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5 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

What football and volleyball games are they speaking of?

Those arent football games, they are protests and funeral services in remberence of certain people. 

Those things are immune from virus transmission. Just so happens they use a sacred orb that both teams seeknto acquire in order to share their feelings, fears, and frustrations.

Speaking of the guy in Minnesota, that bodycam footage that was released sure makes one question whether the dumb AG over there is going to get any convictions out of this lol

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To label the MHD anything short of a collective group of ass clowns is a compliment. 

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1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said:

Sure.  As long as you promise not to blast a water cannon at me or shoot me in the leg. 

You're not a commie, are you?

Based upon your behavior and general lack of maturity, if someone ever asks you to stand in front of a water cannon but they promise not to shoot you with it......word of advice....don't believe them. 

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/governor-cuomo-begs-wealthy-yorkers-150935434.html

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Governor Cuomo begs wealthy New Yorkers to come home to save ailing city.....

“They’re not coming back right now. And you know what else they’re thinking, if I stay there, they pay a lower income tax because they don’t pay the New York City surcharge. So, that would be a bad place if we had to go there.”

 

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39 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

To label the MHD anything short of a collective group of ass clowns is a compliment. 

I’m going to start recruiting for my 4th grade flag football team now.  

Will be interesting to see the new names on ND/SD varsity football rosters this fall.  

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8 hours ago, Redneksioux said:

Can you give us an example of anyone here praising violence? The only posts I recall is one by Goon with a video of men physically beating supposed antifa guys. There were also some poster idolizing using water cannons or shooting protesters in the leg? I guess we could consider those that are adamantly anti mask somewhat violent as these actions and decisions can be deadly to people. On top of that we have republicans trying to dismantle millions of people’s’ health insurance plans. Maybe this is considered a humane form of deadly though?

 

”this is their new hoax” would better summarize the republican outcry over antifa. Yeah it’s a thing. In a couple cities on a couple streets. Guess what though, covid is still here, killing more people and now spreading rampantly in the Midwest. But let’s focus on a few idiots in Portland?

As opposed to the millions that lost their insurance when the ACA was enacted?????   Plus the millions whose insurance premiums doubled or tripled and could no longer afford the great insurance they had before.

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Healthcare reform has always targeted the wrong animal.  Insurance was never the issue.  It was the scapegoat.

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17 minutes ago, bison73 said:

As opposed to the millions that lost their insurance when the ACA was enacted?????   Plus the millions whose insurance premiums doubled or tripled and could no longer afford the great insurance they had before.

Who lost their health insurance when the ACA was enacted? And of those why were they not able to get a plan through the ACA? And how can you blame the ACA specifically for doubling or tripling rates? Remember rates were on the rise before the ACA was enacted. 

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1 hour ago, bison73 said:

As opposed to the millions that lost their insurance when the ACA was enacted?????   Plus the millions whose insurance premiums doubled or tripled and could no longer afford the great insurance they had before.

Also, aliens have put a probe in your butt and have control of your computer keyboard.  

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/

The reality is that after ACA was enacted, uninsured Americans decreased.  When Trump took over, it went up.

"The number of uninsured nonelderly Americans decreased from over 46.5 million in 2010 (the year the ACA was enacted) to just below 27 million in 2016. However, for the second year in a row, the number of uninsured people increased from 2017 to 2018 by nearly 500,000 people." 

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43 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Who lost their health insurance when the ACA was enacted? And of those why were they not able to get a plan through the ACA? And how can you blame the ACA specifically for doubling or tripling rates? Remember rates were on the rise before the ACA was enacted. 

I''m a partner in a small business.  We pay for the insurance of our 15 or so employees and their families.  The middle/upper-middle class folks that earn between 60K-300k got hosed.  Below that you get subsidized.  Above that and the monthly cost is palatable relative to the income level.  Sucks to be the guy earning 80k-120k who has to pay $1200/month for crappy insurance.  Even more so for the boss that is paying that for all his employees.

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12 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Also, aliens have put a probe in your butt and have control of your computer keyboard.  

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/

The reality is that after ACA was enacted, uninsured Americans decreased.  When Trump took over, it went up.

"The number of uninsured nonelderly Americans decreased from over 46.5 million in 2010 (the year the ACA was enacted) to just below 27 million in 2016. However, for the second year in a row, the number of uninsured people increased from 2017 to 2018 by nearly 500,000 people." 

Have you ever thought it is because it is unaffordable for the middle class?   Maybe people are making a choice not to pay for it because it’s expensive for both the businesses and the employees.  If I was in my 20’s-40’s with no kids Id consider not paying for it either   Does your article break it down by age group? 

It’s not because of what Trump has done no matter how much you wish it true.  It was set in motion before he got there.  I’ve said it before, prices for the meds my family needs have actually finally come down since ACA was put in place.  People paying these notice it.  Talk to any diabetic person or family.  

 

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2 minutes ago, homer said:

Have you ever thought it is because it is unaffordable for the middle class?   Maybe people are making a choice not to pay for it because it’s expensive for both the businesses and the employees.  If I was in my 20’s-40’s with no kids Id consider not paying for it either   Does your article break it down by age group? 

It’s not because of what Trump has done no matter how much you wish it true.  It was set in motion before he got there.  I’ve said it before, prices for the meds my family needs have actually finally come down since ACA was put in place.  People paying these notice it.  Talk to any diabetic person or family.  

