been whispers for the past year that he could be the next thing in the NHL as far as goalies go. That is how he is perceived in the organization. Time will tell whether there is any truth to this school of thought.
Stats aside, the choice depends on your philosophy on goaltending. MAF will make spectacular saves but let a fluttering puck from the point get past him. Murray plays at a more even keel.
Considering the age difference in age and salary, I would go with Murray.
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On July 10, 2016 at 10:16 AM, DaveK said:
They were going to win regardless which goalie played. They didn't win because of Murray, they won in spite of him. Fleury is a much much better goaltender. Murray's glove hand is extremely subpar. Anybody who thinks they would not have won the cup with Fleury in net for the entire duration of the playoffs is delusional.
A run of two months and 26 games being carried by an amazing team pales in comparison to a solid decade of carrying an often times underachieving team. If the Pens were smart they would trade Murray now as his value is currently way overinflated. There is a very good chance that he will never be worth as much as he is this offseason.
There is no doubt Fleury is the more athletic of the two and they may have won with him. However, don't sell Murray short. He did not buckle under the pressure. While MAF did win a cup, he also experienced many playoff meltdowns. If it a toss up, the tie breaker may be the team's need for cap space.
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1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:
Wonder if Cullen and Pens will get something worked out soon?
.......and for the record the Wild have had zero interest in him despite media reports.
Will be interesting to see which direction Pens go. They have a couple of young guys they would like to work into line up but it will be tough to ignore what Cullen did last year.
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