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IIRC ND's total positive rate is slightly  above 3%. 

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1 hour ago, homer said:

 

51 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

If it wasn't obvious before recently, it certainly has become crystal clear that the only goal of the media is to confuse people.

Masks are good......................masks make it worse.

Herd immunity is important so let people get Covid and contribute to the herd immunity.........Herd immunity is only achievable with a vaccine.

Young people aren't at risk..................but we have to keep the schools closed.

Covid doesn't live on surfaces...................but we must incessantly clean everything to keep people safe.

Asymptomatic carriers are the real threat....................actually your exceedingly unlikely to transmit the disease when asymptomatic.

This list could be endless, its maddening.

#trustthescience

#believetheexperts

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Covid will always be a part of life going forward in one shape or form. With the understanding that not everyone agrees, but if you look at how the increase in Covid death almost perfectly reflects the decrease in flu deaths, the way the CDC is counting Covid makes it look more pervasive than I believe it is. Why do they have to shove a q-tip into your brain through the back of your nose (I know I am exaggerating) when it is supposed to be so easily transmitted. Here is my political statement and then I will go into the penalty box...

Will Covid (as a news item) go away November 4th?

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The hospitalization data is striking and you can see a clear bottoming and deaths have started to tick back up.

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12 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

The hospitalization data is striking and you can see a clear bottoming and deaths have started to tick back up.

Hmmm.  So, what you are saying is that the uptick in cases will ultimately result in an uptick in deaths.  

So, these people don't just die right away?  They might be sick for awhile and then die?

That makes it soooooo inconvenient for those trying to spin a narrative saying that deaths are going down.  Darn you and your facts!  

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Maybe this room should be labeled The Fight Room, and have a condition that if you post here, you are forbidden to post in other threads on the site for 24 hrs.  Just trying to think ahead and save the website.

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8 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Hmmm.  So, what you are saying is that the uptick in cases will ultimately result in an uptick in deaths.  

So, these people don't just die right away?  They might be sick for awhile and then die?

That makes it soooooo inconvenient for those trying to spin a narrative saying that deaths are going down.  Darn you and your facts!  

Deaths were going down.  Look at the chart.  Now they suddenly went up and you act like you were right the entire time.  

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1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

If it wasn't obvious before recently, it certainly has become crystal clear that the only goal of the media is to confuse people.

Masks are good......................masks make it worse.

Herd immunity is important so let people get Covid and contribute to the herd immunity.........Herd immunity is only achievable with a vaccine.

Young people aren't at risk..................but we have to keep the schools closed.

Covid doesn't live on surfaces...................but we must incessantly clean everything to keep people safe.

Asymptomatic carriers are the real threat....................actually your exceedingly unlikely to transmit the disease when asymptomatic.

This list could be endless, its maddening.

 

2 hours ago, homer said:

 

1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

 

#trustthescience

#believetheexperts

Those two stories don’t contradict each other in any way.  Two different studies, vastly different methods and geographic areas.  My takeaway is that even though NYC was hit very hard, only 20-25% have the antibodies and we don’t even know if that is good enough to ward off COVID-19 or its mutations.

 

You do realize what the “novel” part of the coronavirus name means, right?  New.  And with any new disease there are going to be a lot of studies, and yes, some are going to contradict each other.  That is how science works.  Eventually you get to a place of better understanding and a set of best recommendations.  Until then, the conservative path of caution should be the one taken.

 

I’ve said before in this thread, I will be sending my daughter to school later this summer because COVID-19 doesn’t appear to be a danger to children and distance learning for early elementary kids is a cluster.  But if new facts come to light I will have no hesitation in pulling her out.

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Just now, UND1983 said:

Deaths were going down.  Look at the chart.  Now they suddenly went up and you act like you were right the entire time.  

It was highly predictable that they would go back up based on the hospitalization data.  That poster was correct the whole time.

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Just now, wxman91 said:

It was highly predictable that they would go back up based on the hospitalization data.  That poster was correct the whole time.

Would the percentage of deaths vs cases still be similar?

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1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

Would the percentage of deaths vs cases still be similar?

No, cases won’t have the same correlation due to testing rates and self selection bias of those getting tested.  However, it appears that they can be used at a bulk level.

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13 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Deaths were going down.  Look at the chart.  Now they suddenly went up and you act like you were right the entire time.  

Oh, did I ruin your happy little place? 

So sorry....

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On 7/8/2020 at 3:41 PM, Bison Dan said:

70% of black children have no fathers, that can be a large reason.  Also "I'm a victim mentality is another one".  If this is such racist country how come asian citizens have little to no problems? 

boom mike drop...also native born africans that come to american make more than native born whites in america....the difference?  the mom and dad in africa don't pound into the kids head about the white boogeyman...they say go and enjoy the freeest country in the world and no one can stop you.

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Weekly deaths in the US that were Covid related and presumed Covid related peaked the week ending on April 18 at 16887 deaths. It has declined each and every week thereafter with 230 deaths reported the week ending July 4.

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11 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

boom mike drop...also native born africans that come to american make more than native born whites in america....the difference?  the mom and dad in africa don't pound into the kids head about the white boogeyman...they say go and enjoy the freeest country in the world and no one can stop you.