 

Trump had the ACA's health insurance mandate axed. You don't think this caused the uninsured count to rise?

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20 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

I''m a partner in a small business.  We pay for the insurance of our 15 or so employees and their families.  The middle/upper-middle class folks that earn between 60K-300k got hosed.  Below that you get subsidized.  Above that and the monthly cost is palatable relative to the income level.  Sucks to be the guy earning 80k-120k who has to pay $1200/month for crappy insurance.  Even more so for the boss that is paying that for all his employees.

Healthcare is expensive and that's wonderful that you pay the cost of insurance for your employees and their families. So if Trump is successful in eliminating the ACA, where will they get their health insurance from?

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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:

Who lost their health insurance when the ACA was enacted? And of those why were they not able to get a plan through the ACA? And how can you blame the ACA specifically for doubling or tripling rates? Remember rates were on the rise before the ACA was enacted. 

Millions lost the insurance that they crafted for what they wanted and for what they could afford because their insurance didnt meet the ACA guidlines.

. Millions lost insurance when companies found out it was cheaper to pay the penalty than the ACA premiums.

Your comment on rising premiums is nothing more than deflection and trying to justify the ACA, premiums..

When my wife was getting close to retirement we wanted the same coverage she was getting at the hospital. WE were quoted 391.00 a month for her alone.  She retired 6 months later after the ACA was enacted. The premium was now 864.00 . Cobra which nobody takes because it is so cost prohibitive  was 600+. Crazy huh.  So we did the COBRA thing for 18 months until that expired.  Premium was now 900+ . Two years later its 1,200.00. The next year BC/BS dropped everyone in the state.

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7 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Trump had the ACA's health insurance mandate axed. You don't think this caused the uninsured count to rise?

Agreed.  That elimination allowed people to choose whether to insure themselves or not.  In a quasi-free market, more people are choosing not to spend money on insurance that doesn't cover as much as it used to even though it is much more expensive.  I don't think Trump is awful for restoring that choice, but looking at the raw data, there are more uninsured Americans now.

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15 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Trump had the ACA's health insurance mandate axed. You don't think this caused the uninsured count to rise?

Yes, because they chose not to pay the prices required to have insurance that doesn’t cover as much.  Carrying insurance or paying a tax not to have it never should have been a requirement, it’s a choice.  

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27 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

I''m a partner in a small business.  We pay for the insurance of our 15 or so employees and their families.  The middle/upper-middle class folks that earn between 60K-300k got hosed.  Below that you get subsidized.  Above that and the monthly cost is palatable relative to the income level.  Sucks to be the guy earning 80k-120k who has to pay $1200/month for crappy insurance.  Even more so for the boss that is paying that for all his employees.

Heres the trick on the supposed great ACA insurance. For most of the population that received subsidies they couldnt really afford to use the insurance. How the hell can a family who has a silver policy needing subsidies to pay their premiums be able to pay deductibles of 5-10k???????  THats right they cant. The ACA was a scam constructed to be so unworkable that it would eventually lead to a single payer system.  Then the American taxpayer got hosed further when it was reveled that Oscama had guaranteed the companies that participated  in this ideology boondoggle that they wouldnt lose any money.

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17 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Healthcare is expensive and that's wonderful that you pay the cost of insurance for your employees and their families. So if Trump is successful in eliminating the ACA, where will they get their health insurance from?

JUst like they did before in a free market.

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2 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Healthcare is expensive and that's wonderful that you pay the cost of insurance for your employees and their families. So if Trump is successful in eliminating the ACA, where will they get their health insurance from?

Presumable we'd continue with BCBS as we always have.  The private policy options changed with the implementing of the ACA.   We considered dropping coverage for some of the lower paid individuals and paying them the equivalent of the discount rate they could potentially get through the ACA marketplace.   It's a mess, but it is not questionable that the middle class is getting screwed by having to pay higher premiums, or having a lower income because their employer is paying a higher cost for their benefits.

If someone is being subsidized, someone is paying for it.  Whether that trade off of hurting the middle class is worth it is a valid debate.

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27 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Trump had the ACA's health insurance mandate axed. You don't think this caused the uninsured count to rise?

So?????? Why are you forcing people to buy a product they may not want?   Plus why should I have to pay for somebody elses premiums?

 

Heath insurance does not equate to  healthcare.

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13 minutes ago, homer said:

Yes, because they chose not to pay the prices required to have insurance that doesn’t cover as much.  Carrying insurance or paying a tax not to have it never should have been a requirement, it’s a choice.  

Thay had to FORCE people to make it feasible. Big red flag.

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34 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Trump had the ACA's health insurance mandate axed. You don't think this caused the uninsured count to rise?

Insurance isn't much of a benefit if you can't afford to use it.

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7 minutes ago, bison73 said:

So?????? Why are you forcing people to buy a product they may not want?   Plus why should I have to pay for somebody elses premiums?

 

Heath insurance does not equate to  healthcare.

You don’t want health insurance? So maybe you can just pay the hospital out of pocket when you go since they can’t legally deny you service? How about the next guy that decides not to pay the hospital? Is the hospital just supposed to eat that as a loss?

 

I understand health insurance is not healthcare. It’s how we pay for healthcare.

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