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3 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

Never defended statues of confederate generals.  My post was about taking the time to contemplate them. 
 

But on the general topic, should every defeated army leader in history With an unsavory affiliation or past be tossed into the garbage can of history?  

No.  Regarding Confederate generals: not tossed into the garbage can of history, but not memorialized on the steps of courthouses and government property either.  Remove them and put them in a museum with the rest of America's unsavory history.

After all, these were the generals who helped lead the secession from the United States of America, breaking up our country with the aim of continuing slavery.

For those supporting the statutes of these traitors, I can't wait to see you also support the statutes memorializing the leaders of CHAZ/CHOP when they attempt to seceded from and break up our country as well.

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1 hour ago, Benny Baker said:

No.  Regarding Confederate generals: not tossed into the garbage can of history, but not memorialized on the steps of courthouses and government property either.  Remove them and put them in a museum with the rest of America's unsavory history.

After all, these were the generals who helped lead the secession from the United States of America, breaking up our country with the aim of continuing slavery.

For those supporting the statutes of these traitors, I can't wait to see you also support the statutes memorializing the leaders of CHAZ/CHOP when they attempt to seceded from and break up our country as well.

What BS. Civil War was not about slavery. It was already dying out due to industrial modernization. 

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34 minutes ago, MrEdway said:

What BS. Civil War was not about slavery. It was already dying out due to industrial modernization. 

What was it about?

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2 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

What was it about?

Lots of people are hard at work rewriting history books and not just on the civil war.

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1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

Fauci now says MLB should not play baseball into October. (That's if there is a season)

Show of hands...... who else is completely tired of this guy?

The Dems are showing their hands a little early. They are openly cheering for a 2nd shutdown just in time for the election. Unfortunately this isn’t good news for collegiate sports in the fall no matter how ridiculous this all seems to be.

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1 hour ago, SiouxCrioux1 said:

The Dems are showing their hands a little early. They are openly cheering for a 2nd shutdown just in time for the election. Unfortunately this isn’t good news for collegiate sports in the fall no matter how ridiculous this all seems to be.

Can we fire the Federal Govt?  Asking for a friend.

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11 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Fauci now says MLB should not play baseball into October. (That's if there is a season)

Show of hands...... who else is completely tired of this guy?

WIth cases bottoming out across the US, probably makes sense to keep ignoring experts in infectious disease and their recommendations, even if they are still continuing to learn about a novel virus that they had zero understanding of just a few months ago.

Encouraging to see how the warm weather in Texas, Arizona and Florida are wiping out the virus though.

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13 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

WIth cases bottoming out across the US, probably makes sense to keep ignoring experts in infectious disease and their recommendations, even if they are still continuing to learn about a novel virus that they had zero understanding of just a few months ago.

Encouraging to see how the warm weather in Texas, Arizona and Florida are wiping out the virus though.

The warm weather thing didn't turn out to be much.  One saving grace is the virus is now being passed around by people who won't die from it, unlike two months ago. But, they can't keep LTC elderly locked up forever.  I know firsthand that it is seriously impairing their health just to be in their room all day.  

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15 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

WIth cases bottoming out across the US, probably makes sense to keep ignoring experts in infectious disease and their recommendations, even if they are still continuing to learn about a novel virus that they had zero understanding of just a few months ago.

Encouraging to see how the warm weather in Texas, Arizona and Florida are wiping out the virus though.

Keep beating that drum in between combing thru death certificates to up the "died of Corona" total.

Look forward to the "experts" recommendations to lockdown the country again in mid October.....but we will let the protesting and rioting go on indefinitely.

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13 hours ago, MrEdway said:

What BS. Civil War was not about slavery. It was already dying out due to industrial modernization. 

13 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

What was it about?

 

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9 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Keep beating that drum in between combing thru death certificates to up the "died of Corona" total.

Look forward to the "experts" recommendations to lockdown the country again in mid October.....but we will let the protesting and rioting go on indefinitely.

I'm more concerned about the spike in hospitalization rates in some of those areas than what the death toll says. I see AZ is finally tightening some restrictions back up, which was always supposed to be the plan when the spikes that were bound to come surfaced. China had ~100 new cases in Bejing, contact traced it and implicated a partial lockdown to slow the spread. The US had 26,000 new cases yesterday and its mostly business as usual. But I guess if we just stop testing, all the cases will go away.

