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32 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Serious answer. I've been very aware of the risks prior to March as I have a couple immunocompromised individuals in my family. Now that our country is losing roughly 1,000 lives/day to a novel virus that we have no idea of long term side effects, sure my concern has grown. 

"Long term side effects" is the new catch phrase.  How do they know this already?  Wouldn't it be short-ter side effects that could develop into long-term?

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2 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

I see.  

 

So, non citizens, despite any evidence at all except for Trump's blathering, are voting in numbers high enough to elect Democrats to office?

Yeah, you're in a cult dude. Enjoy your fantasy world.

I prefer living as a citizen in the real world.

 

The irony of saying you live in the real world when what he is describing is exactly what is happening in reality is hilarious.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/mar/8/house-votes-favor-illegal-immigrant-voting/

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8 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Now we are drilling down to the problem.  So what you are saying is that in order for YOU to feel safe, you expect product A.  If YOU can't get product A, everyone else should have to acquiesce to your fears whether your fears are justified or not, even if they don't share the same fears/beliefs?

Remind me.......which side of the masks vs no masks are the selfish ones?

Oh you got me I’m selfish. Just like every hospital system out there too? 

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Just now, Redneksioux said:

Oh you got me I’m selfish. Just like every hospital system out there too? 

 

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Wonder what everyone is waiting for? More tests, test rates to fall, deaths continue to fall, economy to drop for the democrats? Sales surge of masks etc for China? 

Someone tell me what will be different today (checks calendar, July 17) than a month or 2 months from now. I’ll wait. If you say more people wearing masks to flatten the curve again, well, no sh^t. 

This is the biggest hoax/scam in our lives. 

If masks worked then why aren’t small businesses opened? If masked don’t work, why were big box retailers at first allowed to be open for business?

Again, this virus is a mystery. So advanced, it knows who can/can’t be open. Knows one should social distance for 6 ft. Knows that one should quarantine for ~ 2 weeks (no science behind this) if one gets it. I could go on....

No surprise after the 4th of July, you started to see liberal universities cancel fall or fall/winter sports. Supporting that narrative agenda. You don’t say?

Fear, we’re all doomed, we’re gonna die  

 

 

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1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said:

 

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So what happens if next time around the mandate is something you disagree with, will you blindly comply?

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5 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Oh you got me I’m selfish. Just like every hospital system out there too? 

Yes you are.  I think we had a break through today.  

The same hospital systems that allegedly were so full that Navy medical ships were needed......stadiums like the Fargodome were getting equipped with beds.....and campus dorms were considered being used as makeshift hospitals?  Those same hospital systems?  I never heard what came of all of that, did you?

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19 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Of course we have people refusing, because they have been around long enough to see how our government works. Always incrementally, always.

(insert boiling frog analogy here)

You never answered my question, if we had 100% compliance to masks, do you actually think our government would open everything up?

I don’t know if they’d open everything up but I’d be ok with it, as long as known infections were isolated and social distancing was still in place. I don’t make the rules though, at this point we can only control our own.

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14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

"Long term side effects" is the new catch phrase.  How do they know this already?  Wouldn't it be short-ter side effects that could develop into long-term?

That’s the key, we don’t know. But many are ready to just go off the limited info they know or think they know.

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Just now, Redneksioux said:

I don’t know if they’d open everything up but I’d be ok with it, as long as known infections were isolated and social distancing was still in place. I don’t make the rules though, at this point we can only control our own.

The fact that you don't know if they would or not shows your inherent distrust in their decision making, yet you seem to blindly follow them.

 They have been deceptive, inaccurate and illogical at best and outright lying at worst since the beginning. 

Do you think that this being an election year has anything to do with their decisions regarding covid?

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1 minute ago, Redneksioux said:

That’s the key, we don’t know. But many are ready to just go off the limited info they know or think they know.

We don't know the long term effects of a million behaviors people do every day. It's called life, we used to be able to live it in this country.

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6 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Yes you are.  I think we had a break through today.  

The same hospital systems that allegedly were so full that Navy medical ships were needed......stadiums like the Fargodome were getting equipped with beds.....and campus dorms were considered being used as makeshift hospitals?  Those same hospital systems?  I never heard what came of all of that, did you?

Is altru selfish for requiring all employees, patients, and visitors to wear masks? Sanford? Mayo? 
 

Sorry bro but the selfish are the ones who claim it’s their civil liberty to be in public with no mask. It’s a form of entitlement and privilege, you should understand that right? 

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2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

The fact that you don't know if they would or not shows your inherent distrust in their decision making, yet you seem to blindly follow them.

 They have been deceptive, inaccurate and illogical at best and outright lying at worst since the beginning. 

Do you think that this being an election year has anything to do with their decisions regarding covid?

Of course they’ve been deceptive. I’m not blindly following anyone. You may see the mask wearers as sheep, I guess that’s your opinion. While I would consider an anti-masker one of trump’s sheep. 

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4 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Is altru selfish for requiring all employees, patients, and visitors to wear masks? Sanford? Mayo? 
 

Sorry bro but the selfish are the ones who claim it’s their civil liberty to be in public with no mask. It’s a form of entitlement and privilege, you should understand that right? 

Hospitals and long term care facilities are a different deal.....because many of the people there aren't able to protect/take precautions themselves.  If they were fully able to care for themselves and/or make their own decisions by definition they wouldn't be in either of those places. 

Try again.  

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6 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

That’s the key, we don’t know. But many are ready to just go off the limited info they know or think they know.

Well we do know 40% will have no issues moving forward.

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28 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Oh you got me I’m selfish. Just like every hospital system out there too? 

That's rich considering  I have not seen one hospital or any healthcare providers mandate that their providing ongoing medical care or going into work to do their jobs be linked to the funding of BLM or defunding of the police.

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11 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

That’s the key, we don’t know. But many are ready to just go off the limited info they know or think they know.

So you want to make policy based on an unknown, whereas I would suggest keeping the status quo, which is based on the known.  

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8 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Of course they’ve been deceptive. I’m not blindly following anyone. You may see the mask wearers as sheep, I guess that’s your opinion. While I would consider an anti-masker one of trump’s sheep. 

I don't see anyone as a sheep. I wear a mask in public and at work, that's my choice.

I have the ability to defend someone's rights without having to subscribe to that behavior personally. I found that's unfortunately an incredibly rare thing in the US these days.

I defend their rights on things that I don't do in the hopes that as a society we can respect each other's freedoms without having a personally stake in the outcomes.

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"but what about unknown long-term issues that MAY arise".

my gawd we suck as a country right now.... 

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13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Well we do know 40% will have no issues moving forward.

We do? Or we just know there’s no immediate side effects for 40% moving forward?

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9 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

So you want to make policy based on an unknown, whereas I would suggest keeping the status quo, which is based on the known.  

Never said that but the governor in Georgia recently has done so and Betsy devos is also suggesting to do so. 

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5 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

We do? Or we just know there’s no immediate side effects for 40% moving forward?

90+% of the population is a carrier of the herpes versus too. 

What side effects are you looking for in a completely asymptomatic individual??? 

Asymptomatic....Google it.

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17 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Hospitals and long term care facilities are a different deal.....because many of the people there aren't able to protect/take precautions themselves.  If they were fully able to care for themselves and/or make their own decisions by definition they wouldn't be in either of those places. 

Try again.  

One could argue that those going into public or to gatherings without a mask are also not capable of taking care of themselves or others. 
 

 

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