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1 minute ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Mocking your intellect is a liberal taking point? 

You're a legend in your own mind. 

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5 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Sounds like a personal responsibility issue.  Those with access to old people should be more careful/be tested often and the facility should tighten their procedures.  Shouldn't cause a volleyball team of high school kids to miss two weeks of games.  

It is a personal responsibility issue that the whole community is responsible for. 
 

Tell us what triggered the volleyball team to miss two weeks of games?

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6 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

It is a personal responsibility issue that the whole community is responsible for. 
 

Tell us what triggered the volleyball team to miss two weeks of games?

#1 It's the personal responsibility of those that will come in contact with those that are vulnerable that can't protect themselves (like those in nursing homes).  For those that aren't locked into a controlled setting, the personal responsibility falls onto the person that is vulnerable (but can make their own decisions to minimize their risk).

#2 It was triggered by chicken littles like yourself that believe that just because you are too scared to partake in an activity that no one else should be able to either.  

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18 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Michigan and North Carolina election officials remind voters that voting twice is illegal after Trump suggests itn AG on Trump comments: Don't vote twice and remember don't drink bleach
By Chandelis Duster, CNN  31 mins ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michigan-and-north-carolina-election-officials-remind-voters-that-voting-twice-is-illegal-after-trump-suggests-itn-ag-on-trump-comments-don-t-vote-twice-and-remember-don-t-drink-bleach/ar-BB18G8ja?ocid=msedgdhp

It's like the kids game of telephone.  Trump says something off the cuff that is kinda goofy or weird.  It gets passed through multiple iterations of media/social media... and all of a sudden he told people to drink bleach or some other completely untruthful spin on the original statement.

I find it odd that Trump and Biden are doing the exact some thing concerning the unrest.  They both "bothside" the violence and don't specifically denounce the violence  by the fringes of the left and right respectively.  The left jumps on Trump, and the right jumps on Biden, but they are both saying literally the exact same thing.

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11 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

#1 It's the personal responsibility of those that will come in contact with those that are vulnerable that can't protect themselves (like those in nursing homes).  For those that aren't locked into a controlled setting, the personal responsibility falls onto the person that is vulnerable (but can make their own decisions to minimize their risk).

#2 It was triggered by chicken littles like yourself that believe that just because you are too scared to partake in an activity that no one else should be able to either.  

Here we go with name calling again. Maybe we can get another meltdown?
 

1. yes those that come into contact have the responsibility but the more widespread the virus has spread would you agree the less control those have over whether they become infected or not? This is why there is a community responsibility to reduce the spread.

 

2. what exactly happened that made them cancel games for two weeks. It definitely wasn’t my doing on siouxsports.

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13 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

#1 It's the personal responsibility of those that will come in contact with those that are vulnerable that can't protect themselves (like those in nursing homes).  For those that aren't locked into a controlled setting, the personal responsibility falls onto the person that is vulnerable (but can make their own decisions to minimize their risk).

Although I'd like it to be able to work this way, what does the nursing home RN do with her high school aged child?  How about her husband who's employed at Simplot or LM?  

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2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

An unstable president, like Trump, is a great concern for members of our armed forces.  Knowing that our enemies pay bounties on them and the orange turd does and says nothing has to be killing morale.

 

Unstable...lol You're unstable Soyboy.

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5 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

This pretty much wraps up why I will not vote for TRUMP.

New York Daily News
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/commentary-donald-trump-the-immoralist/ar-BB18FudK?ocid=msedgntp
ethical matters have been implicit in innumerable criticisms of Trump: his routine lying, his violation of fundamental political norms, his disregard for constitutional limits, his blatant obstruction of the coming election, his errant policies and taste for chaos.

But we clarify and deepen our judgment of Trump by bringing to it a specifically moral dimension. There are, of course, a multitude of vices of character, religious and secular, that could apply, as well as elaborate systems of ethical principles. They emphasize that Trump’s immorality, enhanced by his enablers, degrades democracy in America.

We begin with indecency. Trump’s modus vivendi is to taint, defame and libel fellow Americans, precisely because they exhibit decency and fair-mindedness — people like Sen. John McCain, the grieving Gold Star parents Khizr and Ghazala Khan, honorable career officials like ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Anyone admired who is not admiring of him is liable to be attacked in repugnant terms with obscene gestures. Truth-tellers who question him — journalists or scientists — are met with unremitting assaults on their honesty and professional reputation. Trump also levels vicious attacks on entire groups, including immigrants, protesters and Democratic “scum.”

