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Just now, Oxbow6 said:

My apologies......0.009% of Montana resident infected.

Haha. Statistics!  It’s hard to “socially distance” any better than you can in MT!

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6 minutes ago, dynato said:

The same people have already been calling him a racist for years? Not a good battle to pick. Besides. You have your facts backwards. There were still flights from china into the USA up until March 3rd. Only outgoing flights to China were outright banned before February. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-delta-air/major-us-airlines-cancel-china-flights-as-government-steps-up-warnings-idUSKBN1ZU25I

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-china-coronavirus-airlines-business-effects/

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/06/coronavirus-china-becomes-increasingly-isolated-as-airlines-pull-out.html

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/31/us-declares-health-emergency-bans-most-travelers-from-china/

Trump banned foreign from coming to the US from China on 1/31/20.   hence democrats suffered from TDS by NYC officials.

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8 minutes ago, dynato said:

Its not necessarily about the amount of ventilators, but where they are located and who they are currently being used on.  Half those ventilators are for kids too. For adults, this number is 197 per million according to this published medical survey. Going to grand forks, a population of ~60,000 people, that gives grand forks a comparative total of roughly 13 ventilators. I rounded up for you.  These ventilators are still needed for the typical patients. So all it is going to take for our own infrastructure to start struggling is a few severe cases. I posted another article below that is titled "Allocation of Ventilators in a Public Health Disaster", published in 2008, that goes into detail on what medical professionals actually need to deal with on the frontline. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21149215

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/687DAE3F9B11939B5EFD5AB7DA5013B1/S193578930000077Xa.pdf/allocation_of_ventilators_in_a_public_health_disaster.pdf

I personally would not take any advice on a pandemic seriously from some dude on twitter named "EconTalker" who only has a degree in economics, but you do you 

 

Meanwhile....

 

 

....and this after the Senate approved a $2 trillion stimulus package stacked full of needless pork.  

 

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5 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/31/us-declares-health-emergency-bans-most-travelers-from-china/

Trump banned foreign from coming to the US from China on 1/31/20.   hence democrats suffered from TDS by NYC officials.

In the title of your article it even says "bans most" not all.  Flights to and from China were still allowed at the time for business purposes. From your article, arguable the biggest airline in the USA: "Delta plans to wait until Feb. 6 to suspend China operations to help travelers in China leave the country. It said the stoppage will continue through April 30." 

Flights to and from china from USA were still available as late as February 13th:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2020/02/13/you-can-still-fly-us-to-china-if-you-need-to-go/#23b1eaa9637f

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New York Governor going to order everyone to social distance themselves by moving to Montana.

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45 minutes ago, dynato said:

Personally would not take any advice on a pandemic seriously from some dude on twitter named "EconTalker" who only has a degree in economics, but you do you 

You know he posted the sources to the information right?

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47 minutes ago, dynato said:

I personally would not take any advice on a pandemic seriously from some dude on twitter named "EconTalker" who only has a degree in economics, but you do you 

Fair point, although economists are often pretty good at breaking down stats. 

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54 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Reports Montana had its first covid death today as well, FWIW. 

I guess we will now know the exact date Burgum orders us to keep doing the same thing we're currently doing, but with a fancy title.

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1 hour ago, dynato said:

 For adults, this number is 197 per million according to this published medical survey. Going to grand forks, a population of ~60,000 people, that gives grand forks a comparative total of roughly 13 ventilators. I rounded up for you.  These ventilators are still needed for the typical patients. So all it is going to take for our own infrastructure to start struggling is a few severe cases.

Thankfully we are number one per capita for ventilators.

I'd really hate to see those numbers for Italy.

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19 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Thankfully we are number one per capita for ventilators.

I'd really hate to see those numbers for Italy.

I commend Trump for having the most ventilators per capita.  And for shutting off travel from China when he did despite the irresponsible backlash he received. 

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12 minutes ago, Cratter said:

You know he posted the sources to the information right?

He posted links to a published medical journal that talks on why Italy has such high death rates for influenza. Based on numbers of deaths in 2014, 2016, and 2017 to establish a trend. The article was published late in 2019 and the only reason it remotely applies to the corona situation is that Italy has high death rates compared to the rest of the modern world. The supporting information in the article is what I had already touched on earlier - old age, multi generational households, tightly packed cities. I learned this information from Michael Osterholm, who is a world renowned specialist on infectious disease epidemiology. Hes from MN, good guy. Has a non-biased interview with Joe Rogan about infectious diseases worth checking out. I've been reading, and I do actually mean thorough reading, and linking articles like crazy. It doesn't make me an expert by any means, but it does make me well informed enough to comment. This guys bio says he podcaster, author, and filmer, not a medical professional. Anything he comments about the pandemic cannot be taken seriously, much like that of the comments made on this thread. 

