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A Harvard economist, Roland Fryer, who happens to be black, and the youngest to ever achieve tenure at Harvard, set out to prove your premise, that blacks were shot more often than whites by white cop

If you get in trouble for singing a published song then maybe the song shouldn’t of been published. 

Pretty much. I think the word “racist” has been watered down these days to fit whatever narrative people want. Me? If/when I call somebody racist it’s because they are maliciously targeting another ra

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1 hour ago, Undfan23 said:

I am not for ruining lives, I know you know that. But I am for accountability, I think having one girl claim the video was falsified with a voice over and one owning it as having happened AND BEING ADMITTED TO THE UNIVERSITY is a big deal. It goes to integrity and I won’t take someone at their word if they lie right out of the gate, and I didn’t get past the first paragraph without thinking it is a lie or misrepresentation...and twice. My opinion.

One girl claims they sang the lyrics, the other claims the video was edited to amplify the last word (the N bomb).  They don't really contradict each other.

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1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

 

See above. The point I'm trying to make is we are at the stage in society where we immediately jump to guilt on any racial issue. The "noose" in Bubba's garage was there for over a year yet he takes what is not there racially and turns it into a race issue on multiple media outlets. Same thing with the young man in LA. These two UND student athletes were "guilty" immediately. Is that fair? Was justice being served? What if by chance these two girls were targeted by a certain FB player for whatever reason and now their college athletic careers and possibly their academic careers are over? Will there be justice for those two individuals? 

So your way of dealing with the situation is to make a racially snide comment? Say that then, You disagree because I think you’re jumping to conclusions, and leave the noose out of the Betty! That kind of talk gets us nowhere. How do you know this person is jumping to conclusions? They are entitled to their opinion as much as anyone else. How do you know they did not do their own research? There is evidence of what happened, I’m not rehashing it...my posts state why I feel the way I do, and like this poster I’m entitled to my opinion. I don’t approve of the way you responded to this, also entitled to that opinion.
 

I do agree with the nascar thing being a bunch of bs, but based on what I know do not believe the same thing happened here and that is after a lot of due diligence.

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27 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

One girl claims they sang the lyrics, the other claims the video was edited to amplify the last word (the N bomb).  They don't really contradict each other.

I don’t read the entirety of the girls statements the way you are, but you’re entitled to your opinion.  I would never take the opinion of the reporter over the written word of the girls. I’ve also watched the video a few times, there is no voiceover....never happened, imo. The part of the video edited Imo is the length. Amplifying in their eyes the Nword because they did not include the other words to the song.

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7 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

If her Snapchat was hacked I wonder where the police report is, and what was found from that. Pretty sure that could be identity theft. 

And legally actionable criminally and civilly if it could be proven as to where it came from. If one of those girls were mine and I thought they were defamed I would have already hired a private investigator, and been at the police department with what I found. You can have text messages between people subpoenaed....so many ways this could be handled and put to rest. Not that I’m saying the girls have to prove anything, but if it is all a fabrication (and I don’t believe it is) that’s a battle I would fight with a lot more info than what we currently have.

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13 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

So where does this leave the VB coach now?  What does the team actually think about all of this?  

Great way for the new president to get started btw.  

I have a feeling it could cost the vb coach and maybe AD because in their joint statement they say the situation was investigated by the coach and athletic department but in the article Dodd from the university is quoted as saying that there was never a complaint by Vetter so the situation Involving the snapchats was never investigated. Idk, did they just investigate to a point, discipline and drop it never bringing it to a formal investigation by the university and just keeping it hush among themselves? No clue on this one! 

It should have been investigated more....sorta hope it still will be. Really for the sake of everyone at this point, but I doubt it will be. 

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42 minutes ago, Undfan23 said:

And legally actionable criminally and civilly if it could be proven as to where it came from. If one of those girls were mine and I thought they were defamed I would have already hired a private investigator, and been at the police department with what I found. You can have text messages between people subpoenaed....so many ways this could be handled and put to rest. Not that I’m saying the girls have to prove anything, but if it is all a fabrication (and I don’t believe it is) that’s a battle I would fight with a lot more info than what we currently have.

