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1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:

Prices have gone up for every plan, but this started well before the ACA was introduced. The individual mandate was supposed to help push everyone to get insured, after all you can’t legally drive without car insurance so why should you be able to access healthcare without health insurance. Yet the mandate was found unconstitutional by the right wingers. What would happen to your car insurance rates of responsible drivers no longer were required to be insured?
 

Thankfully Obama was able to rush the ACA through quicker than trump’s health plan. 
It’s four years later, where are these more affordable and better options?

My prices were consistent on prescriptions before ACA and the options for insulin were far greater and coverage was better.  Things have changed since ACA, for some it’s been better, for me its been for the worse although prices have been better the last year and a few more options are available.  

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24 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Not sure what you’re asking. You seem to be arguing the opposite point and making my point. Things that you don’t have a choice about shouldn’t be mandated and have people forced to pay for them. If you are forced by law to pay for a product Or service, it’s a tax and should be treated that way when it’s being discussed by our representatives.

If having a body is inherent to life and this makes any product you are required to purchase a tax, wouldn't this apply to food just as it applies to health insurance?

 

I guess we could always choose to just go without food, like one could choose to go without healthcare. 

 

Makes perfect sense.

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6 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

If having a body is inherent to life and this makes any product you are required to purchase a tax, wouldn't this apply to food just as it applies to health insurance?

 

I guess we could always choose to just go without food, like one could choose to go without healthcare. 

 

Makes perfect sense.

When I say required, I’m using the legal definition of that word.

You are not legally required to buy food. You can grow your own, you can hunt, you can fish. Obviously not viable for most people, but the point is, nobody from the government is forcing a consenting adult to buy food. 

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19 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Ah, I see. 

In other words, Trumptards can dish it out but cannot take it. 

Not my problem..

It's the equivalent of the N word, the exact equivalent.  Take a step back bud, you're getting a little intense about things.  

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3 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

It's the equivalent of the N word, the exact equivalent.  Take a step back bud, you're getting a little intense about things.  

Funny how I'm singled out for this use of Trumptard. 

Hmmm.. 

I guess "libtard" is just fine with you.  Never saw a complaint about that. 

Selective in your outrage, aren't you?  Well, that is the Trumptard way. 

Lol. 

 

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Hey look, Oxbow crapped on another thread with politics.

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10 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Funny how I'm singled out for this use of Trumptard. 

Hmmm.. 

I guess "libtard" is just fine with you.  Never saw a complaint about that. 

Selective in your outrage, aren't you?  Well, that is the Trumptard way. 

Lol. 

 

Was just going to type that anybody using it at the end of a word should probably grow up.

Lol.  Cause it's really funny to use that word. 

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15 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

Hey look, Oxbow crapped on another thread with politics.

Demographics are now political too? Interesting.......who knew?

Was actually expecting  more from you. Thought you'd go with the racism card.

 

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By the way, nobody has to guess or imagine what the Ds would do if they are in charge of the House/Senate/Presidency regarding voting.  

HR1 - https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/1/text

  • automatic voter registration
  • ends partisan gerrymandering for federal elections
  • funds for election security

No voting for illegals.  No voting for incarcerated felons.

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15 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Was just going to type that anybody using it at the end of a word should probably grow up.

Lol.  Cause it's really funny to use that word. 

So, you think it's funny exposing your hypocrisy?

So do I.  We have that in common...

Lol

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37 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

When I say required, I’m using the legal definition of that word.

You are not legally required to buy food. You can grow your own, you can hunt, you can fish. Obviously not viable for most people, but the point is, nobody from the government is forcing a consenting adult to buy food. 

And they also aren’t currently requiring you to have health insurance. 
 

But they are by law requiring hospitals to treat anyone regardless of their ability to pay. 
 

I know it’s not what you want to hear but there’s only one solution to this problem. 

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8 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

And they also aren’t currently requiring you to have health insurance. 
 

But they are by law requiring hospitals to treat anyone regardless of their ability to pay. 
 

I know it’s not what you want to hear but there’s only one solution to this problem. 

Actually the ACA did require you to be insured or be fined(that penalty was later repealed I believe)

Healthcare is an interesting subject, as someone involved in healthcare, I see being able to see a doctor is a human right and see the value of "socialized medicine".

On the other hand, from a financial and ethical standpoint, I see major challenges when the state is in charge of your plan.(dictating what care you can and cannot receive, mandating one treatment over another, barring individuals from public places if they aren't in compliance etc)

As it stands, we have the worst possible system, we aren't fully free market and we aren't fully socialized. I think a commitment in either direction would be a major improvement over what we currently have.

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42 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

Hey look, Oxbow crapped on another thread with politics.

Talking out of your rear again.....because it's almost all political at this point.  Don't be a hypocrite and try to make it sound otherwise.  At least Oxbow helps put the Covid, and in this case the double standards that exist when it comes to media reporting crime, into perspective for people like yourself that aren't equipped to do so.

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1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said:

Funny how I'm singled out for this use of Trumptard. 

Hmmm.. 

