Jump to content
SiouxSports.com Forum

Non-UND Men's Basketball


SWSiouxMN
 Share

Recommended Posts

On 7/16/2021 at 10:33 AM, sioux24/7 said:

Kevin Obanor ends up at Texas Tech. I’m surprised that Max decided to come back to ORU vs. going to a bigger school. They look to be a handful again. 

They have done a good job in adding some talented guards.  Losing Obanor will hurt but Weaver and Lacis should shoulder some of the load. That's a big man to replace in the middle. They will still be contending for a championship with NDSU and SDSU. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

SDSU just announced an $50 million dollar renovation to Frost and it should be done by 2023 or 2024.

USD - New Basketball/Volleyball (4,000) and major renovation of the Dakota Dome.  NOTE:  USD has mortgage payments for the next 20 years.

SDSU - New football stadium, new indoor practice facility and now $50 renovations to Frost (5,500).  NOTE:  SDSU has mortgage payments for the next 20 years.

NDSU - Fargo Dome, renovations to BSA (5,460) and new indoor practice facility.  Everything paid for I think.. might have some Dome renovations to pay for not sure.

UND - Alerus Center, new indoor practice facility...  do we need to up grade the Betty (3,300).  UND is facilities debt free - just finished paying for the Betty.

We have an arms race in the Dakotas..

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Not sure what UND would do to the Betty? Still a very nice facility. No capacity issues anyway

Create separate practice facility for VB/Basketball and then put permanent seating on both ends of the court.  Plus remove the existing telescoping lower level seating and rework all of that with more premium seating and more permanent seating.  I think the framework is in place - they just needs to take it to the next level.

  • Upvote 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

kinda hard when this confrence is a revolving door and has been for years and years...

Can't argue with that, but hopefully the old NCC schools of UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU, Omaha, St. Thomas can plus, larger urban schools of DU, ORU and UMKC can keep things more stable going forward.  The reality is that academic profile of the Summit League has really solidified and in many ways the Summit League is comparable to both the MVC and HL.

Summit League:

Institution Location Population MSA Rank Growth Type Enrollment Endowment Research
University of Denver Denver, Colorado 2,960 19 12.3 Private 11,952 $711,345,798 R2
University of Missouri–Kansas City Kansas City, Missouri 2,190 31 9.09 Public 16,944 $152,800,000 R2
University of Nebraska Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 970 58 11.82 Public 15,431 $72,000,000 R2
University of North Dakota Grand Forks, North Dakota 105 348 6 Public 13,847 $366,000,000 R2
North Dakota State University Fargo, North Dakota 250 192 19.67 Public 14,358 $201,600,000 R2
Oral Roberts University Tulsa, Oklahoma 1,010 55 8.3 Private 4,053 $40,490,533  
University of St. Thomas Saint Paul, Minnesota 3,700 16 10 Private 9,878 $519,000,000  
University of South Dakota Vermillion, South Dakota       Public 10,151 $213,560,000 R2
South Dakota State University Brookings, South Dakota       Public 12,613 $135,700,000 R2
Western Illinois University Macomb, Illinois       Public 7,624 $32,134,249  

 

Missouri Valley:

Institution Location Population MSA Rank Growth Type Enrollment Endowment Research
Bradley University Peoria, Illinois 402 136 -3.33 Private 5,451 $324,900,000  
Drake University Des Moines, Iowa 709 82 16.98 Private 5,270 $219,800,000  
Illinois State University Normal, Illinois 54   4 Public 20,706 $151,000,000 R2
Indiana State University Terre Haute, Indiana 185 231 -2.49 Public 13,584 $70,000,000  
Loyola University Chicago Chicago, Illinois 9,600 3 1.66 Private 16,437 $711,000,000 R2
Missouri State University Springfield, Missouri 475 117 8.87 Public 26,000  $145,800,000  
Southern Illinois University Carbondale, Illinois 133 310 -4.11 Public 11,695 $154,000,000 R2
University of Evansville Evansville, Indiana 314 164 0.8 Private 2,526 $93,400,000  
University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, Iowa 276 178 7.2 Public 12,273 $135,000,000  
Valparaiso University Valparaiso, Indiana       Private 4,500 $254,000,000  

- Research Levels -  Summit League has 7 schools vs 3 MVC schools at R2 research activities

- SL has 5 markets over 1 million in population.  MVC  has 1 market - now it's a monster (Chicago).  But, 6 of the MVC markets have growth rates less than 4% and 4 of them are basically zero or less than zero.  All of the Summit League markets are growing at healthy rates.  The MVC has 3 healthy growth markets.

- And the endowments for the schools are very comparable.

