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1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

On a side note......if Tom Brady is a 8 handicap then I'm a +3.

However see him hole-out on 7 after Barkley was talking smack about his golf game was funny as hell. 

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47 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

If we are going to ask the Covid-19 question on deaths, the question holds here too: From or with? 

UAH men's hockey is a HUGE 'with'.  I think they were probably relieved to have an external source. They would have folded with the wcha exodus anyway.

 

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7 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Before (Fauci):
A mask doesn’t matter.

Now (Fauci):
Wear a mask!

 

Before (CDC):
Highly transmissible on surfaces!

Now (CDC):
Not so transmissible on surfaces. 

 

And we keep going to them for expert advice. 

Finally weathercasters have someone to point at and say, “We’re more accurate than them!” :D 

What are the “Befores” before?  All the information they have gathered since?? This is NEW. They are learning more and more everyday. I think they deserve a break for not being 100% correct immediately but erring on the side of caution. 

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17 minutes ago, George M. Bluth said:

What are the “Befores” before?  All the information they have gathered since?? This is NEW. They are learning more and more everyday. I think they deserve a break for not being 100% correct immediately but erring on the side of caution. 

I think we should let the 37 million people who have lost their jobs decide if the "experts" deserve a break.

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1 hour ago, SiouxBoys said:

I think we should let the 37 million people who have lost their jobs decide if the "experts" deserve a break.

Are you sure you want to ask all 37 million?   I’m not even sure you want to ask half. You might not like the answer

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54 minutes ago, George M. Bluth said:

What are the “Befores” before?  All the information they have gathered since?? This is NEW. They are learning more and more everyday. I think they deserve a break for not being 100% correct immediately but erring on the side of caution. 

Early on, people were panic buying masks and screwing up the PPE supply needed by medical facilities. A message needed to be spread to the masses to ensure that there would be enough masks upfront to ensure medical professionals would have adequate supply. This message was taken of context to mean all masks are absolutely useless. 

The CDC has also been oddly quiet during this pandemic compared to prior pandemics. It is no new fact that a virus spreads faster through the air than through touching surfaces. The CDC explicitly stated their assumptions of this for COVID on their website in March and April. They knew of how long the virus sticks to a surface first, they now have better proof of the odds of transmission and infection from such surfaces. Some outlets paint reporting new information somehow as a misinformation campaign by the CDC.

 

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Piece regarding CDC recommendations for schools. 
Kids and Teachers Are Going to Need Therapy if Schools Follow the CDC's Recommendations for Classrooms

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Wear masks if over the age of two 
Discourage sharing of items or supplies that can’t be easily cleaned between uses 
Clean and disinfect frequently touched surfaces between uses 
Develop a schedule for increased, routine cleaning and disinfection 
All belongings separated into individual cubbies or labeled containers 
Avoid sharing electronic devices, toys, games, or learning aids 
Desks should be 6-feet apart and all facing the same direction 
One child per seat on school buses and skip rows between riders 
Install sneeze guards or partitions where 6-feet-apart won’t work 
One-way routes in hallways 
Tape on sidewalks and walls to ensure kids stay 6 feet apart 
Close shared spaces like cafeterias and playgrounds 
Physical barriers or screens between sinks in bathrooms 
Children either bring their own meals or serve individually plated meals in the classroom 
Kids eat lunch in classrooms 
Virtual events in lieu of field trips 
The same children stay with the same staff all-day 
Avoid switching groups or teachers 
Stagger student arrival and departure times to limit crowds of kids 
Limit non-essential volunteers and visitors 
If possible, daily health and temperature checks

Source from CDC

Glad we homeschool our kids. 

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10 hours ago, George M. Bluth said:

What are the “Befores” before?  All the information they have gathered since?? This is NEW. They are learning more and more everyday. I think they deserve a break for not being 100% correct immediately but erring on the side of caution. 

I get erring on the side of caution, and learning as days go on, but those are complete 180 flips. 

I suspect they were afraid to say “I don’t know” when they didn’t know and just took a SWAG at it.

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2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I get erring on the side of caution, and learning as days go on, but those are complete 180 flips. 

I suspect they were afraid to say “I don’t know” when they didn’t know and just took a SWAG at it.

This is probably pretty accurate.  I wonder what effect the CDC saying "I don't know" in the early days would have had on the stock market, general anxiety, panic buying, etc..  Would everything that happened just have happened earlier?  I'm not saying that to be facetious or contrary; I just think for the CDC to say something like that could have huge implications.  The alternative to admitting uncertainty, as we've seen, is that most people have completely lost any trust in the organization.

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13 hours ago, George M. Bluth said:

What are the “Befores” before?  All the information they have gathered since?? This is NEW. They are learning more and more everyday. I think they deserve a break for not being 100% correct immediately but erring on the side of caution. 

Well, that’s enough for me!  Let’s keep the nation shut down for a full year to “err on the side of caution.”

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3 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

I saw this list....

Most of this list is unrealistic for the reality of school buildings/classroom staffing/classroom sizes/etc. 

 

That might be the idea.

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3 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

I saw this list....

Most of this list is unrealistic for the reality of school buildings/classroom staffing/classroom sizes/etc. 

 

Illogical fits as well.

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3 hours ago, keikla said:

This is probably pretty accurate.  I wonder what effect the CDC saying "I don't know" in the early days would have had on the stock market, general anxiety, panic buying, etc..  Would everything that happened just have happened earlier?  I'm not saying that to be facetious or contrary; I just think for the CDC to say something like that could have huge implications.  The alternative to admitting uncertainty, as we've seen, is that most people have completely lost any trust in the organization.

Being afraid to say “I don’t know” is the curse of the “expert”. 

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17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Being afraid to say “I don’t know” is the curse of the “expert”. 

My point was not that they themselves were afraid but rather the public response in a time of uncertainty when even the "experts" say "I don't know".

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11 minutes ago, keikla said:

My point was not that they themselves were afraid but rather the public response in a time of uncertainty when even the "experts" say "I don't know".

My boss is forever saying “don’t know, don’t guess”.

It only makes things worse. Look at what it has done to our economy. 

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https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-05-24/covid-19-patients-not-infectious-after-11-days-singapore-study

This is one of the first things I've seen about the duration of being contagious once symptomatic. If this is validated, or more studies are able to be done, that would definitely make it easier to know when patients could return to assisted living/ long term care.

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On 5/25/2020 at 9:37 AM, UND1983 said:

Was fascinated by the Forum article about all the small town MN people worried about ND people and their 50+ infections a day coming to their lake community.   

Where's the article about all these MN people coming from a state with 800+ infections a day to shop in Fargo and Grand Forks?  Seems like we should be a hell of alot more we worried about them coming here, if we are going to generalize.  

I believe that was in the herald with the grand forks sales tax receipts down 17%. 

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On 5/25/2020 at 10:12 PM, keikla said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-05-24/covid-19-patients-not-infectious-after-11-days-singapore-study

This is one of the first things I've seen about the duration of being contagious once symptomatic. If this is validated, or more studies are able to be done, that would definitely make it easier to know when patients could return to assisted living/ long term care.

Curious.  If this were to hold true, wouldn't that also mean that it wouldn't be necessarly for someone to be in quarantine for 14 days?  Instead focusing on 11 days?

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4 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Curious.  If this were to hold true, wouldn't that also mean that it wouldn't be necessarly for someone to be in quarantine for 14 days?  Instead focusing on 11 days?

They're throwing the extra 3 days in for FREE!!......

.....if you call now, er test now. 

 

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