Presidential indecency radiates throughout society. Its distinctive damage to democracy is that it sets an all-pervasive environment of disrespect and dehumanization. Trump’s targets are divested of every dimension of fellow citizenship. His unrestrained attacks remove inhibitions on violence. They suppress the negotiations and mutuality that democracy assumes and cannot work without.

Cruelty goes further. It lies in his infliction of pain and suffering. Trump seeks not only to combat but to destroy those he sees as opponents. He seeks to bring about a break in their life trajectory: separating immigrant children from their parents, firing a career professional who turns whistleblower. There is lethal cruelty in his insistence on opening up society in the face of resurgent outbreaks of COVID-19: his readiness to sacrifice for his personal electoral advantage thousands of people who will sicken and die from the virus.

As a result, people in public life fear his power to destroy their careers, and ordinary citizens fear his erratic and destructive behavior and the harm it may do them. A fearful citizenry becomes passive, immobilized and isolated.

Recklessness, or carelessness, consists of Trump’s complete lack of concern about the consequences of his speech and actions for others. It amplifies indecency and cruelty. Taking the word careless literally, we can say that our president fails to take care of the people and institutions of his country. The result of presidential carelessness is to make all policies ad hoc, all institutions disordered, all public expectations of continuity disrupted.

We see this, again, most clearly in his pandemic response, including Trump’s advocacy of the ineffective and dangerous drug hydroxychloroquine, disparagement of medical authorities, encouraging followers to reject elementary precautions like wearing masks, and most reckless of all, provoking protests for “liberation” from public health imperatives.

Trump’s indecency, cruelty and carelessness have no limits. It leads to our judgment that not only Trump’s discrete acts but the man and his entire presidency are immoral and a disaster for democracy. Directly confronting America’s descent into immorality is a necessary step in national renewal.

 

5 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

LOL - Give me a break - who's been trying to destroy  President Thump since day one.  As far as McCain and others they started the criticism and Thump hits back.  He's not W who let the left walk all over him and didn't say a word.  This article is a joke.  

LOL - Give me a break

Newsweek
Former GOP Governors Lead Nearly 100 Republican and Independent Politicians in Coalition Backing Joe Biden
Jason Lemon  1 hr ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/former-gop-governors-lead-nearly-100-republican-and-independent-politicians-in-coalition-backing-joe-biden/ar-BB18G8zg?ocid=msedgdhp

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40 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Although I'd like it to be able to work this way, what does the nursing home RN do with her high school aged child?  How about her husband who's employed at Simplot or LM?  

Which takes us back to the question that Redneck refuses to answer, what is acceptable?  Because in your above scenario, if you are worried about your kid getting it and spreading it.....sign the kid up for online learning and don't let him/her participate in any extracurriculars....but don't dictate that same expectation on me.  As for the husband at Simplot, double down on safety precautions and if you still don't feel adequately able to protect yourself then maybe a new job is needed.  Even with everyone doing everything right, people will still get it in those situations so stop cancelling life in an effort to hit an unattainable (and constantly moving) goal.    

 

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2 hours ago, Goon said:

Do you have the montage of Right-Leaning politicians and media people calling for unrest and violence. By all means, please post it if you do. 
I will again, hang up and listen. In the mean time, I will drop this little nugget. Nineteen minutes after his swearing in, the Washington Compost was calling for President Trump's impeachment. 

The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun

 
 

 

1 hour ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

If you don't have this very specific request distilled into an easily consumed video catered to the lumpenproletariat, then I don't believe you!

Anyone capable of critical thinking will agree that Trump is fanning the flames.


You don’t even need common sense to understand this.  All you need is eyes and ears.  

In Trump’s recent press conference he not only refused to condemn the right-wing thugs in Portland, he justified their actions.  


If you don’t think this flat out incites violence, I have a bridge to sell you.  

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4 hours ago, Goon said:

I don't think that's what he's talking about. I heard the hosts talking about this on Fox this morning.

You are aware that FOX spins his comments?
FOX anchors have their hands full with Trump comments in downplaying or neutralizing them.
A kind of spin that is unpresedented.
 

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You do know Trump was compalining about voter fraud over the last month, now yesterday asking his supporters to vote twice.

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2 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Which takes us back to the question that Redneck refuses to answer, what is acceptable?  Because in your above scenario, if you are worried about your kid getting it and spreading it.....sign the kid up for online learning and don't let him/her participate in any extracurriculars....but don't dictate that same expectation on me.  As for the husband at Simplot, double down on safety precautions and if you still don't feel adequately able to protect yourself then maybe a new job is needed.  Even with everyone doing everything right, people will still get it in those situations so stop cancelling life in an effort to hit and unattainable (and constantly moving) goal.    