At the same time, if there was no police report about the hacking/identity theft from when it actually occurred, I’d have a tough time believing the story that the account was hacked.

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1 minute ago, Redneksioux said:

At the same time, if there was no police report about the hacking/identity theft from when it actually occurred, I’d have a tough time believing the story that the account was hacked.

I 100% agree with you! I’m trying to be as fair as possible, even though I believe parts of the girls claims are a lie.

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Lets look at this with the facts that we know to be true as of right now.

1) An incident involving 2 UND VB players was brought to UNDs attention involving social media and a song that contained an in (this was in Feb 2020)

2) UND did an investigation and determined there was no code of conduct violation, no punishment was given.

3) The controversy reared once again when Turner called out UND for using one of the athletes in one of their ticket promotions (this was in May/June 2020)

4) The girls left the team and the university.

I don't think anybody can dispute these 4 things.  

Here is what is in the shade of gray region and these questions may never be answered (after re-reading UNDs statements and the girls statements)

1) If there were several UND athletics that had their social media hacked, why hasn't other athletes come forward yet to say yay or nay on this issue?  Why did the athletic department or UND decide to push on this?

2) Why did the athletic department go ahead and use one of the players involved in the incident for their promotion?  Why wasn't there one person, in Hyslop, that stood up and said:  hey, this might not be such a good idea because it could bring up that incident again?  

3) If UND went with a different VB player, does the incident ever resurface and gives UND what they wanted to "let it blow over"?

4) Why did UND want this to "blow over"?  Why wasn't there more done to give closure one way or the other?

5) Why wasn't there an opportunity for the girls to apologize and offer to start a dialogue with Turner? 

6) So was it a "mutual" departure or was it the girls decision and was there a real effort to keep them on the team?

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

If NASCAR had any balls, unlike UND in this VB situation, it would suspend Wallace the remainder of this racing season for going public to feed into this false racial narrative.

Why? Bubba is not the one that found it. His team found it in the garage and reported it to NASCAR. NASCAR is the one who came out publicly with it and got the FBI involved. 

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5 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

 

Maybe she is trying "cover" up her actions......or maybe there is a legitimate other side of the story she's trying to get out there.

You've obviously made up your mind on this. Are you being "simple-minded" as Bubba Wallace would say? 

From this whole discussion you’ve  made your mind up as well, very clear. Simple-minded might be the definition of this whole thread. I would love to hear this “other side” if there is one. 

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13 minutes ago, KoolGuy2K said:

Why? Bubba is not the one that found it. His team found it in the garage and reported it to NASCAR. NASCAR is the one who came out publicly with it and got the FBI involved. 

Sure didn't take him long to make an appearance on The View and Don Lemon's show...

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7 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

Sure didn't take him long to make an appearance on The View and Don Lemon's show...

I’m sure they reached out to Bubba to see what he had to say about it...... since it was about him. It was all over social media and the news outlets already. That’s no reason for him to be suspended. 

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28 minutes ago, KoolGuy2K said:

Why? Bubba is not the one that found it. His team found it in the garage and reported it to NASCAR. NASCAR is the one who came out publicly with it and got the FBI involved. 

im assuming the chain of info went...noose finder-bubba (who saw dollars signs)-nascar (who saw publicity and a way to seem more woke).

but imo...100% staged to make money.

as always follow the money

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41 minutes ago, KoolGuy2K said:

I’m sure they reached out to Bubba to see what he had to say about it...... since it was about him. It was all over social media and the news outlets already. That’s no reason for him to be suspended. 

So now we just move on as if the allegation was never made?

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1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

im assuming the chain of info went...noose finder-bubba (who saw dollars signs)-nascar (who saw publicity and a way to seem more woke).

but imo...100% staged to make money.

as always follow the money

Not sure about the chain of events, it’s pretty obvious it was a publicity stunt. But I put the blame on nascar, not Bubba. 

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35 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

So now we just move on as if the allegation was never made?

I just think it’s silly to blame Bubba for this when nascar was wanting to investigate and made a big deal about it without even checking it out themselves. 