-Also looking back, in the post you shared he never claims we are the next Italy. He just points out that the USA is not seeing as crazy of a high death toll and links to a resource for people to understand why. So he actually is contributing to moving the conversation forward - a good thing. 

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28 minutes ago, dynato said:

Also looking back, in the post you shared he never claims we are the next Italy. He just points out that the USA is not seeing as crazy of a high death toll and links to a resource for people to understand why. So he actually is contributing to moving the conversation forward - a good thing. 

Correct. He didn't say we are the next Italy.

That was other experts proclaiming it two weeks ago.

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38 minutes ago, dynato said:

 I learned this information from Michael Osterholm, who is a world renowned specialist on infectious disease epidemiology. Hes from MN, good guy. Has a non-biased interview with Joe Rogan about infectious diseases worth checking out. 

It has already been discussed here when it first came out.

He conservatively estimates 480,000 USA deaths in the next three to seven months.

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Neil Ferguson is also a world renowned specialist in infectious disease epidemiology but I wouldn't have really taken his advice seriously.

But that's just me.

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The Minnesota governor stated Wednesday:

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based on scientific modeling, if no mitigation were put into place, Minnesota's worst-case scenario could be 74,000 deaths from COVID-19.

That math comes out to over 4 million deaths nationwide.

Don't forget he also said 40 to 80% of Minnesotans will get Coronavirus no matter what they do.

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"Forty to 80 percent of us will eventually get this (the virus), even if we shut it down now." 

The best news that will come out of all this....The next time an expert projects 4 million deaths from a pandemic.

We will not even break a sweat. All we have to do is "shelter in place" for a few weeks and that number will drop by at least a multiple of 50.

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After Burgum’s announcement yesterday to order ND daycares to stay open I expect ND to open back up soon. Thanks a lot brown nose Burgum. You make Trump so happy.

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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:

After Burgum’s announcement yesterday to order ND daycares to stay open I expect ND to open back up soon. Thanks a lot brown nose Burgum. You make Trump so happy.

Facts not fear.....but it's obvious what bucket of the two you dive head first into every morning.

 

Politically too.

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35 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Facts not fear.....but it's obvious what bucket of the two you dive head first into every morning.

 

Politically too.

Nah I’m just relieved we live in the non affected middle west farm belt. 

 

Where our hospitals and nursing homes can’t even obtain bleach wipes to keep patients safe. But let’s open things up eh?

 

I’d like to know what facts would you use to justify opening up daycares, encouraging everyone to get back to work, and opening our state up?

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Long live the King.......so brave and bold!!!

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7 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Check this website for the USA and the fatality rate graph.  

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

USA hit the peak 3 weeks ago.  NY is the problem.

Nice. Looks like we’ve got this under control. 

 

Now let’s get 216 plus congressmen in one room to vote!

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2 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Nice. Looks like we’ve got this under control. 

 

Now let’s get 216 plus congressmen in one room to vote!

Just NY delegation .

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39 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Nah I’m just relieved we live in the non affected middle west farm belt. 

 

Where our hospitals and nursing homes can’t even obtain bleach wipes to keep patients safe. But let’s open things up eh?

 

I’d like to know what facts would you use to justify opening up daycares, encouraging everyone to get back to work, and opening our state up?

Give me a specific example. I talked to a number of my old HS and college friends over the past week+ that either are nursing home administators or healthcare providers in ND. Not one gave any report of anything like that. Present something factual..........at some point.

All these N95 masks that no one can find were in ample supply at Menards in Fargo as of this past Sunday. 

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For what it’s worth, I talked to someone very connect to the Governor's office yesterday.  Was told that Doug would much prefer to not issue a shelter in place order.  I got the impression he’ll err on the side of staying the course if the decision is a coin flip...

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3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Give me a specific example. I talked to a number of my old HS and college friends over the past week+ that either are nursing home administators or healthcare providers in ND. Not one gave any report of anything like that. Present something factual..........at some point.

All these N95 masks that no one can find were in ample supply at Menards in Fargo as of this past Sunday. 

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Maybe your connected friends are more worried about their money than understanding their supply chains?

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