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11 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Break down each of the articles for us.

On a differnt site.

While underwater.

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Listing copious mainstream media "articles" from totally biased completely anti-Trump sources does not influence my thoughts on the accuracy of your claims about the President or the responses to this virus.

Sorry, but the Pravda-like messages just are not believable.

So, how about suggesting ways to make things a better world on your idea's merits, not on how much you can accuse Trump or how well you can tear him or anyone else down?

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10 hours ago, gfNDfan said:

Reeedin' long artickles made Trump voters heds hurt!   They like pitchers, like in comic books and don't want to think about them facts, nor syence nor other things other than - OMG he hugged the FLAG!!!   HE"S A REEEL PATRIOT!     I"m going to cry he luves this country SO MUCH he's going to let 250,000 people die and act like it never even happened AKA a media HOAX!

PLEASE!!   HD is right.  (Sorry he actually gave you links to follow and read - I know that's hard idiots)   Trump is a f*cking CARNY and he thinks everyone in the US is a rube walking down the midway and he's trying to prove he's KING of the Carnival in some personal, "it's ALL about ME (AND my re-election!)" pseudo-TV Reality show. 

No - the situation we're in is the virus is exploding across parts the US considered low-risk.  Have to re-open right?  Why isn't Trump "stomping out the fires" like he promised?   Because if you close your eyes while your house is on fire it isn't really on fire anymore!  Or at least he thinks!  Lives are being lost every day while you fiddle Nero and it's going to get FAR worse before it gets better.   DO SOMETHING instead of pretending it's not a problem.   And if you won't - go to hell you self absorbed POS! 

WORD!

 


 

 

Crazy to think that Trump had the power to force all those people to go out and get in contact with one another.  

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10 hours ago, gfNDfan said:

Reeedin' long artickles made Trump voters heds hurt!   They like pitchers, like in comic books and don't want to think about them facts, nor syence nor other things other than - OMG he hugged the FLAG!!!   HE"S A REEEL PATRIOT!     I"m going to cry he luves this country SO MUCH he's going to let 250,000 people die and act like it never even happened AKA a media HOAX!

PLEASE!!   HD is right.  (Sorry he actually gave you links to follow and read - I know that's hard idiots)   Trump is a f*cking CARNY and he thinks everyone in the US is a rube walking down the midway and he's trying to prove he's KING of the Carnival in some personal, "it's ALL about ME (AND my re-election!)" pseudo-TV Reality show. 

No - the situation we're in is the virus is exploding across parts the US considered low-risk.  Have to re-open right?  Why isn't Trump "stomping out the fires" like he promised?   Because if you close your eyes while your house is on fire it isn't really on fire anymore!  Or at least he thinks!  Lives are being lost every day while you fiddle Nero and it's going to get FAR worse before it gets better.   DO SOMETHING instead of pretending it's not a problem.   And if you won't - go to hell you self absorbed POS! 

WORD!

 


 

 

Didn't see you railing on the governors of states where the riots were happening to take the situation under control because the lack of social distancing.  Oh, and the way you end your post is no better than Trump's twitter rants -- even worse. 

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52 minutes ago, LuvHockey said:

Listing copious mainstream media "articles" from totally biased completely anti-Trump sources does not influence my thoughts on the accuracy of your claims about the President or the responses to this virus.

Sorry, but the Pravda-like messages just are not believable.

So, how about suggesting ways to make things a better world on your idea's merits, not on how much you can accuse Trump or how well you can tear him or anyone else down?

I see. 

So, by denying the authenticity of reliable media sources you feel entitled to keep your head buried either in the sand or in an orifice conveniently located about three feet away.

Well, good luck with that.  

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Since we're in the middle of a global medical crises, I found this link in Hayduke1's list to be most alarming.  No bias or spin here--Trump's own words.  Good grief.

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55 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

I see. 

So, by denying the authenticity of reliable media sources you feel entitled to keep your head buried either in the sand or in an orifice conveniently located about three feet away.

Well, good luck with that.  

You lost most everyone at reliable.

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9 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

You lost most everyone at reliable.

Well, from what I've been reading here, it really is not much of a loss.  Although "everyone" is really code for a minority of people who have bought Trump's bizarre rhetoric.  

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2 hours ago, LuvHockey said:

Listing copious mainstream media "articles" from totally biased completely anti-Trump sources does not influence my thoughts on the accuracy of your claims about the President or the responses to this virus.

Sorry, but the Pravda-like messages just are not believable.