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What I don’t understand is how the situation can be investigated by UND athletics according to Tiffins press release (included in post) but then not investigated according to the quote by Dodds in the paper? (Also included in post.

Dodds says “there was no complaint filed by Ms Vetter, therefore the university did not investigate” this is in regards to the snapchat photo in which a compliance person allegedly told Vetter the phone was a football players. 

So my main question for discussion is how was it investigated by UND athletics in the Tiffin Statement and then not investigated by the university in the press release? Or is UND saying Ms Vetter made no complaint of the snapchat at the time it was brought to the attention of Tiffin and the AD, and that this is the reason why there was no investigation of that part of the situation? 

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8 minutes ago, Undfan23 said:

What I don’t understand is how the situation can be investigated by UND athletics according to Tiffins press release (included in post) but then not investigated according to the quote by Dodds in the paper? (Also included in post.

Dodds says “there was no complaint filed by Ms Vetter, therefore the university did not investigate” this is in regards to the snapchat photo in which a compliance person allegedly told Vetter the phone was a football players. 

So my main question for discussion is how was it investigated by UND athletics in the Tiffin Statement and then not investigated by the university in the press release? Or is UND saying Ms Vetter made no complaint of the snapchat at the time it was brought to the attention of Tiffin and the AD, and that this is the reason why there was no investigation of that part of the situation? 

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Is there a difference between an “internal investigation” and a “formal investigation”? An internal investigation may have happened without legal repercussions but since vetter didn’t file an official complaint there was no “formal legal investigation” by police? That’s my thoughts anyway. 
 

serious question though. Were any football players kicked off the team around that time? Just might be interesting to know.

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3 hours ago, siouxhockeyaddict said:

Is there a difference between an “internal investigation” and a “formal investigation”? An internal investigation may have happened without legal repercussions but since vetter didn’t file an official complaint there was no “formal legal investigation” by police? That’s my thoughts anyway. 
 

serious question though. Were any football players kicked off the team around that time? Just might be interesting to know.

I don’t know about different investigations within the university, but I find it interesting. The letter Vetter requested was thru UND and the person quoted (Dodds) was a spokes person for UND,  and thenTiffin also represents UND so none of those are the police all just the university.
 

Curious suggestion. I would have no knowledge of this. The only things I found on social media were about transfers, one fb player posted about the transfer portal in February before the incidents occurred and one 2 months after. But there is zero online from UND that I can find about anyone being dismissed and zero even Twitter comment section gossip that I can find on social media suggesting a football player was kicked off. Players transfer all the time. I would think if a fb player was removed One of the girls would use it to help themself because Neither athlete is any longer associated with UND there is no reason not to. I also think to remove someone from a team in a he said she said situation all parties would have to be investigated or UND ran a really crappy investigation. And we know from und’s letter Vetter was never investigated. Is there something you know that would indicate a fb player was kicked off? 

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29 minutes ago, Undfan23 said:

I don’t know about different investigations within the university, but I find it interesting. The letter Vetter requested was thru UND and the person quoted (Dodds) was a spokes person for UND,  and thenTiffin also represents UND so none of those are the police all just the university.
 

Curious suggestion. I would have no knowledge of this. The only things I found on social media were about transfers, one fb player posted about the transfer portal in February before the incidents occurred and one 2 months after. But there is zero online from UND that I can find about anyone being dismissed and zero even Twitter comment section gossip that I can find on social media suggesting a football player was kicked off. Players transfer all the time. I would think if a fb player was removed One of the girls would use it to help themself because Neither athlete is any longer associated with UND there is no reason not to. I also think to remove someone from a team in a he said she said situation all parties would have to be investigated or UND ran a really crappy investigation. And we know from und’s letter Vetter was never investigated. Is there something you know that would indicate a fb player was kicked off? 

No, I’m just trying to put the pieces together as well. Football player was mentioned doing the hacking which would obviously be a breach of the code of conduct. There’s no way they’d keep the football player on the roster if they found out who did it. But like you said, if no investigation then no punishments to hand out I guess. 

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