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5 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

Good info- so case growth is similar, but death rate is very different.  Coronavirus deaths tracking same slope as infections where H1N1 was a very different slope on death.  This chart would indicate a lethality far greater than the overall % being described broadly.

No !@#$ sherlock. That's exactly what people have been trying to break the partisan barrier about for the last five days or so. SMH

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22 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

50+ male

20+ female

Both history of domestic travels from hot spot areas

In some days, all it may take is a drive by car to get to a hot spot and in time health care may be over capacity.  Hopefully health care stays healthy.

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It's illegal to go over to your buddies place if you live in San Francisco.

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2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

As of tomorrow our system will be scrubbing all non-essential outpatient clinic visits from all departments for 3 weeks......to start.

Also, while I understand it here, I think they're majorly jumping the gun for you guys.  Unless you have a !@#$ ton of cases that I'm not aware of.  Those sort of cancellations didn't start happening here until early this week, and we're notably ahead of you in terms of community spread.

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3 minutes ago, Cratter said:

It's illegal to go over to your buddies place in San Francisco.

Right! Anyone find it ironic that THAT is now illegal in that cesspool.

Guess that reduces one's risk of stepping on a needle or a pile of feces.

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15 minutes ago, keikla said:

We suspended non-essential procedures and surgeries, as has almost every hospital here.  I get it, cause our ASU and PACU beds are being converted to inpatient beds, but I also feel sick over the fact that if this goes on for a few months, that suspension of services could be life or death for someone who needs a scan or biopsy to catch cancer sooner.

And I should note that I have seen elective surgeries cancelled before for a really bad flu season cause we needed the ASU/PACU beds.  It was several years ago, and I wasn't in NY then, but it's not completely unprecedented.  I think we suspended for a week just to make it through the worst.

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2 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Right! Anyone find it ironic that THAT is now illegal in that cesspool. Guess you reduce you risk stepping on a needle nor a pile of feces.

What percentage of San Francisco residents do you think leave needles in the street, or defecate in the street? Yet you generalize and call the entire metro area a cesspool? Keep it classy North Dakota.

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3 minutes ago, keikla said:

Also, while I understand it here, I think they're majorly jumping the gun for you guys.  Unless you have a !@#$ ton of cases that I'm not aware of.  Those sort of cancellations didn't start happening here until early this week, and we're notably ahead of you in terms of community spread.

Agree

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3 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

What percentage of San Francisco residents do you think leave needles in the street, or defecate in the street? Yet you generalize and call the entire metro area a cesspool? Keep it classy North Dakota.

We will.

#legendary

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Since we're "flattening the curve," thus prolonging how long the virus will be around.

This will last a lot longer than other pandemics.

Calls are already being made not to open schools in the fall.

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7 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Since we're "flattening the curve," thus prolonging how long the virus will be around.

This will last a lot longer than other pandemics.

Calls are already being made not to open schools in the fall.

Then the "regular" flu season hits........are our kids ever going back to class with their peers? 

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I watched CNN tonight and got an expert lesson in Fear Mongering 101.  It was amazing.  Anyone who watched that show and the "expert" they had on should be convinced that the minimum number of deaths in the U.S. will be "hundreds of thousands, if not millions" and the administration should have been more like Hong Kong in their reaction.  

The entire show all negative, all doomsday.  

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2 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Then the "regular" flu season hits........are our kids ever going back to class with their peers? 

January 20, 2021

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1 hour ago, Cratter said:

Enough that the city has a designated a poop patrol.

Enough that virtually everyone knows it's a major problem in SF that many articles are written about it.

People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

It's pretty much in areas that you wouldn't want to visit anyways.  I visit regularly and have only encountered it in/near the Tenderloin and parts of downtown.

Also, a good amount of the homeless on the west coast are vets from working class families in the Midwest/south who were lazily prescribed opiates by the VA to deal with the gift that keeps giving. Support our troops.....until their PTSD gets the best of them.

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I get the politics in this thread - does show some true colors.    But, I don't get the plan ???
Something about this fast spreading Covid-19 just doesn't make sense. Can it really be all about to flatten the curve in turn for a longer torture, or will many die?
Governments making such a BIG deal of this virus along with putting the economies of the world at risk, like something really big isn't being told here.
 

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1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

I watched CNN tonight and got an expert lesson in Fear Mongering 101.  It was amazing.  Anyone who watched that show and the "expert" they had on should be convinced that the minimum number of deaths in the U.S. will be "hundreds of thousands, if not millions" and the administration should have been more like Hong Kong in their reaction.  

The entire show all negative, all doomsday.  

That’s where the panic and misinformation posted online originates.  I just read an article posted today that again mentioned ‘Trump called the coronavirus a hoax.’   18 days after they deliberately misquoted him, they’re still pushing that lie, still pushing that narrative to lead people to think we’re all gonna die, all for the sake of maybe gaining a few votes.  Pathetic. 

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50 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

I get the politics in this thread - does show some true colors.    But, I don't get the plan ???
Something about this fast spreading Covid-19 just doesn't make sense. Can it really be all about to flatten the curve in turn for a longer torture, or will many die?
Governments making such a BIG deal of this virus along with putting the economies of the world a risk, like something really big isn't being told here.
 

