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So called 'Cancel Culture' is NOT the problem here. The problem still lies with Miller and to a certain extent, his parents. He was taken to court, reprimanded by the magistrate, ordered to community

Here's my advice for Mitchell Miller. Don't even think of leaving UND until you have a degree. Be a good citizen, student and teammate. Then go out and see what kind of pro hockey career you can

I can’t hold what Miller did at 14 against him as an adult.  But he is responsible for making amends afterwards; especially now that he is 18.  From all indications Miller (and the Miller clan) have n

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33 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

The truth is Berry picked the wrong time to try and help a kid out and shape him into being a better person.  5 years ago this kid sails through the program.

This is true.

Not saying its right, but it is true.

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8 minutes ago, northernraider said:

I'm going a limb to say and any that has spent 30 years active duty, likely has plenty of balls

He's in academia now. People change....right?

 

Asking for Mitchell Miller.

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1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

The truth is Berry picked the wrong time to try and help a kid out and shape him into being a better person.  5 years ago this kid sails through the program.

Tom Clifford would have handled this 100x better. 

He should have been given a chance. Maybe on a short leash, but at least given an opportunity to prove that he has changed.  

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11 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Tom Clifford would have handled this 100x better. 

He should have been given a chance. Maybe on a short leash, but at least given an opportunity to prove that he has changed.  

TC also operated during a time of a wild-west mentality with very little oversight.  

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I don't condone what Miller did at all but I also don't think it needs to be held against him for his entire life like the kid can't change. Disappointed to see UND just bow down to public pressure and this is probably referring more to president/academic people than athletics people because I think they largely made the decision themselves. I trust that the coaching staff had done their homework on Mitchell and were confident his character at this point in time wasn't a concern. I'm not sure Miller would have played a huge role this year maybe 7this defenseman but in a covid year and injuries the president forcing the move right now really hurts the depth of this team. A 22 player roster where you dress 19 every night just seems a little lite to me. Maybe we can bring in a guy at semester.

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2 hours ago, UND1983 said:

The truth is Berry picked the wrong time to try and help a kid out and shape him into being a better person.  5 years ago this kid sails through the program.

There isn't a "wrong time" to do the right thing.

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It's a crazy year to be sure.

I think the president did the right thing and here's why. MM was old enough to know better when he did those things. Since then, he has shown no remorse about it until a court ordered him to apologize. I would totally be on his side and willing to give him a shot ay redemption if he admitted fault and apologized on his own at any point over the last 4 years but he didn't. 

 

His parents are no gems either. In fact, they are arguably worse for enabling and supporting such behavior.

Good riddance and enjoy the KHL or whomever wants to deal with his racisms and toxic parents. 

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37 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

TC also operated during a time of a wild-west mentality with very little oversight.  

True.  But, he had a way of getting people to agree on a middle ground.  

I would like to know the reaction of this kid's parents.  I've read some things that weren't flattering about their attitudes toward his initial punishment.  To be a fly on that wall...

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2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

Tom Clifford would have handled this 100x better. 

He should have been given a chance. Maybe on a short leash, but at least given an opportunity to prove that he has changed.  

Agree 100%.  Uncle Andy, you fell down on this one.

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3 hours ago, Rebel_Sioux said:

It's a crazy year to be sure.

I think the president did the right thing and here's why. MM was old enough to know better when he did those things. Since then, he has shown no remorse about it until a court ordered him to apologize. I would totally be on his side and willing to give him a shot ay redemption if he admitted fault and apologized on his own at any point over the last 4 years but he didn't. 

 

His parents are no gems either. In fact, they are arguably worse for enabling and supporting such behavior.

Good riddance and enjoy the KHL or whomever wants to deal with his racisms and toxic parents. 

I don’t question the President’s decision either.  I do not think if it was up to just Berry that he would have made the same choice though. 
 

Also, I just saw on Twitter that according to one of his friends, Miller wasn’t permitted any communication with the victim’s family and they had a restraining order on him. So if true, and I am not sure it can be validated, could explain some things. But now I’m very confused on the mother’s wish for a direct apology. What a mess. 

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1 hour ago, MDtoGF said:

We alluded to the Miller situation a few days before the decision of today, but wanted to talk about it in real time. We interviewed Jasper about concrete thoughts on things and real changes he wants to make to advance equality for all. Give it a read! https://seamoresports.com/2020/10/28/making-and-being-a-part-of-changejasper-weatherby/

Yeah, maybe I'll read something by Jashvina Shah when she takes back in the article she wrote that Patrick Kane should have been fined and punished by the Blackhawks for what were determined to be false rape allegations with DNA evidence to back the DA's decision.

I won't hold my breath. 

Ohh....and how terrible of the Penguins to visit the White House. 

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12 hours ago, nodakgirl93 said:

Well Armacost can go.

 

11 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Changing course after putting out the statement in support of Miller a couple days ago bothers me and isn't a good look, but at least the situation won't constantly hang over the team and fanbase for the next 4 years.  Moving on.

 

11 hours ago, siouxfaninseattle said:

That this has happened tells me that Brad Berry didn't do his due diligence before he offered the kid a scholarship, or that some of the stuff that has come out recently is questionable, or that it is simply mob mentality in control. I wonder if the kid simply lied to BB or was loose with the truth. What a crappy situation. And it is not even close to over yet.

 

10 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

They flip-flopped

 

10 hours ago, TheFlop said:

He and his family have been downplaying it for years by doing the bare minimum required , why stop during Brad Berry's recruitment of him.  

 

8 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Armacost said the decision to kick Mitchell off the team was ultimately his....."because I'm the President".

 

7 hours ago, northernraider said:

I'm going a limb to say and any that has spent 30 years active duty, likely has plenty of balls

 

6 hours ago, STS said:

There isn't a "wrong time" to do the right thing.

Hard to say how this played out in the short past, but a lot is put to bed.
The Coyotes release added some immediate concern.
Was Berry a little hesitant to change his mind after he commited to be able to apparently comfortably take Miller in?
How involved was Chaves in last few days.
Most of these issus or variations of, kind of disappear within the AD in a PR kind of way, with P Armacost making the Public call.
Yes, there could be a suit, but making this move from the top is the best way to move forward.
 

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Reading the Jasper article above ^^^. I can respect his views but not support them. No, UND jerseys don’t need cultural messages like the NBA and no, his teammates shouldn’t (if they don’t want to) attend the George Floyd memorial if they’re not comfortable or agree with who GF was as a person (most people minus the tragic incident) would not look up to this man, no disrespect. Just calling a spade a spade. 

I think Jasper is better off finding students/organizations that have more commonality with his views and ideas. Nobody wants to be forced and not everyone agrees with the “woke” mob. He’s setting himself up for a slippery slope imo. I do appreciate his courage and ambition though. 

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2 hours ago, johnsowe said:

So Jasper is against Sioux forever? 

Apparently it is derogatory...even though the majority of Native Americans don't think so.

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