So, in many ways the Summit League has put together several nice pieces.  Now, several of these schools have to show signs of growing on the athletics side of things.  But, the pieces are there to be leveraged.  To be honest, I think you can ask questions on how healthy are all the Illinois and Chicago area schools and the MVC is very Chicago based.  If Loyola leaves the MVC for the Big East or A10.  It would have a huge hole to fill.  NOTE:  It has been stated that the MVC is looking toward the southern US for it's next expansion plans (two schools being mentioned ORU and Unv Texas- Arlington).  I think the primary reason is that they are looking for larger healthy growth markets - which they don't have beyond Des Moines, Cedar Falls and Springfield.  And the Summit League does (Denver, MSP, Tulsa, Kanas City, Omaha).  The Summit League does have some positives.

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 hours ago, FSSD said:

Can't argue with that, but hopefully the old NCC schools of UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU, Omaha, St. Thomas can plus, larger urban schools of DU, ORU and UMKC can keep things more stable going forward.  The reality is that academic profile of the Summit League has really solidified and in many ways the Summit League is comparable to both the MVC and HL.

Summit League:

Institution Location Population MSA Rank Growth Type Enrollment Endowment Research
University of Denver Denver, Colorado 2,960 19 12.3 Private 11,952 $711,345,798 R2
University of Missouri–Kansas City Kansas City, Missouri 2,190 31 9.09 Public 16,944 $152,800,000 R2
University of Nebraska Omaha Omaha, Nebraska 970 58 11.82 Public 15,431 $72,000,000 R2
University of North Dakota Grand Forks, North Dakota 105 348 6 Public 13,847 $366,000,000 R2
North Dakota State University Fargo, North Dakota 250 192 19.67 Public 14,358 $201,600,000 R2
Oral Roberts University Tulsa, Oklahoma 1,010 55 8.3 Private 4,053 $40,490,533  
University of St. Thomas Saint Paul, Minnesota 3,700 16 10 Private 9,878 $519,000,000  
University of South Dakota Vermillion, South Dakota       Public 10,151 $213,560,000 R2
South Dakota State University Brookings, South Dakota       Public 12,613 $135,700,000 R2
Western Illinois University Macomb, Illinois       Public 7,624 $32,134,249  

 

Missouri Valley:

Institution Location Population MSA Rank Growth Type Enrollment Endowment Research
Bradley University Peoria, Illinois 402 136 -3.33 Private 5,451 $324,900,000  
Drake University Des Moines, Iowa 709 82 16.98 Private 5,270 $219,800,000  
Illinois State University Normal, Illinois 54   4 Public 20,706 $151,000,000 R2
Indiana State University Terre Haute, Indiana 185 231 -2.49 Public 13,584 $70,000,000  
Loyola University Chicago Chicago, Illinois 9,600 3 1.66 Private 16,437 $711,000,000 R2
Missouri State University Springfield, Missouri 475 117 8.87 Public 26,000  $145,800,000  
Southern Illinois University Carbondale, Illinois 133 310 -4.11 Public 11,695 $154,000,000 R2
University of Evansville Evansville, Indiana 314 164 0.8 Private 2,526 $93,400,000  
University of Northern Iowa Cedar Falls, Iowa 276 178 7.2 Public 12,273 $135,000,000  
Valparaiso University Valparaiso, Indiana       Private 4,500 $254,000,000  

- Research Levels -  Summit League has 7 schools vs 3 MVC schools at R2 research activities

- SL has 5 markets over 1 million in population.  MVC  has 1 market - now it's a monster (Chicago).  But, 6 of the MVC markets have growth rates less than 4% and 4 of them are basically zero or less than zero.  All of the Summit League markets are growing at healthy rates.  The MVC has 3 healthy growth markets.

- And the endowments for the schools are very comparable.

So, in many ways the Summit League has put together several nice pieces.  Now, several of these schools have to show signs of growing on the athletics side of things.  But, the pieces are there to be leveraged.  To be honest, I think you can ask questions on how healthy are all the Illinois and Chicago area schools and the MVC is very Chicago based.  If Loyola leaves the MVC for the Big East or A10.  It would have a huge hole to fill.  NOTE:  It has been stated that the MVC is looking toward the southern US for it's next expansion plans (two schools being mentioned ORU and Unv Texas- Arlington).  I think the primary reason is that they are looking for larger healthy growth markets - which they don't have beyond Des Moines, Cedar Falls and Springfield.  And the Summit League does (Denver, MSP, Tulsa, Kanas City, Omaha).  The Summit League does have some positives.

On an unrelated note, this data certainly points out how successful the UND Foundation has been in fundraising. Only three schools have larger endowments - and they are all private universities!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

48 minutes ago, UND Fan said:

On an unrelated note, this data certainly points out how successful the UND Foundation has been in fundraising. Only three schools have larger endowments - and they are all private universities!

Endowments can be deceptive when it comes to the economic health of an institution.

Maybe a fairer assessment would include a comparison of gains versus cuts in jobs, academic programs, and sports, and - in the case of publics - dependence on state dollars.

Pledged dollars and future returns on investments for the school mean very little to people who have been laid off due to budget cuts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share

×
×
  • Create New...