If you go full tinfoil hat, there are corners of the internet that believe this is a bio weapon that leaked.  That it and other dangerous bio agents were stolen from a Canadian lab in Winnipeg and brought to a Wuhan lab.  

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21 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

If you go full tinfoil hat, there are corners of the internet that believe this is a bio weapon that leaked.  That it and other dangerous bio agents were stolen from a Canadian lab in Winnipeg and brought to a Wuhan lab.  

Heard something like that as well.

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9 hours ago, Kermit's Luck said:

No !@#$ sherlock. That's exactly what people have been trying to break the partisan barrier about for the last five days or so. SMH

There are many variables and partial pieces of information out there.  The entertainment media is not providing news.  The lethality as a whole is in question based on locations and demographics of those dying.  I was reacting to a particular chart comparing H1N1.  
 

It behooves us to question the narratives and to seek multiple sources of information and data in order to fully comprehend the situation.  
 

Your response is that of someone who is most certain they have all the answers.  I can assure you that in this case you do not and That you would do well to seek more info before passionately holding a position.  
 

Data and responses to this are extremely fluid.  With 100 cases nationwide (fatal cases)  and a disproportionate share impacting nursing homes, there is a lot to be discovered.  The lethality numbers look different, because the outset of the H1N1 was not centered around an assisted living facility in Kirkland, WA nor cruise ships.  

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5 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

I get the politics in this thread - does show some true colors.    But, I don't get the plan ???
Something about this fast spreading Covid-19 just doesn't make sense. Can it really be all about to flatten the curve in turn for a longer torture, or will many die?
Governments making such a BIG deal of this virus along with putting the economies of the world a risk, like something really big isn't being told here.
 

I’m not a huge conspiracy person by any means, but believing our government tells us the complete truth on anything is a fair statement to think about sometimes. Whether it’s this, other medical stuff, the economy, etc.

It feels like a real life game of Survivor with our government: “Outwit, Outlast, Outplay”. The truth is unfortunately somewhere in between the extremes. That’s just my opinion.

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13 hours ago, dlsiouxfan said:

If a person presents with symptoms and is negative for the flu and other diseases can they be tested for Covid19?  Can nurses, doctors, EMT's and other personnel who are exposed to Covid19 be tested?  They absolutely cannot in most metropolitan areas and absolutely cannot be tested in the state of Minnesota per the Minnesota Department of Health's statement in the Star tribune today.   That's unacceptable.  

Also I call BS on your statement that insulting people who disagree with your opinions is what led to Trump's election.  Insulting his political opponents is all that he does as evidenced by him going after the Democratic Governor's of Michigan, Illinois, and Washington for defying him politically.  If he'd devoted one-tenth of his attention to this epidemic as he does to insulting people on Twitter and at his hate rally's we wouldn't be in this place.

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12 hours ago, iramurphy said:

I don’t listen to Trump cuz I can’t stand to listen to him. You seem to think when I expect normal intelligent people to act civilized I am making any supportive/critical  comment about Trump or our other politicians. I’m not because it’s not the time or place.  
The issue is how best to deal with this virus. You have zero basis to claim we wouldn’t be in the situation we are in if not for him. It is divisive and counterproductive. 
In answer to your question, yes we can be tested. One of my colleagues was tested last week because of possible exposure. One of my patients was tested yesterday and we didn’t ask the state for permission. We are setting up a drive up testing station and will soon be able to do the testing in our small rural hospital here in Minnesota. 
I have no idea what people in the metro area are doing, but if we can do these things in rural hospitals in Minnesota then the big city physicians should be able to figure it out. 
There is no indication for everyone  to be tested. We follow the guidelines recommended by Infectious Disease specialists and the CDC. I’ve only taken care of over 100,000 patients over the years. I have ER, ICU, Combat experience and I don’t know how the response team acted and reacted. How do you know so much. How many patients do you care for?  Are you on the Trump team with first hand info?  
I don’t have all of the answers,  but I’m learning. I will attend a briefing at 7 am to update our local protocols and evaluate what we are doing well and where we need to improve. I am going to log in to a live Mayo Clinic presentation tomorrow afternoon that includes an Infectious Disease update. My sister in law is a recognized world authority on tuberculosis and has a lengthy list of publications on TB but also other Infectious Diseases including Ebola.  She has done contract work for the CDC and speaks to government health departments all over the world on tuberculosis.  I get my info from those sources not the Star Tribune. 
With all of that, you seem to know more about all of this than I and other medical people.  We would be happy to pay you to come here and give us a presentation on COVID-19. 
 

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7 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

If you go full tinfoil hat, there are corners of the internet that believe this is a bio weapon that leaked.  That it and other dangerous bio agents were stolen from a Canadian lab in Winnipeg and brought to a Wuhan lab.  

Chinese misinformation campaign meant to cause discord and distrust in the USA and to shift the blame from where it lies, China.

If we take one thing from this it's that China cannot be trusted and we have got to stop doing business with them.  They lied about the outbreak, lied about the numbers, did not contain it, and now are still not forthcoming with information that we could use to stop it here.  We need to cut China off.

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I still cannot seem to get past the fact this went down in the biggest election year we've ever had, with an embattled incumbent who cherishes the economy.  Ah, probably a coinkydink

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