Who is going to want to work for a nursing home in that situation? Does Oxbow need to quit his job in the medical field or just tell his children they can't leave the house again?

I don't agree with cancelling life.  We should never go through another lockdown.  But testing, finding, and quarantining asymptomatic people who may spread the virus seems like a reasonable responsibility for the community to accept under the current circumstances.

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2 hours ago, Goon said:

 

Advocacy groups calling for impeachment?  No way!!    C'mon, this is par-for-the-course for every President.   Hell, Obama actually had PAC trying to impeach him from early on (LaRouche).
     

Trump is the biggest Victim Card player around.     

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11 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Who is going to want to work for a nursing home in that situation? Does Oxbow need to quit his job in the medical field or just tell his children they can't leave the house again?

I don't agree with cancelling life.  We should never go through another lockdown.  But testing, finding, and quarantining asymptomatic people who may spread the virus seems like a reasonable responsibility for the community to accept under the current circumstances.

From the sound of it Oxbow has made educated decisions based on the information available and determined what is reasonable and isn't reasonable and chosen to live his life....so bad example there.  He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming he does what he can to sanitize and wear the proper equipment at his job, but even so there is no way to eliminate the chance that he could pass something on to a patient.  

The fallacy of your testing argument is....I could be tested today at noon, catch Covid from the UPS driver handing me a package at 1pm....but my test results tomorrow would still come back negative.  Too many people think that a negative test result somehow lasts until your next test, which it doesn't.  

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Just now, TheFlop said:

The fallacy of your testing argument is....I could be tested today at noon, catch Covid from the UPS driver handing me a package at 1pm....but my test results tomorrow would still come back negative.  Too many people think that a negative test result somehow lasts until your next test, which it doesn't.  

Of course it doesn't, but if you tested positive, you would know not to have direct contact with the UPS driver.  It's a battle of attrition.

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11 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

You are aware that FOX spins his comments?
FOX anchors have their hands full with Trump comments in downplaying or neutralizing them.
A kind of spin that is unprecedented.
 

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We can play this game all day long. What's your point? Constipated News Network and MSDNC are also slanted to the extreme left. It would appear in this situation that they misrepresented the president in this situation. My God, I am surprised you missed OAN. 

 

 

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35 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Which takes us back to the question that Redneck refuses to answer, what is acceptable?  

I would like to know, too. 

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7 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Of course it doesn't, but if you tested positive, you would know not to have direct contact with the UPS driver.  It's a battle of attrition.

You mean if you test positive there is a 60-70% chance you are actually positive?  .....or if you text negative there is also a considerable chance you really aren't negative?  If you want to participate in a war of attrition have at it, but for the vast majority of Americans it is unnecessary.  

Once again, what is acceptable?  How long?  With the understanding it will never disappear, 5 years from now if one kid gets Covid does his/her entire class lose 2 weeks of class/sports?  

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5 minutes ago, Goon said:

I would like to know, too. 

I'll be happy when TheFlop throws another tantrum. Acceptable enough for me:)

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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:

It is a personal responsibility issue that the whole community is responsible for. 

What does that even mean? I am responsible for me and me only. I am also responsible for my 13-year-old child. 

Personally, I chose to wear a mask when I go into stores and buildings. If others don't want to wear a mask, so be it. It's called FREEDOM. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Goon said:

We can play this game all day long. What's your point? Constipated News Network and MSDNC are also slanted to the extreme left. It would appear in this situation that they misrepresented the president in this situation. My God, I am surprised you missed OAN. 

Voting twice is illegal.

Your supporting Trumpets' reguest.

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1 minute ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Voting twice is illegal.

Your supporting Trumpets' reguest.

You aren't particularly intelligent, are you?

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6 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

I'll be happy when TheFlop throws another tantrum. Acceptable enough for me:)

Yet another non answer.

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1 minute ago, Goon said:

What does that even mean? I am responsible for me and me only. I am also responsible for my 13-year-old child. 

Personally, I chose to wear a mask when I go into stores and buildings. If others don't want to wear a mask, so be it. It's called FREEDOM. 

 

You don’t get it do you? If you get behind the wheel drunk as a skunk with your thirteen your old in the back seat are you endangering only your and your child’s lives?

 

And it’s not called freedom, it’s called following the guidelines of whose property you are on. Don’t like it and you will be trespassed. You get that don’t you?

 

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