So, how about suggesting ways to make things a better world on your idea's merits, not on how much you can accuse Trump or how well you can tear him or anyone else down?

 

You realize this is option #1 in Trumps playbook, right?   Never in the history of our country has a President ridiculed people like Trump has.  

OK I get it....people are attracted to the fight in him, especially when it's aimed at the 'lib-tards'.   He’s the perfect showman who gives his supporters the performance they want in today's reality TV world mentality.  But underneath all the bluster there's very little content.  Sure, he can ride that wave when things are going well.  But in difficult times such as these his incompetence is glaring.  The act doesn't work.            

I mean look at that recent Hannity interview.  Hannity lobbed softball questions about his plans for the country moving forward.  Trump had no clue how to answer.  He spent the entire interview ripping other people, praising himself, and saying "don’t blame me" for the current situation we're in.    When in Tulsa instead of addressing how he can better people's lives he spent 90% of his speech airing personal grievances, even to the extent of showing his cult followers he could properly drink a glass of water and walk down a ramp.   

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Goon said:
Interesting. 

 

So basically we're back to the virus being about as deadly as the flu.  IMO, the only numbers that count are hospitalizations and deaths.  The more positive tests without health issues the better because that simply means the virus is not as deadly.  That's a good thing, people.  I hope those lines tracking positive cases and deaths continue to diverge at a rapid rate.

Set the COVID pandemic aside, what happened the last two nights in NYC was a sh*tshow embarrassment (pretty much the entire last month+ has been a circus).  The F-ing looney bin whacks are taking over the country and the Democrat run city governments are doing nothing to restore order.  In fact, they are appeasing the mob by defunding police departments and slashing budgets.  It is Democrats doing this and Democrat "leaders" like AOC are calling for more cuts to the PD.  Normal people are watching this circus and will in no way vote for the Democrats even though many of us believe Trump is an embarrassment.  You won't see us put up Trump yard signs or slapping on bumper stickers because we don't want to have our property vandalized.  We won't answer a poll saying we'll vote for Trump because being outed as a Trump voter is just not worth the harassment.  What will happen is like what happened last time, we'll go to the polls where it is private, hold our noses, and vote for Trump again because the alternative is a party that has been hijacked by whack jobs.

Hopefully by 2024 we've come to our senses and a new Populist party is formed of people from the center of both the Democratic and Republican parties and we can get rid of the whackos on both fringes.

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3 minutes ago, Yote 53 said:

Normal people are watching this circus and will in no way vote for the Democrats even though many of us believe Trump is an embarrassment. 

Who, pray tell, do you believe are "normal people"?  Seems like more coded language. 

This ought to be interesting... 

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14 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Who, pray tell, do you believe are "normal people"?  Seems like more coded language. 

This ought to be interesting... 

Normal people know if they are normal.  If you ask the question, sorry.

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4 minutes ago, Yote 53 said:

So basically we're back to the virus being about as deadly as the flu.  IMO, the only numbers that count are hospitalizations and deaths.  The more positive tests without health issues the better because that simply means the virus is not as deadly.  That's a good thing, people.  I hope those lines tracking positive cases and deaths continue to diverge at a rapid rate.

Set the COVID pandemic aside, what happened the last two nights in NYC was a sh*tshow embarrassment (pretty much the entire last month+ has been a circus).  The F-ing looney bin whacks are taking over the country and the Democrat run city governments are doing nothing to restore order.  In fact, they are appeasing the mob by defunding police departments and slashing budgets.  It is Democrats doing this and Democrat "leaders" like AOC are calling for more cuts to the PD.  Normal people are watching this circus and will in no way vote for the Democrats even though many of us believe Trump is an embarrassment.  You won't see us put up Trump yard signs or slapping on bumper stickers because we don't want to have our property vandalized.  We won't answer a poll saying we'll vote for Trump because being outed as a Trump voter is just not worth the harassment.  What will happen is like what happened last time, we'll go to the polls where it is private, hold our noses, and vote for Trump again because the alternative is a party that has been hijacked by whack jobs.

Hopefully by 2024 we've come to our senses and a new Populist party is formed of people from the center of both the Democratic and Republican parties and we can get rid of the whackos on both fringes.

 

No chance.  The people of the center (both left and right) will, first and foremost, vote establishment given the option.     It's the populist movement that's responsible for the wacko fringe elements gaining influence.  See Tea Party/Trumpism on the right, Sanders supporters on the left.    

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7 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Who, pray tell, do you believe are "normal people"?  Seems like more coded language. 

This ought to be interesting... 