Yeah.  Good try, but the reason is that they come highly educated usually with a job to get that visa.

 https://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html

So, that false narrative didnt work.  Lol

 

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5 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Yeah.  Good try, but the reason is that they come highly educated usually with a job to get that visa.

 https://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html

So, that false narrative didnt work.  Lol

 

Actually it seems you’ve missed the point.

You have argued that it is the color of their skin that holds them back in our society, the fact that people with the same skin color coming from different circumstances succeed at a high level in our country shows its more about background(money, parents etc) than it is their skin color. Which is what I’ve been saying is the real issue.

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1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

Actually it seems you’ve missed the point.

You have argued that it is their black skin that holds them back in our society, the fact that people with black skin coming from different circumstances succeed at a high level in our country shows its more about background(money, parents etc) than it is their skin color. Which is what I’ve been saying is the real issue.

And...

It's because they come from a society WITHOUT systemic racism holding them back.  They come with an education and a job in hand.  They start out on 3rd base. 

It shouldn't be about the color of their skin.  And, yes, socioeconomic factors do hold minorities back in our country.  But, systemic racism has existed to help with that formula that has held them back. 

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19 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Weekly deaths in the US that were Covid related and presumed Covid related peaked the week ending on April 18 at 16887 deaths. It has declined each and every week thereafter with 230 deaths reported the week ending July 4.

No

*Data during recent weeks are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes.

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Just now, Hayduke1 said:

And...

It's because they come from a society WITHOUT systemic racism holding them back.  They come with an education and a job in hand.  They start out on 3rd base. 

It shouldn't be about the color of their skin.  And, yes, socioeconomic factors do hold minorities back in our country.  But, systemic racism has existed to help with that formula that has held them back. 

And what law is currently on the books that is inherently racist? We have massive sins in the past, no argument from me, but what currently is holding a person back specifically because of their skin color?

I have argued since the beginning that it is socioeconomic factors and parental guidance that causes failure in our country, not the color of a persons skin. Which is why people of all colors who are poor and grow up in single family homes struggle to change their destiny for the better. It isn’t a black or white problem, it’s a money and crap circumstances problem.

Now, it can be argued that, as a general rule, those sins of the past have put African Americans as a whole more likely to find themselves in poor circumstances than fine. But that doesn’t implicate our current society as systemically racist, IMO.

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The consensus on this board seems to be that there might have been racism in the past, but that’s been solved and any problems faced by Black Americans now is completely due to their terrible culture and Democrats giving them easy livin’ on rural America’s dime.

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15 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

And...

It's because they come from a society WITHOUT systemic racism holding them back.  They come with an education and a job in hand.  They start out on 3rd base. 

It shouldn't be about the color of their skin.  And, yes, socioeconomic factors do hold minorities back in our country.  But, systemic racism has existed to help with that formula that has held them back. 

 Check salary comparisons between black and white women   

 

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56 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

 

 

Those two stories don’t contradict each other in any way.  Two different studies, vastly different methods and geographic areas.  My takeaway is that even though NYC was hit very hard, only 20-25% have the antibodies and we don’t even know if that is good enough to ward off COVID-19 or its mutations.

 

You do realize what the “novel” part of the coronavirus name means, right?  New.  And with any new disease there are going to be a lot of studies, and yes, some are going to contradict each other.  That is how science works.  Eventually you get to a place of better understanding and a set of best recommendations.  Until then, the conservative path of caution should be the one taken.

 

I’ve said before in this thread, I will be sending my daughter to school later this summer because COVID-19 doesn’t appear to be a danger to children and distance learning for early elementary kids is a cluster.  But if new facts come to light I will have no hesitation in pulling her out.

The entire last few paragraphs on the story today from “experts” have to do with applying herd immunity and people who have not yet got the virus.  

What does geographic area have to do with the comparison and discussion on herd immunity from experts? 

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10 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

The consensus on this board seems to be that there might have been racism in the past, but that’s been solved and any problems faced by Black Americans now is completely due to their terrible culture and Democrats giving them easy livin’ on rural America’s dime.

It’s important to figure out what the root of the problem is if you’re going to find a solution. 
 

What I’m saying, is the racist policies of the past have put minorities, specifically African Americans, at a financial disadvantage.(redlining, Jim Crow, war on drugs etc) Those were racist policies, no argument from me. Those racist policies led to a lack of wealth creation as a general rule. Lack of wealth, has lead to many of the current problems that are plaguing the African American community. We are in complete agreement on how this all happened. What I am saying, is that as far as I know, there is nothing currently holding back a American born African American from succeeding financially. So instead of being fed the narrative that they will never succeed because white people are holding them back, I advocate for removing that narrative, which is pushed by the democrats and just allowing them to build their wealth.

I believe that is the core of the issue.

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12 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

No

*Data during recent weeks are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes.

So the roughly 47% decrease in deaths from the week ending April 18 (16887) to the week ending May 16 (8901) is inaccurate too?

What lag time is going to fit your narrative?  May 16 was 7+ weeks ago.

 

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3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

So the roughly 47% decrease in deaths from the week ending April 18 (16887) to the week ending May 16 (8901) is inaccurate too?

What lag time is going to fit your narrative?  May 16 was 7+ weeks ago.

 

No, there was a huge decrease in deaths.  But not anywhere near 230.  That is a misleading, inaccurate number.

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