I guess "libtard" is just fine with you.  Never saw a complaint about that. 

Selective in your outrage, aren't you?  Well, that is the Trumptard way. 

Lol. 

 

Actually most people have an issue with using the word "retard" or any abbreviated form of it (and have for the last 30+ years).  That goes for many people on the right and left.  It is just as offensive to someone that is developmentally challenged (and their parents) as a racial slur is.  Try to show a little more maturity in your conversation.

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15 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

did it occur to you that people crossing illegally decided to bring "family members" with to keep the feds from arresting them?  

libtards don't think before they post

 

2 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Actually most people have an issue with using the word "retard" or any abbreviated form of it (and have for the last 30+ years).  That goes for many people on the right and left.  It is just as offensive to someone that is developmentally challenged (and their parents) as a racial slur is.  Try to show a little more maturity in your conversation.

I believe that Hayduke started with that language in response to the quoted post and others.  Now, SIOUXFAN97 does seem to be about 10 years old in intellect, so it isn’t necessarily a smart move to craft responses to the dregs of society.

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Just now, wxman91 said:

 

I believe that Hayduke started with that language in response to the quoted post and others.  Now, SIOUXFAN97 does seem to be about 10 years old in intellect, so it isn’t necessarily a smart move to craft responses to the dregs of society.

A quick search uncovers a number of posters in this thread using the word "libtard" over the years and unchallenged. Hmm.

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7 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

A quick search uncovers a number of posters in this thread using the word "libtard" over the years and unchallenged. Hmm.

This thread hasn't been around for years.....only seems like it.  Name-calling is a good way to instantly discredit any point you may have....both sides.  In my opinion one side is more prone to defaulting to the practice than the other, but that's probably besides the point.  When I see someone use the word "libtard" I just roll my eyes because it just reinforces the stereotype of the right and /or Trump supporters that the media so desperately wants you to believe applies to everyone in those categories. 

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Through all of the political discussions I've had on this board and in my personal life, the one thing that comes through always is how different we are in different areas of the country. 

For me, that always highlights the need for the federal government to continue to reduce in power and to give more choice to the individual states.

Does it surprise anyone that someone who lives in Manhattan or Downtown San Francisco would be for gun control, while a person living in rural North Dakota would want to have access to weapons? And both of them are probably correct in their thinking as it pertains to their personal situation.

Different areas require different lifestyles and have different needs from their local and federal government.

I often wonder if the United States will at some point become more similar to Europe with the states becoming separate countries, with some sort of United Nations-esque agreements. Seems like we might be headed that direction.

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16 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

This thread hasn't been around for years.....only seems like it.  Name-calling is a good way to instantly discredit any point you may have....both sides.  In my opinion one side is more prone to defaulting to the practice than the other, but that's probably besides the point.  When I see someone use the word "libtard" I just roll my eyes because it just reinforces the stereotype of the right and /or Trump supporters that the media so desperately wants you to believe applies to everyone in those categories. 

Much of the use of the word was in this thread but its been used in other threads as well. Until now, it was unchallenged. 

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12 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Through all of the political discussions I've had on this board and in my personal life, the one thing that comes through always is how different we are in different areas of the country. 

For me, that always highlights the need for the federal government to continue to reduce in power and to give more choice to the individual states.

Does it surprise anyone that someone who lives in Manhattan or Downtown San Francisco would be for gun control, while a person living in rural North Dakota would want to have access to weapons? And both of them are probably correct in their thinking as it pertains to their personal situation.

Different areas require different lifestyles and have different needs from their local and federal government.

I often wonder if the United States will at some point become more similar to Europe with the states becoming separate countries, with some sort of United Nations-esque agreements. Seems like we might be headed that direction.

I think you’re right at some point we might see something like this emerge again. 
 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-split-three-states-20180612-story.html

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42 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

A quick search uncovers a number of posters in this thread using the word "libtard" over the years and unchallenged. Hmm.

You are correct. I just started noticing it when the Duke was consistently using it.  I hate it when that word is used.  

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14 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Fortunately, this demographic of America is slowly disappearing.  They’ve mobilized because they see the writing on the wall.  Their vision of America dying.  This country will be culturally, racially and politically flipped upside down in 25 years.  

Classically polarizing statement.

My non-white business associate is almost gleeful about the projected disappearance of white people. I’m socially liberal so I guess he thought it was acceptable to say it out loud. 

Tell someone you want their racIal demographic to “disappear’”, you create a voting block, then call them racist. 

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45 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

A quick search uncovers a number of posters in this thread using the word "libtard" over the years and unchallenged. Hmm.

It is faux outrage.   

Those Trumptards sure enjoy hypocrisy. 

Lol

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1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said:

It is faux outrage.   

Those Trumptards sure enjoy hypocrisy. 

Lol

Dude, what is your problem?  This thread finally broke me after 344 pages.  

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2 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

It is faux outrage.   

Those Trumptards sure enjoy hypocrisy. 

Lol

Hypocrisy isn’t exclusive to either side of the aisle.

Look no further than Antifa being named anti-fascism while beating people that disagree with them.

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