TheFlop Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 The point is the precedence this is creating and the complete lack of a big picture view. If West Nile cases spike above normal in the summer are all swimming pools, lakes, and MLB baseball closing down for the balance of Summer? Are routine flu seasons going to become quarantine months every year? History has proven there will always be another disease to scare people. Everyone is comparing the US to Italy....well there is a report out of Italy stating that the actual number of cases may be 10 times greater than what has been reported. If the same applies in the US, which is very possible, what does that say about the actual mortality of this disease? Something worth paying attention to and taking targeted precautions in certain densely populated areas? Sure. Worth crashing an economy over? Nope. Which will be greater.....the number of Corona deaths in the US over the next month or the number of suicides/overdoses/heart attacks of people stressed out over no longer having a job to pay their bills due to corona job loss over the next year? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, jdub27 said: That's fine and I don't disagree, but I'm genuinely curious on what alternative you would propose for the current issue? We can worry about enforcing nanny state laws after this is done with to address the other problems. There is apparently something different in how the experts (who see all the same statistics you keep pointing out) are viewing this vs. other things, so let's take worry about the one right in front of us right now. The problem I am seeing is that the experts are only worried about one thing right now - the virus. The economy is completely collapsing and thousands are losing their jobs. Why can't it a be a 70/30 thing or whatever? Right now it's 100/0. Seems like preparations for opening businesses and such can certainly be a conversation. Do we need to burn our country to the ground over an unknown virus? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, TheFlop said: The point is the precedence this is creating and the complete lack of a big picture view. If West Nile cases spike above normal in the summer are all swimming pools, lakes, and MLB baseball closing down for the balance of Summer? Are routine flu seasons going to become quarantine months every year? History has proven there will always be another disease to scare people. Everyone is comparing the US to Italy....well there is a report out of Italy stating that the actual number of cases may be 10 times greater than what has been reported. If the same applies in the US, which is very possible, what does that say about the actual mortality of this disease? Something worth paying attention to and taking targeted precautions in certain densely populated areas? Sure. Worth crashing an economy over? Nope. Which will be greater.....the number of Corona deaths in the US over the next month or the number of suicides/overdoses/heart attacks of people stressed out over no longer having a job to pay their bills due to corona job loss over the next year? I too worry about the precedent. I worry more that decisions are being made in part due to politics. On the flip side, I am more worried than I was before about the bug. If just 4% of people are getting critically ill, that still feels pretty high to me. If 3/4 of them are old/sick to begin with, you’re still looking at 1% of otherwise healthy people ending up in the hospital if they catch this. Does anyone know what % of influenza infections end up hospitalized? I don’t know anyone who has never had the flu, and I don’t know anyone who has been hospitalized from the flu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: I too worry about the precedent. I worry more that decisions are being made in part due to politics. On the flip side, I am more worried than I was before about the bug. If just 4% of people are getting critically ill, that still feels pretty high to me. If 3/4 of them are old/sick to begin with, you’re still looking at 1% of otherwise healthy people ending up in the hospital if they catch this. Does anyone know what % of influenza infections end up hospitalized? I don’t know anyone who has never had the flu, and I don’t know anyone who has been hospitalized from the flu. This flu season.....1.2% based on the CDC median estimates of total infected and total hospitalized. Last year's flu season was 1.4%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Why is it some states are prepared and some aren’t? so now we hear NY had the chance to buy 16000 ventilators in 2015 and chose not to. you get them 40000 ventilators and who is going to run them how does a state plan for something like this i can’t see where the US can have a stockpile of everything for every state. when this is over there will be hearings until the election on everything trump did wrong, not on what went right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kab said: Why is it some states are prepared and some aren’t? so now we hear NY had the chance to buy 16000 ventilators in 2015 and chose not to. you get them 40000 ventilators and who is going to run them how does a state plan for something like this i can’t see where the US can have a stockpile of everything for every state. when this is over there will be hearings until the election on everything trump did wrong, not on what went right And how is it the federal governments job to dictate what a state procures for itself? I think too many people haven’t familiarized themselves with the constitution. The President isn’t the boss of the states. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, UND1983 said: The problem I am seeing is that the experts are only worried about one thing right now - the virus. The economy is completely collapsing and thousands are losing their jobs. Why can't it a be a 70/30 thing or whatever? Right now it's 100/0. Seems like preparations for opening businesses and such can certainly be a conversation. Do we need to burn our country to the ground over an unknown virus? I agree, you have the virus experts who want to shut everything down as the only solution. And you have others who just want to go on as is, whatever happens, happens. The answer is somewhere in the middle, which I'd argue right now we are closer to 70/30 as there are still plenty of places open that I wouldn't necessarily say are "essential". We're also pretty far from any sort of lockdown in the majority of the country. India is a lot closer to 100/0 right now compared to the US with 1.3 billion people ordered to stay home for 21 days oustide of health care, law enforcement, media, and other essential services. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: And how is it the federal governments job to dictate what a state procures for itself? I think too many people haven’t familiarized themselves with the constitution. The President isn’t the boss of the states. It’s not, that’s my point, the Problem is when states don’t take care of them selves and then blame the feds for not taking care of them 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, UND1983 said: The problem I am seeing is that the experts are only worried about one thing right now - the virus. The economy is completely collapsing and thousands are losing their jobs. Why can't it a be a 70/30 thing or whatever? Right now it's 100/0. Seems like preparations for opening businesses and such can certainly be a conversation. Do we need to burn our country to the ground over an unknown virus? To the dismay of many here Trump looking to restart the economy and open the country back up by Easter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, yzerman19 said: CA closed construction...huge impact on small business That’s one industry that needs to keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: I too worry about the precedent. I worry more that decisions are being made in part due to politics. On the flip side, I am more worried than I was before about the bug. If just 4% of people are getting critically ill, that still feels pretty high to me. If 3/4 of them are old/sick to begin with, you’re still looking at 1% of otherwise healthy people ending up in the hospital if they catch this. Does anyone know what % of influenza infections end up hospitalized? I don’t know anyone who has never had the flu, and I don’t know anyone who has been hospitalized from the flu. I really wish this wasn’t an election year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: To the dismay of many here Trump looking to restart the economy and open the country back up by Easter. Re-opening up the country in time for a Christian holiday? Liberal lawyers everywhere just had simultaneous heart attacks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 No opinion on the effectiveness or feasibility, just passing along. http://www.kmaland.com/news/nebraska-medicine-using-uv-light-to-disinfect-masks-for-reuse/article_ecd5c022-6c6b-11ea-8349-ffffe38edb37.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, farce poobah said: No opinion on the effectiveness or feasibility, just passing along. http://www.kmaland.com/news/nebraska-medicine-using-uv-light-to-disinfect-masks-for-reuse/article_ecd5c022-6c6b-11ea-8349-ffffe38edb37.html UV known to kill viruses. High UV and high humidity beat viruses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 90%? of all jobs are based on people spending money. Even if your job isn't directly affected yet it soon could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, yzerman19 said: UV known to kill viruses. High UV and high humidity beat viruses Better schedule a cruise through the Caribbean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Better schedule a cruise through the Caribbean. You couldn’t pay me to get on a cruise ship right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDMOORHEAD Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/scientists-say-the-coronavirus-is-not-mutating-quickly-and-might-respond-to-a-single-vaccine/ar-BB11EJmL?li=BBnb7Kz This looks promising if they can develop a vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, UNDMOORHEAD said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/scientists-say-the-coronavirus-is-not-mutating-quickly-and-might-respond-to-a-single-vaccine/ar-BB11EJmL?li=BBnb7Kz This looks promising if they can develop a vaccine. It does. Lets hope they can do it. In the meantime, lets get lucky on a treatment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cratter Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Redneksioux said: Can you elaborate why he had to lay off half of his employees in Montana working in the service industry? How did the Coronavirus force him to do that? The governor is forcing a lot of businesses to shut down just like in ND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheFlop Posted March 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Redneksioux said: Can you elaborate why he had to lay off half of his employees in Montana working in the service industry? How did the Coronavirus force him to do that? Have you been watching any news over the last week? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 $4 billion for non-profit museums in NYC. Seems reasonable, right Jerry Nadler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Good read from the conservative WSJ for those of you that think we are on track with having this under control like wuhan or South Korea https://apple.news/AIdIXVDzORaqyE3eDP1B8bg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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