The "normal" people are the 80-90% of people that think that Trump is a complete buffoon, that Biden is losing his marbles, and that the fringe on the left and right are outright dangerous.  Unfortunately to get the (D) nomination they needed to move so far left it's nuts.  The political consensus is that the absolute best thing Biden can do is hide and say absolutely nothing.  That's pretty telling about the status of the candidates.

Just as with Hillary, it shows how awful the (D) candidate is that the 2016 and 2020 elections are/were even in doubt.  

Any moderate and coherent candidate would be fantastic, too bad their isn't one.

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7 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Normal people know if they are normal.  If you ask the question, sorry.

So, like you? 

That's funny. 

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Maybe it would have been better if Dr Ben Carson was in office- someone with medical knowledge to help direct with the Corona virus, and if he disagreed with someone who has skin pigment it would be because he disagreed-not because he is "racist".   The old catch two birds with one stone adage.

 

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1 hour ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

You realize this is option #1 in Trumps playbook, right?   Never in the history of our country has a President ridiculed people like Trump has.  

OK I get it....people are attracted to the fight in him, especially when it's aimed at the 'lib-tards'.   He’s the perfect showman who gives his supporters the performance they want in today's reality TV world mentality.  But underneath all the bluster there's very little content.  Sure, he can ride that wave when things are going well.  But in difficult times such as these his incompetence is glaring.  The act doesn't work.            

 

 

 

 

My first thought is this is good right?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/01/health/remdesivir-drug-supply-us-intl/index.html

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2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

reliable media sources

LMFAO.

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On 7/1/2020 at 12:18 PM, Goon said:
Interesting. 

 

"New cases" data makes for good headlines. 

The important data is hospitalizations ("Collapse the system!") and deaths. 

The blue line is a good thing under the assumption that once you've had it you can not catch it again; the blue line minus the orange (?) line is the herd immunity growth line. 

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2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

... reliable media sources ... 

Sadly, of late, that gets filed alongside:

jumbo shrimp
civil engineer
paid volunteer

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17 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

Grew the GDP.  Grew employment until Covid and Dem(Marxist) protests.  

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

16 hours ago, homer said:

Average household income was up.  Unemployment was down and if you didn’t make money in the stock market the last 3 years, it’s your own fault.  If you didn’t have a high school degree, there is still plenty of opportunity to make $18-$20 per hour in construction jobs.  Money to be made the last 3 years if you wanted.  Still lots of construction going on right now.  

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

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1 minute ago, wxman91 said:

 

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

I’m fairly confident it would not have happened under Hillary and neither of us has any way to prove otherwise.  I’m only basing that off the further regulation she or the Democratic Party would have put on certain industries that had really strong last 3 years.  They are scared to death of further regulation and further price increases of what they need to do their jobs.  Money they cannot charge more to recoup.  

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28 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

"New cases" data makes for good headlines. 

The important data is hospitalizations ("Collapse the system!") and deaths. 

The blue line is a good thing under the assumption that once you've had it you can not catch it again; the blue line minus the orange (?) line is the herd immunity growth line. 

Can you point us to a reliable media source reporting that once you have coronavirus you cannot become infected again?

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4 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

 

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

To add: how much of that 50% is due to choosing not to invest vs not being able to?  Also, there is a very large percentage of young people who choose not to invest in stocks but choose real estate or precious metals.  Both of those would be doing very well now as well.    

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16 minutes ago, wxman91 said:

 

GDP growth for Trump in calendar 2018 and 2019 (before COVID) was 2.4%.  If you go back to the start of his term, it averages 2.5%

GDP growth in Obama's 2nd term averaged 2.4%.

The Employment-Population Ratio for those aged 25-54 (one of the better indicators) under the last three years of Obama increased from 76.1% to 78.1% (up 2.0%).

The same ratio under three years of Trump has gone up from 78.1% to 80.4% (up 2.3%).

So, a massive tax cut resulted in almost no extra GDP growth and minimal additional job growth.

50% of American households don't have stock holdings.

Household income growth was up from 2.7% in Obama's final year to 3.1% last year.  That is good.  But it is also to be expected in a continued tightening labor market.  You won't want to hear this, but the same thing would have happened under Hillary.

 

The fact is that the economy under Obama matches up well against the economy under Trump, but Trump's bravado was able to shift the conversation to a "booming" economy.  The real "fake news" is that it is his efforts that have resulted in a better economy (at least until COVID), rather than the natural economic cycle after a debt-induced near-depression.

Obama GDP was on a low base.  Trump was on a high base.  Much much different.

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