Not sure how Fauci giving his opinion that playing sports in colder weather is higher risk than if the finished earlier is all that controversial but we all need something to be up in arms about I guess.

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13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Keep beating that drum in between combing thru death certificates to up the "died of Corona" total.

Look forward to the "experts" recommendations to lockdown the country again in mid October.....but we will let the protesting and rioting go on indefinitely.

It's absolutely shocking that they let you practice medicine

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Lock down the bars, restaurants, and schools?  OK, lock down the mass, side-by-side protests then too.  

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10 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:

It's absolutely shocking that they let you practice medicine

Sorry if I'm not mindless lemming like you drinking the Kool-Aid at every turn.

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13 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

I'm more concerned about the spike in hospitalization rates in some of those areas than what the death toll says. I see AZ is finally tightening some restrictions back up, which was always supposed to be the plan when the spikes that were bound to come surfaced. China had ~100 new cases in Bejing, contact traced it and implicated a partial lockdown to slow the spread. The US had 26,000 new cases yesterday and its mostly business as usual. But I guess if we just stop testing, all the cases will go away.

Not sure how Fauci giving his opinion that playing sports in colder weather is higher risk than if the finished earlier is all that controversial but we all need something to be up in arms about I guess.

So we've come full circle and the goalpost are now back to the original concern. Got it. Bejing?? When are we drumming up Italy again as well?

You do realize healthcare systems are crumbling due to financial issues. Layoffs, furloughs, pay cuts....and I could go on but let's keep waiting for the surge to overwhelm hospitals.

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40 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

I'm more concerned about the spike in hospitalization rates in some of those areas than what the death toll says. I see AZ is finally tightening some restrictions back up, which was always supposed to be the plan when the spikes that were bound to come surfaced. China had ~100 new cases in Bejing, contact traced it and implicated a partial lockdown to slow the spread. The US had 26,000 new cases yesterday and its mostly business as usual. But I guess if we just stop testing, all the cases will go away.

Not sure how Fauci giving his opinion that playing sports in colder weather is higher risk than if the finished earlier is all that controversial but we all need something to be up in arms about I guess.

Is China still only reporting cases with severe symptoms?  Or all positive tests like the US?

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14 minutes ago, mikejm said:

You must've slept through US history class. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech

thanks for the link, not sure of original posters claims but I had heard somewhere about the reasons for the civil war, and vaguely recall that slavery although a big issue of the day was not the only issue.  Of course history much like many things is and can be very opinionated and in some cases down right false.  I would like to "know" a lot of things, unfortunately I often reach the "whom to believe" stage and skepticism reigns after that point.

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Stephens' speech couldn't be more explicit:
"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson [Davis, CSA president], in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right.

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18 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

What was it about?

What is every war about? Money. International Tariffs to be specific.  You think all these southern white boys went to war to fight for the right for rich plantation owners to keep their slaves?

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32 minutes ago, mikejm said:

Stephens' speech couldn't be more explicit:
"The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson [Davis, CSA president], in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right.

This is what I immediately thought of, too, when I saw the comment earlier.  This speech comes from the former VP of the Confederacy under Jeff Davis and delivered just before the onset of the Civil War. States rights, growing economic disparities between agrarian and manufacturing industries and a brave new world of even more interconnected geopolitical influences also were huge issues at the time (albeit, most of which were also tied to the question of slavery) but to suggest the threat of losing its "peculiar  institution" -- the Culture War of that time -- wasn't the core reason in favor of secession is a hard one to swallow.  Here is the oft quoted line from the speech: "Its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.  

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19 minutes ago, MrEdway said:

What is every war about? Money. International Tariffs to be specific.  You think all these southern white boys went to war to fight for the right for rich plantation owners to keep their slaves?

Most didn't.... the Confederate Army had an extremely high desertion rate which is why it spent most of the war losing battles on it's own territory.  They also had frequent food shortages because southern plantation owners couldn't be persuaded to grow food crops to feed the troops that were leading the war effort instead of cotton and tobacco.

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59 minutes ago, MrEdway said:

What is every war about? Money. International Tariffs to be specific.  You think all these southern white boys went to war to fight for the right for rich plantation owners to keep their slaves?

You're not entirely wrong when you say it was about money.  Nearly 1/2 of the South's wealth consisted of human capital.

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